Longhorn News/Discussion (Non-Recruiting)

[Huskie1]

You would think negotiations for an early exit would have started by now. There would have been leaks.

There weren’t many leaks when UT and ou jumped shop to the SEC

 

[Baron]

There weren’t many leaks when UT and ou jumped shop to the SEC

Agreed, but that was an outlier. As a matter of fact it was amazing they kept under wraps for as long as they did. It was only when aggy found out that it was leaked.

 

[longhorn_mig]

There were some reports that the holdup is ou’s buyout money. Not sure if that’s true though.

 

[Baron]

I've read that too.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

You would think negotiations for an early exit would have started by now. There would have been leaks.

Negative. When the three parties begin that conversation, it will be started by the Big 12. But it will happen. There are stinks to be raised, so to speak.

 

[dssl]

Negative. When the three parties begin that conversation, it will be started by the Big 12. But it will happen. There are stinks to be raised, so to speak.

Why do you say that? I would think UT & OU would be more motivated for an early exit, so therefore would need to initiate the conversation .

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Why do you say that? I would think UT & OU would be more motivated for an early exit, so therefore would need to initiate the conversation .

If it were up to UT, we'd already paid whatever they want and left for the SEC.

The issue is OU. They can't or won't pay and UT won't pay for them. I suppose that means that whatever discounted agreement we might come up with, OU can't or won't pay it.

There are some things involving the sudden expansion that will eventually give us some leverage. 

 

[Baron]

If it were up to UT, we'd already paid whatever they want and left for the SEC.

The issue is OU. They can't or won't pay and UT won't pay for them. I suppose that means that whatever discounted agreement we might come up with, OU can't or won't pay it.

There are some things involving the sudden expansion that will eventually give us some leverage. 

Honestly and I'll probably get trashed for this, Texas and OU need to back out of the SEC deal. The 14 team Big 12 is legit. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Honestly and I'll probably get trashed for this, Texas and OU need to back out of the SEC deal. The 14 team Big 12 is legit. 

They added no real major power. Cinncinatti was a cinderella story. BYU is consistent but never great. Houston is Houston. Just nothing to really get excited about.

 

[dssl]

Honestly and I'll probably get trashed for this, Texas and OU need to back out of the SEC deal. The 14 team Big 12 is legit. 

Staying out of the SEC was hurting us in recruiting and allowed aggy to catch UT in revenue.  Moving to the SEC will help the Longhorn brand (both in image and revenue),  help in recruiting and give us a much more interesting and compelling schedule. There is zero chance of Texas and 0U reversing course. 

 

[Eastexhorn]

BYU, Houston and Cinncinatti proably beat Texas this year. NIL would take care of recruiting.

Big mistake IMO.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

BYU, Houston and Cinncinatti proably beat Texas this year. NIL would take care of recruiting.

Big mistake IMO.

So we're now qualifying teams based on their ability to beat one of our worst teams in the past 40 years?

No, these are not serious player schools. Those are Mountain West type schools.

 

[Soldierhorn]

Did anybody see the story on CBS Sports about the Big 12 talking to everyone except Texas and OU about a 14 team 2 division conference?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-engaged-in-plans-to-split-into-two-seven-team-divisions-beginning-in-2023-amid-realignment/

This can't end well. I expect the Big 12 to screw Texas and OU in every way they can which will end up in major lawsuits. Where was this pair that Bowlsby is now wielding when the Big 12 needed to expand? This is the desperate and butt hurt Bowlsby....Well Bob your behind wouldn't hurt if hadn't been caught with pants down and your thumb up your ass.

IMO, the Big12 going to 12 or 14 teams was never the challenge if they were going to bring in G5 type teams.  

After losing 3 flagship schools and a large name-brand land grant school (aggy), the B12 NEEDED to bring in P5 type programs to replace what left; that didnt happen.  Deloss was ridiculed for trying to bring Notre Dame into the conference but at least he was trying and had he pulled that off, the B12 probably could have brought in two more P5 programs.  Remember when Deloss went after FSU and to a lesser extent Georgia Tech?  & Clemson when they were down?  THESE are the type of teams the B12 NEEDED to pull into the conference to satisfy the networks in order to keep the revenues on an upward trend.  Where was BeBee? Where has Bowlsby been since?  

IMO, WV was acceptable had there been other P5 programs brought in with them but that didnt happen.  The moment TCU was brought in, I said then that UT/0U threw in the towel and quit trying to do the commish's job. As a package, WV didnt move the needle and TCU was a negative indicator with regards to network revenue attraction. Strategically, adding TCU was ridiculous. The Big12 (and 0U & UT) already overlapped the DFW DMA several times over.  Of the former SWC teams, UH should have been the next school up (IMO, UH should have been added instead of BU but that is a 27 yr argument).

The B12 has had over 10 yrs to improve its network profile and it simply didnt do it.  Ten teams getting paid as if they were the same 12 of over 11 yrs ago is the ONLY thing that has kept the B12 together this long. When the networks refused to renegotiate the current media contracts, IMO, UT & 0U looked at each other and said its time. Something HAD to change before 2025 or every team in the B12 were going to take a serious revenue hit including 0UT (ouUT). Adding G5 schools could always have been done and doing it now (to replace NU,CU,MU,TAMU, 0U, & UT) is an admission that the B12 is not a serious conference any longer

 

[dssl]

When you look at schools that make up a conference there are two ways to look at it. The first is how good are the teams that make up the conference from a competition perspective.  In this regard the expanded BIG12 is compelling and should enable them to continue as a P5 conferences which was the reason for the expansion. 

The other way to look at a conference is how many fans each of the schools can attract which drives TV revenue.  By this measure all of the BIG12 expansion teams with the exception of BYU make the conference worse not better. Obviously for the SEC TX and 0U is a home run and will result in a bigger per team payout.  In the world of highly compensated coaches,  NIL and the transfer portal the schools with more money and viewers are going to have a much bigger advantage then they have had leading up to this point. So yes the expanded BIG12 teams are very competitive at this point in time, but I wouldn't expect that to continue. 

 

[Eastexhorn]

So we're now qualifying teams based on their ability to beat one of our worst teams in the past 40 years?

No, these are not serious player schools. Those are Mountain West type schools.

No I am quaifying teams on thier to beat the worst defensive coached in 40 yeats. I do not prop Texas up by running down other teams.

Texas was great and it pains me to say today they are just asecond team in what you all say is a terrible conference.

They aregoind from  a medium sized frog in  small puddle to atadpole in a pond.

 

[Ntx dog]

No I am quaifying teams on thier to beat the worst defensive coached in 40 yeats. I do not prop Texas up by running down other teams.

Texas was great and it pains me to say today they are just asecond team in what you all say is a terrible conference.

They aregoind from  a medium sized frog in  small puddle to atadpole in a pond.

"Just a second team" ?  You are being generous.

 

[hornsups]

No I am quaifying teams on thier to beat the worst defensive coached in 40 yeats. I do not prop Texas up by running down other teams.

Texas was great and it pains me to say today they are just asecond team in what you all say is a terrible conference.

They aregoind from  a medium sized frog in  small puddle to atadpole in a pond.

So you just admitted the conference is terrible. Why stay in a terrible conference? Maybe think about it this way. Previously, the administration & others making decisions were ok with Texas being a "second team, medium sized frog" because the money was still coming in. It was easy to stay back and let the program roll on cruise control because the money was still gonna come in. CDC & Jay Hartzell are not wanting that anymore. The move to the SEC means everyone has to get behind making the football program as good as possible. If you were paying attention you would notice that the current coaching staff, boosters, & AD all seem to be operating that way. 

WR coach sucking it up? First thing they do is fire him. Now previously we would go get a second tier coach. This time they go get the best guy out there. Transfer portal additions sucked last year. The coaching staff recalibrated & they are bring in top players at positions of need. We didn't utilize NIL that great last season. This winter we saw them mobilize in way that showed what we could do. 

The idea that staying in the Big 12 is a good move for Texas because we may lose some games, that's stupid. Yes Texas will lose games moving to the SEC. But truly, no one knows if it will be a drastic uptick in a typical W-L record in the Big 12. What we do know is the move to the SEC will bring in more money, will increase the footprint in the states we need to recruit to close on top 5 classes annual, will help recruit the state even more, and it will give us a better chance of making NY6 & CFP games in the long run. Realistically there was only two options for Texas if we wanted to be relevant in football 5 years from now. Move to the SEC or move to the Big 10. The Big 10 made the most sense academically but the SEC makes the most sense geographically, financially, & developmentally. 

But let's be honest. Even when we are down, we are not a "medium sized frog" in the Big 12. Texas & ou were always the programs in the conference no matter what. Winning or not, Texas was the premier program in the league. If you cannot admit that or acknowledge that, you show your like of understanding on how things work.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Where did you draw the conclusion that I thought Big 12 is terrible? Said in a conference you all think is terrible.

Money coming in yes it all about money not wins on the field. Losesomegames by joining SEC. Texas is losing games now in what some sayis a terrible conference.    

On the medium sized frog I might have been generous at least for last 10 years.

Beening honest how many times in a row has OU won. How many conference titles we won in how many years 30 20 or so.

How many teams have left Big 12 and won any thing?

I have been a Texas fan for 60+ years lived thru highs and lows but now as some one says we suck till we dont.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Winning or not, Texas is the premier program in the conferebce.

Winning makes the top program. or whykeep score.Or we talking about swimming?

 

[Wayne]

Winning or not, Texas is the premier program in the conferebce.

Winning makes the top program. or whykeep score.Or we talking about swimming?

The conference doesn’t care if you win. It only cares what you bring to the other members. Texas brings eyeballs. We have stunk but the highest rated games have been ou and Longhorn games. We average 2.3M per game. 12th in nation and 2nd in the Big 12. The 3rd place team OkSt averages 1.6M.