Some thoughts following Charlie Strong's Monday presser

[North Texas Golfer]

The more passionate factions of the fanbase have passed judgement. The other largely have no judgement to pass on the subject.

Perrin has done nothing to reign in the bloat and wasteful spending that is a hallmark of how Bellmont operates. We are still waiting to hear how the new tennis center is progressing, we are still waiting to hear how the new SEZ project is progressing, we are still waiting to hear how the new basketball arena is progressing, we are still waiting to hear how the capital campaign to endow athletics scholarships is progressing. And the more passionate factions of the fanbase are going to be asked to finance and support every one of these initiatives.

And you still think that Perrin and Fenves will bring back Charlie Strong. Maybe, but only at a very high cost that I don't think the student athletes should be asked to bear. A pissing match between a weak president and an inept AD on one side and the passionate the alumni on the other isn't in the best interests of the university.

Personally, I am comfortable giving Strong, Perrin and Fenves their walking papers. The university needs strong, effective, dynamic leadership. It certainly doesn't have it now.

Totally agree with the last 2 sentences. 

But it's also exactly why I think it's absolutely possible that they will bring Strong back. 

 

[doc longhorn]

Here is the truth, as I see it.

First person knowledge

1.  Perrin has said Charlie will be evaluated after the season

2.  Charlie has said that no one has told him he is going to be fired

Second, third, fourth, ad infinitum knowledge

1.  Rumor that asst.'s have been told he will be fired

2.  ESPN says he will be fired

3.  AAS says he will be fired

4.  Fanbase wants him fired

5.  Herbstreit says he will be fired

6.  Internetz says he will be fired.

7.  So many saying he will be fired means he will be

Now, I believe I have covered everything - where do you think the so called s**t show or clown show actually lies?

As Pogo once said "We have met the enemy and he is us".

It hasn't been UT.

 

[Bear19]

Doc

Appreciate your point of view.

But if he ain't fired the shit show is totally on UT.

 

[dillohorn]

Here is the truth, as I see it.

First person knowledge

1.  Perrin has said Charlie will be evaluated after the season

2.  Charlie has said that no one has told him he is going to be fired

Second, third, fourth, ad infinitum knowledge

1.  Rumor that asst.'s have been told he will be fired

2.  ESPN says he will be fired

3.  AAS says he will be fired

4.  Fanbase wants him fired

5.  Herbstreit says he will be fired

6.  Internetz says he will be fired.

7.  So many saying he will be fired means he will be

Now, I believe I have covered everything - where do you think the so called s**t show or clown show actually lies?

As Pogo once said "We have met the enemy and he is us".

It hasn't been UT.

The "shit show" is the scoreboard. I'd say Charlie is responsible for those results. Gee. I always thought a lot of coaches got fired for not winning. Maybe that's just me, but I don't think so. If he were able to win here, he'd have done so by now and all this mess wouldn't be happening in the first place.  

 

[doc longhorn]

The "shit show" is the scoreboard. I'd say Charlie is responsible for those results. Gee. I always thought a lot of coaches got fired for not winning. Maybe that's just me, but I don't think so. If he were able to win here, he'd have done so by now and all this mess wouldn't be happening in the first place.  

My comment is directed to the multitude of posts that have been saying, because of his presser, that UT is exhibiting a s**t show.  And I maintain UT has been consistent in what it has said.  If there has been any s**t show it has been by the internet sites and the media - frantically posting innuendo and speculation in order to be the first to report his demise.

This has nothing to do with rather or not he needs to go.

 

[Randolph Duke]

out in the webisphere:

Bobby Burton's update....
"I know some people are not going to like this update, but I can't help that. This has all the markings of a complete cluster$#@!...

According to a source close to the situation, Texas president Greg Fenves has been given a 48-hour timeline to express interest in Houston coach Tom Herman before Herman begins serious negotiations with other parties, including Oregon and Baylor. An acknowledgement of sincere interest from the university president is all that is being requested.

Although Herman's representative has been in touch with a Texas official over the weekend and through yesterday, Fenves personally had not reached out to Herman or his representative as of late yesterday. Nor had athletic director Mike Perrin or system chancellor Admiral William McRaven.

And that's key because Horns247 has learned that McRaven, Fenves and Perrin are running the show as a triumvirate of sorts, and they're doing so in that order of importance.

It's important to note that not one of the three have ANY expertise or experience hiring or firing a football coach. Yet they, led by McRaven, appear to be exerting their control over the situation and not taking much input from other concerned parties, including those who have an official capacity and responsibility to do so.

"They say they don't want this to be another Mack (Brown) situation," a source told Horns247 this morning. "But that's exactly what it looks like it's going to be. They want a process, whatever that means. I'm afraid they just don't get it."

Indeed.

Case in point of the trio "not getting it" came yesterday.

Charlie Strong was given a platform to plead nationally for his job despite a record where he could possibly lose seven games in each of his first three seasons at Texas, an unprecedented level of futility never before seen on the 40 Acres.

Like it or not, Strong's plea effectively dragged the Texas athletic department and the Longhorns through the mud, gaining empathy for Strong despite such poor on-field performance.

We watched senior Paul Boyette cry during an interview. "Charlie Strong deserves more than to twist in the wind," Boyette said. Boyette couldn't be more right.

Yet because of the trio's inaction, instead of Friday becoming an opportunity for players and fans alike to send Strong off on a positive note without media scrutiny yesterday or the rest of the week, the trio decided it's better to wait to swing the axe on Strong this coming Saturday.

What the trio have underestimated is that it is already costing Texas dearly in the eyes of public opinion. The apparent treatment of Strong will likely cost Texas in recruiting, giving the Horns a black eye because of its treatment of Strong.

It was Boyette, by the way, who asked Strong to address members of the team prior to Saturday's game after hearing ESPN reports that donors were pressing the Texas administration to hire Herman.

The bottom line:
So far, this situation could not have been handled worse. It's hurting the football players and coaching staff who are in a state of purgatory and it's hurting public perception, which will thereby injure recruiting.

Additionally, this "process" and the inexperience of the trio, particularly McRaven, in running a coaching search could cost Texas any shot at landing Herman.

The clock is ticking and I'm not sure the right person at Texas is even going to pick up the phone and call the country's hottest coaching prospect.

This is not theory. This is reality.

McRaven, Fenves and Perrin. Texas football is in your hands.

But if yesterday is any proof of your ability to lead and make decisions as it relates to football, Longhorns fans are almost certain not to like the results."

 

[doc longhorn]

out in the webisphere:

This is exactly the kind of crap I am talking about.  This entire article is based on "sources" that we are asked to trust and believe.

You and I could have made up this entire article ourselves and who could challenge us?

Call me cynical, but I have always been reluctant to give complete credence to anyone who hides behind "sources" rather than letting me know who the source actually is.

Writer credibility, IMO, is derived from actual names or assertions with resulting accuracy.

Now, saying Strong is going to be fired, carries no weight with me as we all expect this to happen.  For a writer to come back and say "I told you so" would be laughable.

 

[dillohorn]

My comment is directed to the multitude of posts that have been saying, because of his presser, that UT is exhibiting a s**t show.  And I maintain UT has been consistent in what it has said.  If there has been any s**t show it has been by the internet sites and the media - frantically posting innuendo and speculation in order to be the first to report his demise.

This has nothing to do with rather or not he needs to go.

I was commenting about the "shit shows" on the field of play the past 3 seasons.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Supposedly the highest places of the "sources" is Steve Hicks.

 

[doc longhorn]

I was commenting about the "shit shows" on the field of play the past 3 seasons.

Sure, but that is a different argument altogether.

I will say again, I lost trust in Charlie after the ISU game last year.  It was a complete coaching failure and that was unforgivable.

 

[doc longhorn]

Supposedly the highest places of the "sources" is Steve Hicks.

I can say with pretty much assurance, that it wasn't Hicks.  The "supposedly" was just that - clueless and crap.

Anyone with an eye for objectivity can see the entire article was nothing more than a writers opinion, laced with BS to make it seem bona fide.

The article, along with the rest of the internet junk is EXACTLY what has contributed to the so called "clown" show.

90% of it is speculation, based on nothing, to drive sales, clicks and some peoples need to be noticed.

The university has conducted itself with dignity and aplomb.  I wish everyone else could do the same and quit trying to dance on Charlies grave.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Here is the truth, as I see it.

First person knowledge

1.  Perrin has said Charlie will be evaluated after the season

2.  Charlie has said that no one has told him he is going to be fired

Second, third, fourth, ad infinitum knowledge

1.  Rumor that asst.'s have been told he will be fired

2.  ESPN says he will be fired

3.  AAS says he will be fired

4.  Fanbase wants him fired

5.  Herbstreit says he will be fired

6.  Internetz says he will be fired.

7.  So many saying he will be fired means he will be

Now, I believe I have covered everything - where do you think the so called s**t show or clown show actually lies?

As Pogo once said "We have met the enemy and he is us".

It hasn't been UT.

All Texas had to do was do what needed to be done when it needed to be done.

If they have done that, then I agree that they have not contributed to the s**t show. 

If they have not done that, then they have definitely contributed to the s**t show. 

From where I sit, they have NOT done what needed to be done. But I also don't know that as absolute fact.

 

[Randolph Duke]

I can say with pretty much assurance, that it wasn't Hicks.  The "supposedly" was just that - clueless and crap.

Anyone with an eye for objectivity can see the entire article was nothing more than a writers opinion, laced with BS to make it seem bona fide.

The article, along with the rest of the internet junk is EXACTLY what has contributed to the so called "clown" show.

90% of it is speculation, based on nothing, to drive sales, clicks and some peoples need to be noticed.

The university has conducted itself with dignity and aplomb.  I wish everyone else could do the same and quit trying to dance on Charlies grave.

Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

a·plomb əˈpläm,əˈpləm
noun
noun: aplomb
self-confidence or assurance, especially when in a demanding situation.
synonyms:poise, self-assurance, self-confidence, calmness, composure, collectedness, levelheadedness, sangfroid, equilibrium, equanimity; informalunflappability

 

[Bob Barker 007]

out in the webisphere:

There's some very slight good news to this. It appears (Scout, 247) Chad Morris will be taking the Baylor job, so another team is now out of the picture for Herman. Still though, how can we botch this situation so badly when we aren't even facing off directly with LSU, USC, and Texas A&M? We are the job he wants, and we are the best opening around, assuming Strong is fired. Though that's no guarantee because of the ineptitude of the academic triumvirate at the top. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Here is the truth, as I see it.

First person knowledge

1.  Perrin has said Charlie will be evaluated after the season

2.  Charlie has said that no one has told him he is going to be fired

Second, third, fourth, ad infinitum knowledge

1.  Rumor that asst.'s have been told he will be fired

2.  ESPN says he will be fired

3.  AAS says he will be fired

4.  Fanbase wants him fired

5.  Herbstreit says he will be fired

6.  Internetz says he will be fired.

7.  So many saying he will be fired means he will be

Now, I believe I have covered everything - where do you think the so called s**t show or clown show actually lies?

As Pogo once said "We have met the enemy and he is us".

It hasn't been UT.

Do you honestly believe that there are not "sources" within the Texas administration, with an agenda, feeding information to certain people?

 

[DBut82]

To the contrary, it's those who insist on keeping Strong who are the ones making an emotional plea.

Most calling for his dismissal reference his results and body of work exclusively as rational for his dismissal. Once again, it ain't personal. Just the business of winning football games.

Is disgust considered a "meltdown"? If so, I'll be in that camp if Strong is retained.

Although what you said J.B. is 100% correct, but you missed the point of my post. Anyone who wants Strong gone has valid reasons. I'm not disputing that at all. My point is that so many have taken it as a forgone conclusion that he will be fired.  And no one with the power to fire him has made that statement.  So those who want him gone should really prepare themselves for the possibility that Charlie Strong as the coach next season.  If not, when the realization sets in that Chuck is here for 2017 then emotions will probably get the better of them...

 

[DBut82]

Do you honestly believe that there are not "sources" within the Texas administration, with an agenda, feeding information to certain people?

^^^THIS^^^

 

[RunRickyRun]

We lost to Kansas this past Saturday. Just in case anyone that wants strong to stay forgot.

 

[tejasrulz]

I think we can all agree that Strong is a good person. He isn't perfect but who is?

However losing to Iowa St last year hurt his coaching cred a lot. It didn't sink his ship per say but it took a major chuck out of the hull and he lost some passengers. Losing to Kansas was like the Titanic hitting that iceberg. The passengers are jumping and getting off. It's not a matter of if it's going to sink, it's a manner of when.

 

[Earl Nobis Jefferson]

This has been a fascinating read.  There's so many layers to peal back from this onion, some are rotten, some I don't think actually belong to the onion.  This whole fiasco is exhausting.  I just want this to be Saturday so I will know the course of my university's football team; the team that I fell in love with when I watched it for the first time and got to see Earl run all over UH and Bevo too .  All I want is for us to be great again.  I'm no coach or a academic administrator, so I cannot rightfully comment on what is the best course of action.  The only best option I have (maybe we have) is to pray for the best decisions to be made ultimately that gets us back to greatness.