Would Aggie Veto a Texas to SEC realignment?

[Randolph Duke]

You're painting the SEC with a pretty broad brush, aren't you? I've done quite a bit of travel throughout the southeast for work and to visit family and couldn't say that I've run into any more "wretched, poverty-addled mouthbreathers" than I have in any other states, including Texas. Being a transplanted Coon-Ass (been in Texas since I was 4) and having all of my extended family living in or around SEC country I've gotta admit that I take a little offense at the description.
As for creating conferences...we had the chance to build a strong Big 12 with the addition of Florida State, Clemson, Miami and Georgia Tech/Virginia Tech and blew it trying to court the domers. So much for creating... I'd love to see Texas make the move to the SEC, win or lose I'd rather go up against LSU, Bama, Florida, Georgia, etc... than Kansas, Iowa State, K State. Either bring OU with us or keep the RRS and you've got a national championship schedule every year for football and just about every other sport. Money? Can you imagine the money that the SEC network, bowl games, etc... would bring in with Texas in the mix? The SEC's got a long way to go academically and I can see where that would concern some but, really, who cares? We're not going to see professors on the field/court arguing string theory, this is about athletics. We're still going to get research money, grants, etc... based on our history of results and our own merit. None of that's going anywhere.

"We are Texas" and we belong with the best. Right now the SEC is the best football conference in the country, add Texas and, possibly, OU and that's not going to change for a long, long time. As an added benefit...it'd prove to aggy that while they may've been the first Texas team in the conference we are, by far, the best and most pursued Texas team in the conference.

I'm not going to spend the rest of my day debating the incredible wonderfulness of all that is the SEC footprint. Suffice to say there is a reason precious few companies chose to headquarter in the states that comprise the SEC footprint during the industrial revolution and the same has happened during the technology revolution. Its a place that innovation has purposely avoided and never embraced. There is a reason why and it's tied to enducation and culture.

Yes, the SEC is playing good football now. Great. 75 years ago it was a different set of schools that were dominating. I am very much against running from conference to conference trying to hop the latest train to leave the station.

As for the argument that if we were to be in the SEC we would be playing LSU, Bama, Florida and Georgia every year, even now aggy plays Florida and Georgia only once every 7 years. Only once every 14 years at home. Adding more teams to that conference would make playing any team on a regular basis less likely, not more likely. Texas in the SEC would mean a 16 team conference with 4 pods of 4 teams. The West pod would be us, aggy, mizzou and someone else. It could be Mississippi St as easily as it could be OU or LSU. Is that what we want? If we wanted to be stuck playing aggy, mizzou and OU every year and then adding Fla, Bama or Ga once every 6, 8 or 10 years, we could have done that years ago. We can today schedule any of the SEC OOC (as we did Ole Miss).

As for the money, we would certainly make less money as part of the SEC. I am not a believer in SECN bringing Clay Travis numbers of $70 million per school per year. No way Ole Miss, Miss St, KY, Vandy, Auburn, or any SEC school has media value twice that of the currently most valuable program (Texas) simply because their games are packaged with offseason episodes of collegiate bass fishing or reruns of the Kentucky-LSU intercollegiate spelling bee. Cable providers aren't going to be able to force bundling down the throats of subscribers much longer and whan the break-up happens, economics of sports programming changes. I certainly don't want to locked into a long term deal with a bunch of small market colleges with far from affluent fanbases.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Texas in the SEC would mean a 16 team conference with 4 pods of 4 teams. The West pod would be us, aggy, mizzou and someone else. It could be Mississippi St as easily as it could be OU or LSU.

The 4-team pod would more likely be UT, A&M, LSU, & Arkansas. But, your point about not playing Florida & Georgia is well put. A&M's cross-division SEC games this year were Vandy and Mizzou. Yippee

Oh...and you're absolutely correct about SEC lapdog, Clay Travis. He's talking out of his ass (again). SECn is going to have the same distribution issues LHN has.

 

[tshirtfan12]

Aggy would do everything possible to be an obstacle to anything Texas chose to do simply because the entire mentality of those snotpicking morons is to bve anti-Texas to the point of purposely going against even the brilliant ideas that come out of the 40 acres. That mentality is exactly why in spite of having enormous resources they have been, and still are, a second tier program that gets kicked around on a regular basis. Their greatest season was a Cotton Bowl win and third in their division. They greatest player in the history of their program was a character risk who got stuck going there because he wasn't up to the strandard expected at Texas. Their greatest tradition (12th Man) is a fake story that is a real as Santa Claus. What makes you think they would do anything other than try to be an annoyance to their more attractive, more successful and wealthier big brother.
That being said, why in God's name would we want to associate ourselves with the wretched, poverty-addled mouthbreathers that comprise the SEC? Think forward. Think what the next change in college sports will be like. Position for that. We are Texas. We don't join other conferences. We create other conferences.

This sentiment is exactly why the UT athletic program is in the dumpster.....ARROGANCE!

 

[Randolph Duke]

There is zero reason for us to even consider the SEC. We could do it by 5:00 this afternoon, if we wanted to but because of politics, egos and the fact they know we have very deep pockets, the price for us doing so would be higher than it was for aggy and higher than it be worth us paying. It would be akin to buying a stock at the high of the bubble just to say we owned it.

We need to think ahead, wait for the landscape to change and then act strategically. We would be far better off spending $12mil as aggy did to leave and instead spending $12 mil to lobby Congress to pass the bill John McCain introduced this summer that would prohibit cable bundling. That would cause chaos in the conference networks and cause a total realignment. If you think that's nots, google "Oklahoma CFA Supreme Court" and read up on how OU lead the charge that changed college football in the 1980s.

For probably $5mil in lobbying expenses Texas, or any other school, could blow up the SECN and BIGN economic models. I think it will happen on its own, just because its what people want to happen.Why deal with the crap involved with changing conferences when its just a matter of time until realignment happens on its own?

 

[texasdobbs]

We will not go to the SEC.... anyone who says we would don't know Texas

 

[joebobb]

I think the SEC would take Tex in a heartbeat if they express interest regardless of what A&M may want to do. The question is not whether the SEC wants Texas it is more whether Texas (not the fans) want the SEC. if the Admin wanted the SEC, they would be there, they have not expressed that interest.

There are really only 2 realistic landing areas for Texas now, the BIG and SEC because those are the only conferences who could absorb the hit when Texas breaks the GOR deal.

 

[Randolph Duke]

This sentiment is exactly why the UT athletic program is in the dumpster.....ARROGANCE!

Lol.

The definition of "in the dumpster" is when you have to claim fake championships from 100 years ago because you haven't won anything on the field.

The definition of "in the dumpster" is when your fanbase goes ape-sh!t crazy because your school has finally won bowl games in back to back years for the first time in 75 years.

The definition of "in the dumpster" is when you realize that at the greatest time in the history of your program your hated rival, if they win their game the day after tomorrow, will have the exact same record for the season as your team which is lead by the greatest player you have ever had.

The definition of "in the dumpster" is when your hated rival is 2nd in college football in all-time wind and your team is celebrating 700 wins, a milestone your hated rival surpassed before some of your current players were even born.

The definition of "in the dumpster" is when to whitewash the ineptitude of your program you try to whitewash your inability to win by making claims like that your school was a small school school with only half the enrollment of the schools you played against when everyone know your school was all male and the other schools were 50% female (it wasn't the women on the other teams that whipped your asses year in and year out).

The definition of "in the dumpster" is when you get whipped by your hated rival in every single sport you played them for over a century. And then go running away to another conference because you were sick and tired of getting your asses beaten.

(Should I go on? I can, if you want me to)

You aggy are amazing. Personal insults against people who explain the truth to you don't count for much. Call me anything you want. Its what little brothers do.

 

[Bandit]

I still pissed about the comment that the Deep South is better than West Texas.

 

[theknighttrain]

So, in the last 32 years (1980 to now), the SEC has won 12 NCs, with the last 7 in a row.

Everything is cyclical. They won't make it to an even 10. The traditionally strong powers will be back and some may already be back (FSU, Ohio State, etc).

Oregon and Stanford are knocking on ther door, Texas will win again with a new coach, Penn State will rebound some, Nebraska can compete again with anyone other than Pelini, Clemson and Oklahoma can be contenders, as possibly Miami if Golden sticks around.

The SEC is great right now. But they won't maintain this current dominance forever, probably even for the next 3 years. Too many good coaches out there right now, and not all in the SEC.

2012 Alabama BCS

2011 Alabama BCS

2010 Auburn BCS

2009 Alabama BCS

2008 Florida BCS

2007 Louisiana State BCS

2006 Florida BCS

2005 Texas BCS

2004 Southern California BCS

2003 Louisiana State, Southern California BCS, AP, FWAA

2002 Ohio State BCS

2001 Miami (Fla.) BCS

2000 Oklahoma BCS

1999 Florida State BCS

1998 Tennessee BCS

1997 Michigan, Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN

1996 Florida AP, FWAA, NFF,USA/CNN

1995 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1994 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1993 Florida St. AP, FWAA,NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1992 Alabama AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1991 Washington, Miami (Fla.) FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI,AP

1990 Colorado, Georgia Tech FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, AP, UPI

1989 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1988 Notre Dame AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1987 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1986 Penn St. AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1982 Penn St. AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

1981 Clemson AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI

1980 Georgia

 

[doc longhorn]

Aggy would do everything possible to be an obstacle to anything Texas chose to do simply because the entire mentality of those snotpicking morons is to bve anti-Texas to the point of purposely going against even the brilliant ideas that come out of the 40 acres. That mentality is exactly why in spite of having enormous resources they have been, and still are, a second tier program that gets kicked around on a regular basis. Their greatest season was a Cotton Bowl win and third in their division. They greatest player in the history of their program was a character risk who got stuck going there because he wasn't up to the strandard expected at Texas. Their greatest tradition (12th Man) is a fake story that is a real as Santa Claus. What makes you think they would do anything other than try to be an annoyance to their more attractive, more successful and wealthier big brother.
That being said, why in God's name would we want to associate ourselves with the wretched, poverty-addled mouthbreathers that comprise the SEC? Think forward. Think what the next change in college sports will be like. Position for that. We are Texas. We don't join other conferences. We create other conferences.

Ha, ha. I couldn't agree with you more.

I like your last sentence and it could come to fruition maybe more than you think. Super conferences have been bandied about quite a bit. The reasoning being:

1. It does away with the NCAA

2. It simply is Ka-ching, Ka-ching, Ka-ching!

3. It eliminates the weak "Sisters-of-the-poor", that are leeches in most of the existing conferences.

4. It adds supreme fan interest.

I can conceive of a super conference consisting of:

Texas

Alabama

FSU

LSU

OU

Ohio State

Michigan

USC

Florida

Georgia

OSU

Michigan State

ETC.

As far as a SEC veto, who do you think Slive would prefer - UT or aggy?

 

[LongviewLobo01]

If Texas even hinted at the fact that we were interested in the SEC, Slive would be on the phone with Patterson or whoever he needed to be on the phone with in minutes. Bringing Texas into the SEC would be like winning the lottery...twice.

Remember, the reason that the SEC went after and took Arkansas in was because Broyles made some backroom promises to the higher ups in the SEC that he could bring Texas along. They didn't want Arkansas. Texas was the big fish at that time too. Obviously we see how that worked.

And when realignment was happening a few years ago, the SEC again wanted Texas first and foremost, but Dodds and Texas again weren't interested. So the SEC took A&M in order to gain inroads into the state. Not exactly a terrible fallback option considering how things have turned out, but I guarantee you that if Texas wanted in, they probably wouldn't even need to hold a vote of any kind.

I work with a number of LSU donors and alumni and they all respect the hell out of Texas. And they all want Texas in the SEC. Most of them would kindly kick A&M out in order to bring Texas in. They don't like A&M.

The biggest issue would be the Longhorn Network, but being that it's done by ESPN and the SEC Network is going to be an ESPN channel I have a feeling that all the parties could get together on it and work something out. It wouldn't be too difficult to cut back Texas' money from the conference network to make up for the LHN to make things equal between all parties. That's what ESPN and IMG get paid the big money to deal with.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

The definition of "in the dumpster" is when to whitewash the ineptitude of your program you try to whitewash your inability to win by making claims like that your school was a small school school with only half the enrollment of the schools you played against when everyone know your school was all male and the other schools were 50% female (it wasn't the women on the other teams that whipped your asses year in and year out).

Funny how a small, all-male school on the Hudson (THE United States Military Academy) didn't have a problem winning back in the 40's. Three consecutive National Championships (1944, 1945, and 1946) since the aggies won their one and only in 1939. Oh, that's right, aggie claimed the 1927 & 1919 titles last year.

Whoop!

 

[NWAHorn]

Mike Slive would crawl to Austin to get Texas in the SEC. And he'd fart on Aggy on his way.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Ha, ha. I couldn't agree with you more.
I like your last sentence and it could come to fruition maybe more than you think. Super conferences have been bandied about quite a bit.

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As far as a SEC veto, who do you think Slive would prefer - UT or aggy?

Lol. Yea. I thought that last sentence was kind of funny. I like to put stuff like that in a few of my posts just for effect. Most of the faithful already know my style and why I include those little zingers. It's usually the lurkers (especially the ones from farmville) who take the bait and go off on them (evidenced by the tshirtfan and his plaintive wailing of "ARROGANCE!")

As for the SEC, no one wants to be in a conference with aggy. Hell, Slive didn't want aggy and more than we did. He wanted into the Texas market. Aggy was a big program that wouldn't upset the conference's power structure by winning a lot, so they took them.

I seriously thing un-bundling of cable programming is what sets off major realignment. When that comes, SECN can't make subscribers pay if they don't want the channel and the way you upgrade the quality of the channel is to dump crappy content (and crappy teams) .

I wouldn't be shocked if in our lifetimes we saw a major division of 64 teams with a true playoff and relegation to dump underperformers and allowed upstarts a way to be part of the championship equation if they perform over time. That concentrates the big money with the valuable schools and allows everyone a path to the bigtime.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I wouldn't be shocked if in our lifetimes we saw a major division of 64 teams with a true playoff and relegation to dump underperformers and allowed upstarts a way to be part of the championship equation if they perform over time. That concentrates the big money with the valuable schools and allows everyone a path to the bigtime.

An arrangement similar to English Premier League futbol? Underperforming/drawing teams are relegated outside the privileged 64?

 

[GetHooked]

Slive would override it. There's no way any conference turns us down.

 

[Randolph Duke]

An arrangement similar to English Premier League futbol? Underperforming/drawing teams are relegated outside the privileged 64?

Yep. Remember, the unequal revenue split in the Big 12 was that everyone got a chunk but the schools who generated the most revenue by being on tv the most got more money. It was an arrangement that rewarded schools the invested in facilitles, got the best recruits and fielded the better teams (this was all fine with aggy until they quite investing in the facilities, hired coaches on the cheap and couldn't keep up with UT and OU. When that happened, they realized they weren't going to be receiving an oversized, unequal share and then they demanded the only fair method was equal revenue sharing).

If conference networks are paid on a demand basis and not on a per cable system subscriber basis, conference networks are not going to make money. To generate revenues, restructuring will have to happen. I can see a premier division with its own tv package showing 6 division games and the schools marketing the 6 non-division games individually or in groups and t premier division playoff. In this system, traditional rivalries can be maintained and and anti-trust problems are avoided because in theory every team has a shot to get moved up and to compete for the championship. Bigger schools better monetize the value of their rights and smaller schools more often play similar schools so the games are more competitive and will gain more attention (and revenue). We also get away from the 80-3 scores of crap games where the lack of a playoff encourages teams to avoid scheduling quality opponents OOC.

 

[tshirtfan12]

Good God Randolph Duke put away the crack pipe for a little bit. Have you been pleased with 1 top ten Directors cup finish in the last 4 years by UT athletics? I know no alumni that is pleased with this.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Good God Randolph Duke put away the crack pipe for a little bit. Have you been pleased with 1 top ten Directors cup finish in the last 4 years by UT athletics? I know no alumni that is pleased with this.

What the fu@k is a Director's Cup? I have never heard of a recruit wanting to play for a given school because it game him a better shot of winning a Director's Cup. Is the Director's Cup some award the aggys made up so they could award themselves something to fill their empty trophy cases?

 

[tshirtfan12]

What the fu@k is a Director's Cup? I have never heard of a recruit wanting to play for a given school because it game him a better shot of winning a Director's Cup. Is the Director's Cup some award the aggys made up so they could award themselves something to fill their empty trophy cases?

That just shows your ignorance on two fronts. Directors Cup ranks all NCAA school's athletic programs both men and women. Stanford has won 19 straight.