Tom Herman

[Rotty22]

http://texas.247sports.com/Bolt/Oddsmakers-arent-confident-Charlie-Strong-keeps-job-at-Texas-49013408

art briles?  you've got to be kidding.

 

[Bob Barker 007]

charlie's been very successful at turning this program back around.  he's done really well recruiting in the 2 full cycles he's been here; and did a great job salvaging a class in his first year.

he got rid of players that didn't want to be here or that didn't follow the rules.

it hasn't translated into too many wins on the field so far but i'm patient.  i'm willing to give him at least another year.  his players will be upperclassman next year.

there's no guarantee that herman will have any success at Texas.

That's not a conclusion that can be made at this time. 6-7, 6-7, 5-5 is by no means a turnaround. Strong has not earned those wins with his coaching, with his assistant coaches, nor his in-game strategic decisions. Only the recruits he has brought in have gotten Texas some wins, but certainly not enough to save Strong's job. Herman has shown the ability to coach up what he has and make better strategic decisions. Todd Orlando, Herman's defensive coordinator, has done a much better job with less talent than Strong and Bedford. 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

charlie's been very successful at turning this program back around.  he's done really well recruiting in the 2 full cycles he's been here; and did a great job salvaging a class in his first year.

he got rid of players that didn't want to be here or that didn't follow the rules.

it hasn't translated into too many wins on the field so far but i'm patient.  i'm willing to give him at least another year.  his players will be upperclassman next year.

there's no guarantee that herman will have any success at Texas.

Strong having an older team is not going to solve these problems

1. Kicking off to begin game and after half

2. Clock management

3. Declining and accepting penalties

4. Leading the nation in kicks blocked (FG)

5. Hiring assistant coaches

6. Hiring Watson

7. Retaining Bruce Chambers

8. under .500 in the awful Big 12

9. 5 wins out of 16 against teams with a winning record

10. 24-0 IOWA STATE

 

[utparothed]

Strong having an older team is not going to solve these problems

1. Kicking off to begin game and after half

2. Clock management

3. Declining and accepting penalties

4. Leading the nation in kicks blocked (FG)

5. Hiring assistant coaches

6. Hiring Watson

7. Retaining Bruce Chambers

8. under .500 in the awful Big 12

9. 5 wins out of 16 against teams with a winning record

10. 24-0 IOWA STATE

1. That's happened once and I'd bet good money that Charlie was embarrassed enough to make sure that it never happens again

2. Totally agree on that one...he needs to work on it

3. Ditto...to a lesser degree

4. True but misleading...we're tied for 2nd in the nation in blocking kicks with 5, 6th in blocked punts with 2

5. He should've been a little more selective at the beginning, I think that loyalty had a little to do with bad choices.  I think that his last two hires have been a marked improvement.

6. Irrelevant...Watson's gone

7. Irrelevant...Chambers was gone after the 2014 season

8. Definitely needs to improve

9. Ditto

10. We beat them 27-6 this year...problem solved. 

 

[Rotty22]

That's not a conclusion that can be made at this time. 6-7, 6-7, 5-5 is by no means a turnaround. Strong has not earned those wins with his coaching, with his assistant coaches, nor his in-game strategic decisions. Only the recruits he has brought in have gotten Texas some wins, but certainly not enough to save Strong's job. Herman has shown the ability to coach up what he has and make better strategic decisions. Todd Orlando, Herman's defensive coordinator, has done a much better job with less talent than Strong and Bedford. 

my entire posts enumerates what he's been very successful at.  i specifically stated that it hasn't translated into many wins on the field.  so based on the things that i enumerated, he's been very successful.

herman is coming from the same competitive level that strong came from, louisville, houston.  strong was also successful at louisville, similar but better than herman.

for me, it would be hard to compare what houston has done defensively to what Texas has done.  the competition is different.  if we were playing the same teams, then we could make that comparison (apples to apples).  right now, all you can do is compare stats, which is against different levels of competition.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

The anti-Herman crowd is going to go crazy Thursday night when Houston beats Louisville Louisville stomps the ever living crap out of Houston.

 

[Rotty22]

The anti-Herman crowd is going to go crazy Thursday night when Houston beats Louisville Louisville stomps the ever living crap out of Houston.

i'm not anti-herman but why wait until thurs.

herman will get out-coached by lamar jackson

 

[North Texas Golfer]

i'm not anti-herman but why wait until thurs.

herman will get out-coached by lamar jackson

This is what I should have said.

The anti-herman, pro-charlie crowd will go crazy after Louisville stomps Houston and Texas stomps Kansas.

And your last sentence seems to have gone completely over my head. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

The anti-Herman crowd is going to go crazy Thursday night when Houston beats Louisville Louisville stomps the ever living crap out of Houston.

#EatEmUp, Coogs!

 

[Bob Barker 007]

This is what I should have said.

The anti-herman, pro-charlie crowd will go crazy after Louisville stomps Houston and Texas stomps Kansas.

And your last sentence seems to have gone completely over my head. 

That would be incorrect, and that would also be jumping to conclusions. I don't think the fans calling for Herman are thinking in that way. My issues with Strong are secular and not short-term oriented. I do not care what happens with Louisville or Texas this week. The same issues that have plagued Strong the last three seasons are not going to magically change in one weekend. The same is true for why Herman remains a good coach. Look at UH's offensive line. It has to be one of the worst in the nation, yet the fact of the matter is that UH still won the Peach Bowl last season and is 8-2 this year. Not sure why that would be considered a bad season even with their losses. 

 

[Bob Barker 007]

i'm not anti-herman but why wait until thurs.

herman will get out-coached by lamar jackson

How does that make any sense? Does that mean that Pete Carroll was a bad coach at USC because he got "outcoached by Vince Young?" 

 

[Bob Barker 007]

my entire posts enumerates what he's been very successful at.  i specifically stated that it hasn't translated into many wins on the field.  so based on the things that i enumerated, he's been very successful.

herman is coming from the same competitive level that strong came from, louisville, houston.  strong was also successful at louisville, similar but better than herman.

for me, it would be hard to compare what houston has done defensively to what Texas has done.  the competition is different.  if we were playing the same teams, then we could make that comparison (apples to apples).  right now, all you can do is compare stats, which is against different levels of competition.

I don't think "success" can be defined as the things that Charlie Strong has done that do not translate into wins on the football field. Certainly, your definition of success does not change what actual success is to the vast majority of fans: wins on the football field, conference championships, and national championships. By that more standard definition, Strong has been an abject failure, not a success. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

http://tomherman-texasfootball.com/

 

[DMAC]

Herman has done a lot more with a lot less in half the time than Charlie has....nuff said

I have cooled my jets on Herman after his interview last year where he was a total jackass.  That being said one has to wonder how well Herman would be doing this year with the resources and talent the horns have.

 

[RickyFlair]

The new coach must be one of the top 5 in the game (whoever that would be)not someone with potential. We should not lower the standard unless we are willing to lower the standard by which they will be judged. I admit that I have lowered my standard for Charlie Strong for three reasons; I like him as a person, I believe he will be successful(again), and he is black... just kidding (I mean he is black but that's not the third reason), I do not believe the decision makers are prepared to do what is necessary to bring in a top 5 coach. We have lost to Cal by 7 (inexcusable), K-State by 3 (Snyder has our number), #11 OK State by 18, #9 OU by 5, and #14 WV by 6. Its not where I want us to be but its better than it could be or has been. Fire Strong tomorrow but bring in a Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh, type replacement.

 

[Rotty22]

I don't think "success" can be defined as the things that Charlie Strong has done that do not translate into wins on the football field. Certainly, your definition of success does not change what actual success is to the vast majority of fans: wins on the football field, conference championships, and national championships. By that more standard definition, Strong has been an abject failure, not a success. 

the wins (successes) in the recruiting field have translated into wins (successes) on the football field.  the championships will come.  let charlie's players get into the leadership/upperclassman positions.  he's building a really good team.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

the wins (successes) in the recruiting field have translated into wins (successes) on the football field.  the championships will come.  let charlie's players get into the leadership/upperclassman positions.  he's building a really good team.

Huh?

 

[longhorn_mig]

The new coach must be one of the top 5 in the game (whoever that would be)not someone with potential. We should not lower the standard unless we are willing to lower the standard by which they will be judged. I admit that I have lowered my standard for Charlie Strong for three reasons; I like him as a person, I believe he will be successful(again), and he is black... just kidding (I mean he is black but that's not the third reason), I do not believe the decision makers are prepared to do what is necessary to bring in a top 5 coach. We have lost to Cal by 7 (inexcusable), K-State by 3 (Snyder has our number), #11 OK State by 18, #9 OU by 5, and #14 WV by 6. Its not where I want us to be but its better than it could be or has been. Fire Strong tomorrow but bring in a Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh, type replacement.

That would be nice, but it's not in the cards. We're not going to get that type of replacement.

 

[Rotty22]

we've had 2 really good recruiting classes, would you agree?  success.

we've won some games.  not as much as everyone would hope.  but we've won some games.  success!!

 

[North Texas Golfer]

we've had 2 really good recruiting classes, would you agree?  success.

we've won some games.  not as much as everyone would hope.  but we've won some games.  success!!

I agree that having 2 really good recruiting classes falls into the "success" category. 

But if you really consider winning "some" games as success, I really don't know what to say, other than WTF?