Some thoughts following Charlie Strong's Monday presser

[doc longhorn]

Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

Tell me where the humor is so I can laugh with you.

 

[doc longhorn]

There's some very slight good news to this. It appears (Scout, 247) Chad Morris will be taking the Baylor job, so another team is now out of the picture for Herman. Still though, how can we botch this situation so badly when we aren't even facing off directly with LSU, USC, and Texas A&M? We are the job he wants, and we are the best opening around, assuming Strong is fired. Though that's no guarantee because of the ineptitude of the academic triumvirate at the top. 

The situation is only "botched" and the so called "ineptitude" of the triumvirant is because it doesn't fit your narrative.

This discussion would not exist had some desperate entities (internet and media) not tried to use speculation as facts publicly.

The University of Texas is handling the situation as it should.

The internet is not.  It is feasting on the public outcry for Strong to be fired.  That's all.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

This has been a fascinating read.  There's so many layers to peal back from this onion, some are rotten, some I don't think actually belong to the onion.  This whole fiasco is exhausting.  I just want this to be Saturday so I will know the course of my university's football team; the team that I fell in love with when I watched it for the first time and got to see Earl run all over UH and Bevo too .  All I want is for us to be great again.  I'm no coach or a academic administrator, so I cannot rightfully comment on what is the best course of action.  The only best option I have (maybe we have) is to pray for the best decisions to be made ultimately that gets us back to greatness. 

Earl, with all due respect, you don't have to be a coach or academic administrator to know what the best course of action is. 

 

[Grandpa Zorro]

out in the webisphere:

This article has no merit based on this statement alone:

"and not taking much input from other concerned parties, including those who have an official capacity and responsibility to do so."

Is this saying that there is someone on staff at UT who is more official and responsible for hiring a football coach that McRaven, Fenves, and Perrin?

Really?

 

[doc longhorn]

All Texas had to do was do what needed to be done when it needed to be done.

If they have done that, then I agree that they have not contributed to the s**t show. 

If they have not done that, then they have definitely contributed to the s**t show. 

From where I sit, they have NOT done what needed to be done. But I also don't know that as absolute fact.

I can understand your frustration because UT has not done what you want them to do.  But haven't you learned by now they don't give a crap what you want?

They have said they will evaluate Charlie at the end of the season, in spite of the almost hysterical outcry to fire him now.

Wouldn't you prefer this?  And wouldn't you prefer a measured vetting of a new coach?  Rather than a knee jerk hiring for the coach du jour?  Sure, I appreciate what Herman has done at UH.  But didn't everyone say the same about Strong at Louisville?

My preference is for my beloved school to make a winning, experienced coach turn us down.  A coach with national scalps on the wall.  A coach that no one believes would be interested in the most profitable school in the land.  A college blue blood, nestled in one of the most attractive cities in the country, in the #1 hotbed of recruiting - over every school in the state.  A school with its own network for the parents to watch. A school with the best facilities money can buy.  A school just waiting for the first egotistical coach that thinks he can build another Bama dynasty here?

Yeah, buddy, lets be just like the school that Herman coaches for and hire the first hopeful we think just might be the next DKR.  This is what schools like tOSU, Michigan and UT (oops, sorry - not us) do.

Make the Meyers, Sabans, and Harbaughs turn us down.  Oh, that's right, one already has.  One that damn near came here, but for Powers and Dodds.

 

[doc longhorn]

Do you honestly believe that there are not "sources" within the Texas administration, with an agenda, feeding information to certain people?

Lets turn this around.  Do you believe that Fenves, Perrin and Strong have been lying to us?

 

[doc longhorn]

To be clear, I think Charlie needs to go.  It could not be more obvious that he is over matched at UT - and the Big 12.

But I am vehemently against a knee jerk reaction and hiring Herman.  Sure, he may still be who UT hires, and I'm fine with that.  As long as other potential candidates are looked at as well.

I don't believe for a moment that UT was given a time ultimatum by Herman's group.  If he is that stupid, I wouldn't want him as my coach anyway.

 

[doc longhorn]

This article has no merit based on this statement alone:

"and not taking much input from other concerned parties, including those who have an official capacity and responsibility to do so."

Is this saying that there is someone on staff at UT who is more official and responsible for hiring a football coach that McRaven, Fenves, and Perrin?

Really?

Ha, ha!  You are one of the observant few that got this.

Bravo!

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I can understand your frustration because UT has not done what you want them to do.  But haven't you learned by now they don't give a crap what you want?

They have said they will evaluate Charlie at the end of the season, in spite of the almost hysterical outcry to fire him now.

Wouldn't you prefer this?  And wouldn't you prefer a measured vetting of a new coach?  Rather than a knee jerk hiring for the coach du jour?  Sure, I appreciate what Herman has done at UH.  But didn't everyone say the same about Strong at Louisville?

My preference is for my beloved school to make a winning, experienced coach turn us down.  A coach with national scalps on the wall.  A coach that no one believes would be interested in the most profitable school in the land.  A college blue blood, nestled in one of the most attractive cities in the country, in the #1 hotbed of recruiting - over every school in the state.  A school with its own network for the parents to watch. A school with the best facilities money can buy.  A school just waiting for the first egotistical coach that thinks he can build another Bama dynasty here?

Yeah, buddy, lets be just like the school that Herman coaches for and hire the first hopeful we think just might be the next DKR.  This is what schools like tOSU, Michigan and UT (oops, sorry - not us) do.

Make the Meyers, Sabans, and Harbaughs turn us down.  Oh, that's right, one already has.  One that damn near came her, but for Powers and Dodds.

I have never been under the illusion that UT ever gave a crap about what I want. 

No, I don't prefer at all that they evaluate Charlie at the end of the year. At this point, it's a total waste of time. It should over with and done. Kansas should have been the final straw. Anyone with half a brain knows that.

The vetting of coaches should also be over at this point and you absolutely should know who you want. And it should be Herman, no ands, ifs, or buts. And no, everyone did not say the same thing about Strong at Louisville that they are saying about Herman. Far from it. 

Unless you can get Saban or Meyer, my preference is to get the coach with the most likelihood to be like Saban and Meyer. That's Herman and I think Herman thinks that himself. That's why I want him. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Lets turn this around.  Do you believe that Fenves, Perrin and Strong have been lying to us?

Don't have a clue if they have been lying to us. 

Do you believe that they are incapable of lying to us or misleading us?

 

[North Texas Golfer]

To be clear, I think Charlie needs to go.  It could not be more obvious that he is over matched at UT - and the Big 12.

But I am vehemently against a knee jerk reaction and hiring Herman.  Sure, he may still be who UT hires, and I'm fine with that.  As long as other potential candidates are looked at as well.

I don't believe for a moment that UT was given a time ultimatum by Herman's group.  If he is that stupid, I wouldn't want him as my coach anyway.

Even if they were to hire Herman this week, if the people responsible for making that decision have properly done their job, it would not be a knee jerk reaction. The people making those decisions should pretty much know all they need to know about all possible candidates by now. 

 

[Embrey]

Lets turn this around. Do you believe that Fenves, Perrin and Strong have been lying to us?

Do you believe the newspaper reporters and other journalists involved are lying that they have been told by 'sources' that the administration has already decided to fire Charlie Strong? I am not asking if you agree with how it was reported.

To answer your question, I don't believe Fenves and Perrin have been lying. It seems you assume the source is one of those two. I never thought either one of those fellows were the source. Further, although not impossible, I find it highly unlikely that the 'leak' came from inside Bellmont. That is how you lose your job. Bureaucrats and politicians inherently know that their power is based on their standing in their job or office.

Which group of people interested in Texas' football future does not have to worry about being fired? Fans and donors.

Do you believe that the 'leaks' came from the webisphere (fans)? It seems most likely to me that a donor (or multiple donors) with an agenda are the source that the decision to fire Charlie has been made. That does not mean that their agenda is wrong. It simply seems to make the most sense that they are leveraging their power to place pressure on the AD and the President at the very moment when Longhorn Nation is very upset. Now, if Fenves and/or Perrin don't fire Strong, there will be a faction of the alumni questioning if Fenves and/or Perrin are fit for their jobs. Again, they might be right but they might not.

I was told by a reporter here at Hornsports that multiple players had told them that Charlie told the team he had been fired. I do not believe the reporter is lying to me. I am not suggesting you think he is lying. I surmised that Charlie has told the team of his fate and his performance at the press conference was to protect from turning this into an even larger shit show. Charlie said in the press conference he will always tell his kids the truth. The reporter says he already has told them the truth. It is not his job to tell everybody the truth during the press conference.

 

[doc longhorn]

Don't have a clue if they have been lying to us. 

Do you believe that they are incapable of lying to us or misleading us?

Sure they are capable. But that wasn't my question.

Do you think the internet noise is capable of just being speculative BS?

I guess the question remains - who do you believe?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

So the first domino has fallen. Reports that Tristan Houston is transferring. Not a big name, but here we go...

 

[Embrey]

BDC, I think Texas will choose the best option once the season has come to a close. You will drive yourself nuts if you take a snapshot every time you hear something negative. When Texas has all cylinders firing in time they are able to use all the inherent advantages of being Texas. And that Texas, firing on all cylinders, is an awesome and terrible thing to behold.

 

[doc longhorn]

Do you believe the newspaper reporters and other journalists involved are lying that they have been told by 'sources' that the administration has already decided to fire Charlie Strong? I am not asking if you agree with how it was reported.

To answer your question, I don't believe Fenves and Perrin have been lying. It seems you assume the source is one of those two. I never thought either one of those fellows were the source. Further, although not impossible, I find it highly unlikely that the 'leak' came from inside Bellmont. That is how you lose your job. Bureaucrats and politicians inherently know that their power is based on their standing in their job or office.

Which group of people interested in Texas' football future does not have to worry about being fired? Fans and donors.

Do you believe that the 'leaks' came from the webisphere (fans)? It seems most likely to me that a donor (or multiple donors) with an agenda are the source that the decision to fire Charlie has been made. That does not mean that their agenda is wrong. It simply seems to make the most sense that they are leveraging their power to place pressure on the AD and the President at the very moment when Longhorn Nation is very upset. Now, if Fenves and/or Perrin don't fire Strong, there will be a faction of the alumni questioning if Fenves and/or Perrin are fit for their jobs. Again, they might be right but they might not.

I was told by a reporter here at Hornsports that multiple players had told them that Charlie told the team he had been fired. I do not believe the reporter is lying to me. I am not suggesting you think he is lying. I surmised that Charlie has told the team of his fate and his performance at the press conference was to protect from turning this into an even larger shit show. Charlie said in the press conference he will always tell his kids the truth. The reporter says he already has told them the truth. It is not his job to tell everybody the truth during the press conference.

Once again, we are always put into the position of giving trust or not, when given these kinds of reports.  Especially when reports always hide behind someone anonymous.  This factor, alone, should caution one to view any report with a jaundiced eye

I know, as well as you, that information is valuable and sites collect money to deliver credible information.  I'm in no position to call anyone a liar, as I assume that they are primarily just the messenger.

But being an old codger, life has taught me that a lot is lost between the tongue and the lip.

 

[Embrey]

I have hated the fact that these 'leaks' were anonymous as well. It reeks of manipulation. Manipulation of Texas' situation. Manipulation of the reporters by the source(s). Manipulation of us by the source(s) and the reporters. Etc

I believe that the reporters' sources have told them that the decision to fire Charlie has been made. I have no way of knowing if the reporters are in on the manipulation. I do know we all have an agenda.

And from one codger to another, I really did like the point of your original post. I do believe Fenves and Perrin have been doing exactly what they said they were going to do, evaluate Charlie on his performance at the end of the season.

I am just trying to figure out how the manipulation works and who the manipulators are.

 

[doc longhorn]

I have never been under the illusion that UT ever gave a crap about what I want. 

No, I don't prefer at all that they evaluate Charlie at the end of the year. At this point, it's a total waste of time. It should over with and done. Kansas should have been the final straw. Anyone with half a brain knows that.

The vetting of coaches should also be over at this point and you absolutely should know who you want. And it should be Herman, no ands, ifs, or buts. And no, everyone did not say the same thing about Strong at Louisville that they are saying about Herman. Far from it. 

Unless you can get Saban or Meyer, my preference is to get the coach with the most likelihood to be like Saban and Meyer. That's Herman and I think Herman thinks that himself. That's why I want him. 

UT would not have and will not fire a HC during the season.  That was never going to happen.

But I can see you are all in on Herman - devil take the hind most.  But considering you think he is most likely to be the next Saban or Meyer, I can see why.  That's quite a stretch, IMO.

And, yes, everyone DID say the same about Strong as they are Herman.  At least those that weren't hungering after Saban and knew anything about him. Besides, I'll ask you - why would Herman's credentials be better than Strong's were?

And how strong would your support be for Herman if you knew there was some interest from Urban Meyer, anyway?  Would you consider that a bird in hand - rather than waiting on Herman to reach Meyer's status?

Or would you still be all in on Herman? 

 

[shotime73]

I was watching Undisputed on ESPN. The comments that Shannon Sharpe said was dead on point regards to this situation.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

...And how strong would your support be for Herman if you knew there was some interest from Urban Meyer, anyway?  Would you consider that a bird in hand - rather than waiting on Herman to reach Meyer's status?

I'd love to get Meyer, but does he really wanna leave his home state? He's banking about $7MM per year, too.

Herman obviously doesn't have his skins, but the potential is definitely there.