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McPhaul... El Mahico on OB claiming new leader?

LMAO! i took the orange pill long long ago.
The real estate deals are rumors from what ive been able to establish. Nothing in papers or being spewed by the bammers. Their boosters would've covered the losses Im sure. And as for the challenges, I think that would definitely be the case if he was 52 and not 62 with a roster full of NFL talent and championships just waiting to be won with that talent. From the bammers perspective, they said to me to look at how he's acted over the years and how much he's lightened up, smiles, jumps in the aj's arms, that he really seems to be happy and has total control over that program from top to bottom. he's got a well oiled machine where all the current players have bought in and the new ones either do so or get weeded out quick. I can definitely see where they are coming from. I WISH im wrong but for the life of me i just dont see him making that move and if he was that only one side would be having talk of it. We shall see tho. Im sure we will get a top notch HC regardless tho and be back competing for NC's like god intended.
Not really knowing what your agenda is, but it is certain you are simply speculating - supported by nothing. I WILL say this if you are a Bama, Bellmont or OB supporter, which it appears you are one of them. There is a big old train headed your way - it's called the heartbreak train. Sorry. :)

 
Not really knowing what your agenda is, but it is certain you are simply speculating - supported by nothing. I WILL say this if you are a Bama, Bellmont or OB supporter, which it appears you are one of them. There is a big old train headed your way - it's called the heartbreak train. Sorry. :)
You are speculating as well my friend. Every one is that isn't named nick saban. I hate ob and the rivals network.

 
And I always require evidence beyond what some "insider" or "friend in the athletic dept". Not much of what the they are saying adds up past what they want to put out there. Something like this wouldn't be talked about solely on forums.

 
I have to admit if Saban is not coming here there sure is a lot of something going on. It just does not make any sense but it sure is fun.
That's why it's ridiculous to think this whole dramatic exercise, of Saban to UT, was choreographed for the explicit purpose to squeeze more money from Bama. Particularly if Saban wanted a raise. Because all he had to do was tell his agent to tell Bama he wanted one and there would be no negotiation over it.

Everyone needs to get "we are being played" out of their minds - that simply isn't the case.

 
You do know what an agents job is don't you? Our people asked.he listened.end of story . nothing else except what insiders have said. He wasn't trying to squeeze money after all his contract didn't change. I'll start thinking there is smoke when the guys at work start getting worried or even talk about anything. There's not much insiders can prove. I don't think we are getting played cause I don't think it's ever reached that point.

 
Not really knowing what your agenda is, but it is certain you are simply speculating - supported by nothing. I WILL say this if you are a Bama, Bellmont or OB supporter, which it appears you are one of them. There is a big old train headed your way - it's called the heartbreak train. Sorry. :)
Actually, he may not be far off, at all. Everyone isn't buying the Saban to Texas talk. I'm one of them as well. As bad as I want to believe it, I just don't see it happening. I do hope it does, even though if it does it doesn't guarantee anything as far as wins and championships go.

 
You do know what an agents job is don't you? Our people asked.he listened.end of story . nothing else except what insiders have said. He wasn't trying to squeeze money after all his contract didn't change. I'll start thinking there is smoke when the guys at work start getting worried or even talk about anything. There's not much insiders can prove. I don't think we are getting played cause I don't think it's ever reached that point.
While I've always believed that opinions offered freely are far more valuable than those solicited, I draw the line when it becomes rhetoric, and motivated agenda. But, thanks for the effort.

 
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So if we contacted him first, then we received permission as you stated that we needed to do?

 
Actually, he may not be far off, at all. Everyone isn't buying the Saban to Texas talk. I'm one of them as well. As bad as I want to believe it, I just don't see it happening. I do hope it does, even though if it does it doesn't guarantee anything as far as wins and championships go.
Christ, send me your address and I will send you the 9.95. lol

 
You do know what an agents job is don't you? Our people asked.he listened.end of story . nothing else except what insiders have said. He wasn't trying to squeeze money after all his contract didn't change. I'll start thinking there is smoke when the guys at work start getting worried or even talk about anything. There's not much insiders can prove. I don't think we are getting played cause I don't think it's ever reached that point.
You are wrong in saying you have to be Saban to know what he wants to do. You COULD be the person that he told, personally, he would accept the job only if Mack Brown is gone. Would you consider that person a speculator?

Look, I have no problem with someone opining a different opinion than mine or others. That's what these kinds of forums are for - opinions and discussions. Also, I have many friends from Louisiana, Georgia and Alabama and almost to a man (and woman) they believe this whole Saban to Texas rumor is just Sexton's ploy to get more money from Bama. That's why I commented on this mantra being ridiculous. Because it is.

 
You are wrong in saying you have to be Saban to know what he wants to do. You COULD be the person that he told, personally, he would accept the job only if Mack Brown is gone. Would you consider that person a speculator? Look, I have no problem with someone opining a different opinion than mine or others. That's what these kinds of forums are for - opinions and discussions. Also, I have many friends from Louisiana, Georgia and Alabama and almost to a man (and woman) they believe this whole Saban to Texas rumor is just Sexton's ploy to get more money from Bama. That's why I commented on this mantra being ridiculous. Because it is.
Again, that's not something that has been verified. It's speculation that he said that to his agent. I've yet to see anyone go on record outside of an "insiders" saying that this was said. We still don't have an official opening for Macks job and conflicting rumors about his "retirement". Nothing the insiders have said has come to pass.they got the ad wrong already. When some of the stuff they say start coming to fruition then they will have some credibility lined up with this story. Until then they are the ones blowing the smoke.

 
Actually, he may not be far off, at all. Everyone isn't buying the Saban to Texas talk. I'm one of them as well. As bad as I want to believe it, I just don't see it happening. I do hope it does, even though if it does it doesn't guarantee anything as far as wins and championships go.
Actually, I fall into your camp. My disbelief in Saban coming here has always been centered around the motivation - or lack of it. Why would he feel the need? I never believed money whipping him was the answer, feeling he was already amply wealthy. I didn't buy the so called "challenge" either. He has plenty of that at Bama. As far as his wife, he is the principal money winner and she goes where her husband goes - as it should be.

But there is some new info that has now caused me to believe there may really be legs to Saban coming to UT - and that is money, or Sabans need for it. People that aren't millionairs should realize that everything is relative. Knowing that a man is worth 10 - 15 million doesn't tell the whole story. Wealth is predicated on standard of living and I suspect the Sabans live very well indeed. In fact, I would wager their current wealth is simply not enough security for them. Particularly if they have lost, as it has been reported, the bulk of their investment income.

Basically, they need more - a lot more. And Texas has it. Now that is motivation that could convince me he is Texas bound.

 
Again, that's not something that has been verified. It's speculation that he said that to his agent. I've yet to see anyone go on record outside of an "insiders" saying that this was said. We still don't have an official opening for Macks job and conflicting rumors about his "retirement". Nothing the insiders have said has come to pass.they got the ad wrong already. When some of the stuff they say start coming to fruition then they will have some credibility lined up with this story. Until then they are the ones blowing the smoke.
Until Saban actually comes here it will always be speculation - particularly if you aren't privy to the private discussions which neither you or I are. I find it interesting, however, you are more willing to believe your co-workers as the gospel and not the UT blogs. This is what makes you seem to have an agenda.

As far as going on record - it's on record, as reported even by the AP, that Hicks met with Sabans agent and was convinced he was coming here enough to query Mack as to when he was going to retire. It's also on public record that Sabans wife has bought a house in Austin.

It's on record that Saban lost money in a Louisiana deal as well.

It's true that it's not on record, yet, that Saban has said he is coming to Austin - but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....

 
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Until Saban actually comes here it will always be speculation - particularly if you aren't privy to the private discussions which neither you or I are. I find it interesting, however, you are more willing to believe your co-workers as the gospel and not the UT blogs. This is what makes you seem to have an agenda.
As far as going on record - it's on record, as reported even by the AP, that Hicks met with Sabans agent and was convinced he was coming here enough to query Mack as to when he was going to retire. It's also on public record that Sabans wife has bought a house in Austin.

It's on record that Saban lost money in a Louisiana deal as well.

It's true that it's not on record, yet, that Saban has said he is coming to Austin - but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....
It's not that I believe theirs more than ours.its that it's not even being talked about and something like this would be talked about by both sides if there were any truth.its also public record that they bought a house in Baton Rouge last year too but you don't see LSU fans jumping to conclusions.its also a known fact that their son lives in Austin and recently got married. A wedding gift perhaps? The ap only reported what they know that they spoke and that was it.if they were still speaking it would have been in the ap by now and not relegated to ut forums. There is no proof that they have lost a substantial amount of money. That's another claim made only on the forums. My agenda is simple. Don't get my hopes up for something that has no evidence beyond the fact that his agent was approached by us, he listened, and obviously Saban said if I were to move UT would be it. That in no way means that he ever intends to do so. I'll get into a frenzy when we are given something substantial and verifiable. Insiders at paysites.there have an Agenda. That's getting ut brethren to join their sites for this insider information. That's worth it with recruits but with coaches that have clauses were the coaches institution must be asked permission to speak to said coach it would be well known by both camps that there are talks.since it's only our boards I think we are the ones getting played.

 
"Okay. We will have to agree to disagree here.i don't think mcphaul or any one else has anything to lose by saying Saban is 100%. All they have to say is that something changed and we went a different route. If this was very real it would be in the very real world of national media and not on forums."

This is exactly right. The 100% guarantee unless something changes was freaking hilarious. Use some common sense people. Do you guys really believe that all of these "insiders" have scooped Vegas? Why are the odds of saban to Texas so long?

 
some major power players at UT involved in the coaching situation feel really good about their chances. They must have a reason for that beyond blind hope and praying. Thats where this info is coming from. I've seen some things reported from the Alabama side of things too. I have no idea about the Vegas odds.

 
some major power players at UT involved in the coaching situation feel really good about their chances. They must have a reason for that beyond blind hope and praying. Thats where this info is coming from. I've seen some things reported from the Alabama side of things too. I have no idea about the Vegas odds.
That of course is assuming that there will be a HC opening in Austin. The insider's info about macks retirement on the 2nd has yet come to pass. They are acting like Auburn did with the Tubberville/Petrino incident a few years ago. I'd like to think we run our ship a little better then letting people outside the AD discussing very serious job offers to other coaches. That hasnt happened. The insiders may feel good that Saban is a guy that they would approach but I highly doubt anything has been set in motion yet since that would be LEAKED immediately to ALL major news outlets. Come on, we are Texas, that is NEWS. I'll be skeptical until at least ONE thing the insiders says will happen, happens. Im not saying theres not a scenario where Saban does come to UT. but with the way things stand currently i find that HIGHLY unlikely and find it highly unlikely that there wouldnt be smoke on their side as well. There is none, there is no evidence to support anything they say.

 
there have been back channel talks going on since last year. the AD at Texas doesnt personally hire the head coach, so no one should expect he would be the only one discussing things with someone. I'm sure Patterson would be involved when its time to walk someone to the finish line buts its mainly the BMD/power brokers who hire head football coaches at Texas and its been that way for a long time

 
Mack isn't coming back. If he returns I swear I won't post on this or any other site for the entire season. There's not a chance in hell that Mack is allowed to return next season. It's just not feasible unless the powers to be just completely want to run this program 6 feet under. One more year of Mack would massacre any chances of recruiting and leave the cupboard even more bare for whoever replaces him. It's incomprehensible at this point.

That said, as much as I want Saban and want to believe I just don't see how the logistics work. Mack isn't going to be on board. He wants nothing to do with a coach that is going to come in and make him look like the incompetent coach that he is. So he's not going to sit around until nearly the 2nd week of January to give us cover without a coach. If he says he's going to retire following the Tech game like has been rumored how are we going to be able to keep Saban under wraps for an entire month while the biggest job in the country is open? I just don't see how that can happen. ESPN and every other major sports news carrier are going to have people staking out Austin to keep tabs on whats going on. And with so many admins potentially fixing to lose their job when Mack leaves you don't think they are going to look to sabotage a potential deal with someone Mack doesn't want replacing him? Their loyalties are with Mack, not Texas, and they will anonymously leak BS every other day.

The best thing that could happen is Auburn beating Alabama in the Iron Bowl and ended Saban's quest for a 3rd straight title. A 'Bama loss in that game basically renders any bowl game they play in as meaningless, especially since a loss to Auburn would put the Tigers in the SEC title game and potentially knock Bama completely out of the BCS. That would allow Saban to move to Austin much quicker and on a much more reasonable timetable.

But I guess if Patterson could potentially look to the NFL for Mack's successor (Harbaugh? Harbaugh? Tomlin?) the earliest that we could hire one of those guys would be the end of December so it's only a week earlier anyway. Given his ties to the NFL I don't know if that would be a bad option either. So maybe waiting another week or two wouldn't be all that bad as it is.

 
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