Some thoughts following Charlie Strong's Monday presser

[DBut82]

I was watching Undisputed on ESPN. The comments that Shannon Sharpe said was dead on point regards to this situation.

Where can we hear/read those comments?

 

[doc longhorn]

I have hated the fact that these 'leaks' were anonymous as well. It reeks of manipulation. Manipulation of Texas' situation. Manipulation of the reporters by the source(s). Manipulation of us by the source(s) and the reporters. Etc

I believe that the reporters' sources have told them that the decision to fire Charlie has been made. I have no way of knowing if the reporters are in on the manipulation. I do know we all have an agenda.

And from one codger to another, I really did like the point of your original post. I do believe Fenves and Perrin have been doing exactly what they said they were going to do, evaluate Charlie on his performance at the end of the season.

I am just trying to figure out how the manipulation works and who the manipulators are.

I will tell you, and the board, what little inside info I have had.  I am put into the hypocritical position of not being able to divulge the name of my source.  So take this with the advised grain of salt.  Besides, my guy has no direct contact with the coaches or the AD.  But he most certainly does with the rest of the admin.

In addition, what he has said to me is laced with his own viewpoints and is therefore regulated to primarily opinion.  I would say at least 40%.

The support for Strong was overwhelming by all three of the principle actors at UT.  This became the case for the BOR and the BMD's that counted.  They loved him and they desperately wanted him to win.  Firing him would be like firing their own son - that is how much they wanted him to succeed.  The crap at Baylor added even more support for him.

If you read between the lines of my comment you will understand the reluctance of UT just jumping out and firing him.  And this includes any discreet vetting of replacements - including Herman.  Everyone was shocked by the KU loss and put wheels into motion that weren't turning before.

That's pretty much all I should say and it looks cryptic, vague and not news worthy, but there it is.

 

[Embrey]

Somebody insert the "So you're telling me there's a chance" meme from Dumb and Dumber. I can't upload it from my iPad.

 

[shotime73]

Dbut, I found this particular video on YouTube

 

[doc longhorn]

Somebody insert the "So you're telling me there's a chance" photo. I can't upload it from my iPad.

I will say this - and some is public knowledge.  The coach in question has visited Austin numerous times.  sometimes to UT and with Mack and sometimes to just visit the city with his family. (his wife fell in love with Austin).

The assumption of most posters is why would he leave what they perceive as a birds nest on the ground?  That is because their optics are based on their own perceptions.

Coaches are different.  Their egos know no bounds and challenges are a way of life for them.  And they are inherent nomads.

Even Saban considered the opportunity and was wavering.

Money would be important but is not the primary driver.  Hell, they are all multi-millionaires anyway and couldn't spend what the have if they wanted to.

Although, the perks of being the HC at UT are pretty darned shiny.  To wit - a mansion on Lake Travis, a VIP condo on campus, Cars of their choice for the family, memberships to major golf clubs - including VIP passes to The Masters, 2 private airplanes for the convenience of he and his family and, of course an obscene salary that doesn't include investment tips and opportunities provided by some of the wealthiest grads of UT.

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[Embrey]

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Just fishin'

 

[java]

I was out of touch from 12 on, so I had to catch up.  doc, thanks for bringing reason to the analysis.

As one of the olds, I can tell you they fired Mackovic after the season, then several planes started flying, with a search committee,  Everyone thought it would be Barnett, in fact, Barnett was on his way to meet with Texas with his agent, when he was called, told Mack had been offered the job, and asked if he wanted to withdraw his name.  He did.

So, yes, Barnett withdrew his name from consideration, but that was after we offered the job to Mack.  That's the kind of operation UT runs, and I don't care what Herstreit says.  I used to love to listen to him, but he has become a hack.

You can look back through old posts of mine, but I said after OU, that I would love to get Meyer if we could.  I would be happy with Herman, but I would love to have Meyer.  We should offer what it takes, if we can, because he is worth it.

Y'all know how long I was on the Charlie bandwagon.  I love what he stands for.  Unfortunately, something is wrong, and the fit is just wrong.  He hasn't forgotten how to coach.  He has worked unbelievably hard.  I believe that he will be successful elsewhere, but it didn't work here, for some reason, through no fault of his own, and through no fault of The University.

We aren't other programs.  We don't humiliate people and fire them in the middle of the season.  We evaluate at the end of the season.  We always have, and I imagine we always will.  We are big boys, so we deal with situations professionally.  I, like you, would like to know what's happening and I don't.  Therefore, I'm going to keep on keeping on, check in occasionally, and have a nice Thanksgiving.

Happy Thanksgiving, All.

Hook 'em!

 

[Randolph Duke]

I have zero confidence the current power structure can manage the hiring of a new football coach in a professional manner. I am certain this will be a clusterf##k.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

UT would not have and will not fire a HC during the season.  That was never going to happen.

But I can see you are all in on Herman - devil take the hind most.  But considering you think he is most likely to be the next Saban or Meyer, I can see why.  That's quite a stretch, IMO.

And, yes, everyone DID say the same about Strong as they are Herman.  At least those that weren't hungering after Saban and knew anything about him. Besides, I'll ask you - why would Herman's credentials be better than Strong's were?

And how strong would your support be for Herman if you knew there was some interest from Urban Meyer, anyway?  Would you consider that a bird in hand - rather than waiting on Herman to reach Meyer's status?

Or would you still be all in on Herman? 

Besides, I'll ask you - why would Herman's credentials be better than Strong's were?

A simple comparison of their first 2 years as a head coach reveals that Herman's credentials are significantly better than Strong's credentials. Check the records for both in their first 2 years and look at who they beat. 

As far how strong my support would be for Herman if I knew there was some interest from Meyer, all you have to do is read my post a little closer as I answered that in my post.

 

[java]

hi, all.

I'm getting ready to take off for Thanksgiving, after one last md checkup...all is ok, but the follow-up takes up lots of my down time.  Bummer.

Y'all keep up the good work.  I'm taking my hotspot with me, but if it doesn't work, my access will be slow, and at times, unforgiving.

Have a great Thanksgiving each and everyone!

Hook 'em!

 

[texasdalton]

Doc are you saying that there is a coach we are over looking that has visited austin?

Im lost reading through these post

 

[doc longhorn]

Doc are you saying that there is a coach we are over looking that has visited austin?

Im lost reading through these post

I'm just saying that, once upon a time, there was a noted coach that visited Austin, loved everything about it, but Mack was already the coach - so that was that.

Of course things change, but his opinion of Austin and UT

probably remain the same.  So, who knows?

The point being, even though Herman is the coach du jour, this year, there are plenty of fish in the sea we may prefer even more.

 

[dillohorn]

I'm just saying that, once upon a time, there was a noted coach that visited Austin, loved everything about it, but Mack was already the coach - so that was that.

Of course things change, but his opinion of Austin and UT

probably remain the same.  So, who knows?

The point being, even though Herman is the coach du jour, this year, there are plenty of fish in the sea we may prefer even more.

Barry Switzer.

 

[doc longhorn]

Besides, I'll ask you - why would Herman's credentials be better than Strong's were?

A simple comparison of their first 2 years as a head coach reveals that Herman's credentials are significantly better than Strong's credentials. Check the records for both in their first 2 years and look at who they beat. 

As far how strong my support would be for Herman if I knew there was some interest from Meyer, all you have to do is read my post a little closer as I answered that in my post.

I'm not trying to convince you to dislike Herman.  Your mind is made up.

But I could refute your contention by saying Strong had a LOT more experience and his final two years were better than Hermans and against better competition.  In addition, the comparison would be even better if Herman's record could be assessed without Ward.

In fact, that is the word I hear behind the scenes.  Will Herman be just another Strong without Ward?  That is more than just a little concern and a direct result of seeing Strong's failure at UT.

 

[doc longhorn]

I have zero confidence the current power structure can manage the hiring of a new football coach in a professional manner. I am certain this will be a clusterf##k.

What have they done so far to convince you they aren't handling it properly?

And what "professional manner" would be to your liking?

 

[DMAC]

What have the done so far to convince you they aren't handling it properly?

And what "professional manner" would be to your liking?

Fenves flying to Tulsa to help save (approve or whatever) the Gilbert hire was enough for me to doubt Perrin and the dept.

 

[texasdalton]

Chip is reporting that feelers have been sent out to Dabo Sweeney and John Harbaugh and both have shown some initial interest.

So there is a faint glimmer of hope in the black cave of doom. (no pun intended).

 

[DMAC]

Either of those would be good picks

 

[DBut82]

Fenves flying to Tulsa to help save (approve or whatever) the Gilbert hire was enough for me to doubt Perrin and the dept.

Question (and I'm asking because I genuinely don't know): Considering Fenves flew to Tulsa to lock up Gilbert, what possible concessions or promises were made in that meeting; especially as it relates to Charlie job security?  Does anyone know or has anyone heard the discussions that took place in that regard?  I mean, letting the head coach go after one year after flying to Tulsa to secure the OC seems like it would cause some sort of repercussions; possibly financial.  And if the agreement was that Gilbert would be retained regardless, then that effects getting a head coach...UT would be The Dallas Cowboys circa 2006

 

[dillohorn]

I  say there is no way in hell that a respectable school should retain a coach with the 3 year abysmal record that Strong has attained. For the life of me I can't understand what the argument is to keep him. His record should be enough for any fool to understand.