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Would Aggie Veto a Texas to SEC realignment?

BevoBlake

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I've seen this come up in Realignment thread after Realignment thread so I thought it would be nice to center the conversation on that very discussion. That discussion being, if Texas wanted to join the SEC would Texas A&M veto the move. Now I think it would be easy for us to go off of our first instinct and profoundly say "Absolutely yes!" Because lets all be honest, just about everyone knows that Texas A&M left for the SEC because they were tired of living under UT's shadow. Now with that in mind, you'd have to think they'd take that Aggie thumb and flip it upside down right? I'm not so sure. Realistically speaking, A&M stands a lot to gain by withholding Texas from joining the SEC.

1.) Recruiting - They have the recruiting advantage when it comes to Conference and Strength of Schedule.

2.) Power - They finally have the power to say "No!" to Texas.

3.) Claim - They have the sole claim to the SEC in Texas.

4.) What If - Without playing Texas, they can continue the "What If" scenarios rather than proving to be the 2nd Best School in the State.

Now there are undoubtedly some additional rewards to leaving Texas outside the SEC that I haven't mentioned here. Only because I'm ready for us to get to the reasons why A&M would benefit from Texas being in the SEC. And yes folks, they would benefit.

1.) Money - Simply put, if Texas joins the SEC they'd have to accept a revenue sharing agreement. That agreement would add even more money to an already wealthy Conference. During a period when Kyle Field is being renovated, Texas A&M is expanding it's reach and they could be looking for a new Head Coach...a few additional million could go a long way.

2.) Rivalry - No Aggieland, LSU nor Missouri are your rivals. You will never and I mean ever have a rivalry like the one you share(d) with the University of Texas. Now I'm not saying you didn't have you reasons to leave as DeLoss has done a number on the BIG XII. But you stand more to gain from this rivalry than you apparently think. Every school in the SEC, even Kentucky, has a legitimate rivalry game. And while you might think you've left Texas rival-less in your absence, we've still got Oklahoma. Texas vs. TAMU as a Thanksgiving SEC Showdown would greatly benefit the SEC, Texas A&M, UT and even the State of Texas. I don't see this Rivalry brought back unless it's a Conference game.

3.) 27-25 - Yes, you have to live with that.

4.) Shift of Power - Common belief is that if Texas joined the SEC, it would kill A&M recruiting and force them down into the bottom of the pack. I actually disagree, depending on when Texas would join the SEC. If Texas were to join in the next 1-4 years, I actually think Texas joining would help A&M. All of those Texan recruits who bolt for LSU, Alabama, Auburn and Georgia would give some serious consideration to staying home if it meant they got to be a part of this huge SEC rivalry and still represent their State. While Texas would undoubtedly steal some recruits from A&M (And Vice Versa), it would also raise the value of A&M as an in-state rival. I think it adds a lot more incentive for recruits to stay at home and choose between the two schools. A&M would see a spike in recruiting as result and we could see a shift in power from Alabama and LSU to Texas and A&M.

5.) No Cowardice - This might be one of the bigger keys in stopping A&M from vetoing a Texas SEC inception. If Texas and the SEC come together about admitting Texas, everyone knows it would go to a Vote. I have a lot of doubt that any school outside of A&M would have a problem adding Texas to the Conference. Unless it was Alabama and Texas had just stole Nick Saban away. No if they were to be denied, it would be because A&M vetoed the move. How would that look to everyone outside of College Station? Cowardly. It would be an admittance that despite their claims, A&M really is scared to be stuck under the shadow of Texas. It would negate all of the work they've done in the past two years to establish their brand and become a prestigious football team. If Texas A&M said "No!", they wouldn't only draw the ire of Texas but that of the other SEC teams as well. Why? Because they've shown to be the same A&M that jumped ship to escape the Longhorn shadow two years ago. The growth they've been bolstering would be a fraud. And on top of that, they'd be denying additional funding and influence for the rest of the Conference. This isn't the same as Georgia blocking Georgia Tech, Florida blocking Florida State and so forth. Blocking Texas would financially be one of the most ridiculous moves a Conference/University could do. And if Texas A&M were to do it, it would be for no other reason than cowardice. I think TAMU wants to ditch this stigma and accepting Texas into the conference to show they aren't afraid and they're willing to do whats best for the conference would undoubtedly be the best way to do it.

I'm working off of the presumption that TAMU has in fact grown as a University and Football program since they made their decision to leave the BIG XII two years ago. Texas A&M, whether we like it or not, has developed some swagger and has shown they can perform. Now, if Sumlin and Manziel leave, we could see a change in that as soon as next year. But they've gathered some decent recruits and they've primed themselves for at least an average performance in the SEC over the next two-three years. The important thing as Longhorn fans would be to accept that our University (Namely DeLoss) does share the brunt of the blame for the BIG XII losing A&M, Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado. His actions that have bettered UT (only financially) have nearly placed the BIG XII into an intensive care unit. We can be prideful without being egotistical and I think the best way to show that, is to admit that the BIG XII would be a much better Conference if those schools listed above hadn't left. The addition of the new AD could be a grand step in the way of changing the outside world's perception of the University of Texas. And if we were to put our egos aside and agree to play on the same playing field as the rest of the SEC, I think TAMU would give us the infamous thumbs up to join them in the Southeastern Conference. Remember. This rivalry isn't just full of hatred and disdain for the opponent.

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That's too much for us all to ignore any longer. If Texas becomes serious about joining the SEC, I think A&M (slightly reluctantly) allows it to happen.

 
Actually, I think they will stomp their feet/hold their breath, like a small child in defiance of adding Texas. They will continue right up to the point Texas is added on a 12-2 vote.

(mizzou the other, and they will just threaten to go to the B1G....haha)

 
Aggy would do everything possible to be an obstacle to anything Texas chose to do simply because the entire mentality of those snotpicking morons is to bve anti-Texas to the point of purposely going against even the brilliant ideas that come out of the 40 acres. That mentality is exactly why in spite of having enormous resources they have been, and still are, a second tier program that gets kicked around on a regular basis. Their greatest season was a Cotton Bowl win and third in their division. They greatest player in the history of their program was a character risk who got stuck going there because he wasn't up to the strandard expected at Texas. Their greatest tradition (12th Man) is a fake story that is a real as Santa Claus. What makes you think they would do anything other than try to be an annoyance to their more attractive, more successful and wealthier big brother.

That being said, why in God's name would we want to associate ourselves with the wretched, poverty-addled mouthbreathers that comprise the SEC? Think forward. Think what the next change in college sports will be like. Position for that. We are Texas. We don't join other conferences. We create other conferences.

 
They probably would veto us but I dont think that we would let it get that far. Highly doubt they want to lose the LHN revenue or have to share it equally amongst all members of the SEC. Would be interesting tho if OU would go to and add FSU and Miami maybe. That would be the most insane conference EVER!

 
If they did it would certainly end their silly "anytime, anywhere" argument, wouldn't it?

 
aggy would only have 1 vote. Doubt they could sway any other than misery. I doubt many really even like aggy after dealing their garbage for the past year. Remember, 75 years isn't that long ago if you're 150 years old. : )

 
They would try but it wouldn't work.

I don't want to go to the SEC. Just because it's the best conference now doesn't mean it will remain so. I want as far away from aggy as possible. They belong in the confederacy anyway.

 
Two points:

1. UT would've been chosen by the SEC over Mizzery OR A&M if we were interested in being there. Moot point. It's possible that Mike Slive is retarded, but I doubt it.

2. IMHO, our next move will be an arrangement similar to what Notre Dame or BYU has. Football independence with conference affiliation for every other sport.

 
With all due respect you wasted a lot of time writing this post. We're never going to the SEC so this is all a moot point. I normally hate anyone that uses absolutes when stating something will or won't happen but in this case I'm pretty sure there's a 0% chance of Texas joining the SEC.

 
Aggy would do everything possible to be an obstacle to anything Texas chose to do simply because the entire mentality of those snotpicking morons is to bve anti-Texas to the point of purposely going against even the brilliant ideas that come out of the 40 acres. That mentality is exactly why in spite of having enormous resources they have been, and still are, a second tier program that gets kicked around on a regular basis. Their greatest season was a Cotton Bowl win and third in their division. They greatest player in the history of their program was a character risk who got stuck going there because he wasn't up to the strandard expected at Texas. Their greatest tradition (12th Man) is a fake story that is a real as Santa Claus. What makes you think they would do anything other than try to be an annoyance to their more attractive, more successful and wealthier big brother.
That being said, why in God's name would we want to associate ourselves with the wretched, poverty-addled mouthbreathers that comprise the SEC? Think forward. Think what the next change in college sports will be like. Position for that. We are Texas. We don't join other conferences. We create other conferences.
Give me a phucking break. Who are you, Prince Charles? I would rather hang out with people from Ole Miss, LSU, and Tennessee people than sooners, or anyone else in our conference. THis is why I hate our fans sometime who think we're better than anyone CFB.

 
IF Texas wanted to join the SEC, the SEC would kick A&M out in order to get Texas.

 
IF Texas wanted to join the SEC, the SEC would kick A&M out in order to get Texas.
UT would have to share all revenue from TV and bowls equally. Don't think we'll do that ever.

 
How many times must one say "If Texas wanted" in a post to stress the point that they don't think said entity is campaigning for a Conference spot? As I said in my very first sentence, I've seen people bring up this scenario in multiple threads so I wanted to hold a central conversation about it. But rather than us talking about the possibility of an Aggie veto in a situation like that, we're dogging on the SEC and A&M? Isn't that the kind of image we're trying to shed?

I'm not saying Texas should be campaigning for a spot in the SEC. But to act like the conference is crap, is ridiculous. And to act like A&M putting together two winnings seasons in the last two years in a conference they were supposed to be trounced in, is ridiculous. To we have short term memory problems? Folks we got beat down by Ole Miss this season and they're arguably the sixth or seventh best team in that Conference. I'm not saying that will be the same ten years down the road but it amazes me that people are so readily spitting on the SEC as if they're beneath us. Maybe they were near ten years ago but as of today, Texas would benefit greatly from joining the conference. As for me "wasting time" writing this thread, I disagree. I think it's a good topic to debate about, when we stay on topic.

 
Why in God's name would we want to associate ourselves with the wretched, poverty-addled mouthbreathers that comprise the SEC?
Funny, RandolphDuke, but it's hard to argue that the SEC doesn't have the best fans in CFB. Biggest stadiums, tailgates, travel contingents...it's all there. Frankly, I can't blame A&M for making the move. I just wish they would've handled it in a classier way without pointing the finger at UT.

Let's face it, A&M was desperate for any edge (real or perceived) that they could get on The University. Short-term, their SEC affiliation has been good to them. They've gained recruits that A&M historically hasn't gotten. But, it's my belief that the recruits were at the expense of other SEC teams. Overall, the SEC got fewer kids out of TX. Credit to Baylor, Tech, & TCU for keeping more of 'em home.

BUT what happens after both Sumlin and JFF bail? IMO, a 102k seat stadium is WAY too optimistic for a program that struggles to sell out 88k. Aggieland is a pain in the ass to get to for most alumni. What happens after a string of 8-4 or 7-5 seasons?

We'll see, but I think aggie has bitten off more than he can chew!

 
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With Patterson running the show now, I think everything potentially changes including our view of the SEC, but time will tell.

 
Give me a phucking break. Who are you, Prince Charles? I would rather hang out with people from Ole Miss, LSU, and Tennessee people than sooners, or anyone else in our conference. THis is why I hate our fans sometime who think we're better than anyone CFB.
If forced to spend weekends in the fall driving endlessly through Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky and Tennessee I will give up college football.

If you have such an affinity for those of the blue collar rural south, you must have loathed your time in Austin. For me, I much prefer games in Dallas, visiting friends in West Texas and an occasional trip to Stillwater (to remind me how lucky I am to be a Texan). Towns like Starkville, Auburn and even College Station, where a decent meal consists of grease laden crap from Applebees cooked by someone who is his own cousin do nothing for me.

West Virginia isn't great but its not a bad drive from D.C. and those people are a welcome upgrade in both culture and sophistication over the aggys.

I, for one, have no interest in spending weekends in rural backwaters of the old south. No thanks.

 
If forced to spend weekends in the fall driving endlessly through Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky and Tennessee I will give up college football.
If you have such an affinity for those of the blue collar rural south, you must have loathed your time in Austin. For me, I much prefer games in Dallas, visiting friends in West Texas and an occasional trip to Stillwater (to remind me how lucky I am to be a Texan). Towns like Starkville, Auburn and even College Station, where a decent meal consists of grease laden crap from Applebees cooked by someone who is his own cousin do nothing for me.

West Virginia isn't great but its not a bad drive from D.C. and those people are a welcome upgrade in both culture and sophistication over the aggys.

I, for one, have no interest in spending weekends in rural backwaters of the old south. No thanks.
The hillbillies of West Virginia and Morgantown are by far worse than the south. I go there regularly to see friends and the people aren't too classy

 
That being said, why in God's name would we want to associate ourselves with the wretched, poverty-addled mouthbreathers that comprise the SEC? Think forward. Think what the next change in college sports will be like. Position for that. We are Texas. We don't join other conferences. We create other conferences.
You're painting the SEC with a pretty broad brush, aren't you? I've done quite a bit of travel throughout the southeast for work and to visit family and couldn't say that I've run into any more "wretched, poverty-addled mouthbreathers" than I have in any other states, including Texas. Being a transplanted Coon-Ass (been in Texas since I was 4) and having all of my extended family living in or around SEC country I've gotta admit that I take a little offense at the description.

As for creating conferences...we had the chance to build a strong Big 12 with the addition of Florida State, Clemson, Miami and Georgia Tech/Virginia Tech and blew it trying to court the domers. So much for creating... I'd love to see Texas make the move to the SEC, win or lose I'd rather go up against LSU, Bama, Florida, Georgia, etc... than Kansas, Iowa State, K State. Either bring OU with us or keep the RRS and you've got a national championship schedule every year for football and just about every other sport. Money? Can you imagine the money that the SEC network, bowl games, etc... would bring in with Texas in the mix? The SEC's got a long way to go academically and I can see where that would concern some but, really, who cares? We're not going to see professors on the field/court arguing string theory, this is about athletics. We're still going to get research money, grants, etc... based on our history of results and our own merit. None of that's going anywhere.

"We are Texas" and we belong with the best. Right now the SEC is the best football conference in the country, add Texas and, possibly, OU and that's not going to change for a long, long time. As an added benefit...it'd prove to aggy that while they may've been the first Texas team in the conference we are, by far, the best and most pursued Texas team in the conference.

 
If forced to spend weekends in the fall driving endlessly through Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky and Tennessee I will give up college football.
If you have such an affinity for those of the blue collar rural south, you must have loathed your time in Austin. For me, I much prefer games in Dallas, visiting friends in West Texas and an occasional trip to Stillwater (to remind me how lucky I am to be a Texan). Towns like Starkville, Auburn and even College Station, where a decent meal consists of grease laden crap from Applebees cooked by someone who is his own cousin do nothing for me.

West Virginia isn't great but its not a bad drive from D.C. and those people are a welcome upgrade in both culture and sophistication over the aggys.

I, for one, have no interest in spending weekends in rural backwaters of the old south. No thanks.
You obviously don't have much experience outside your little bubble. I do business in the Southeast. Great people. Very passionate and friendly. I'll take those people 1000x over West Virginia, Stillwater, and west Texas! LOL.

And the women. My god, the women.

UGA girls are my fav.

 
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