Herman to LSU

[inanehorn]

Yurachek said he and Herman's agent, Trace Armstrong, communicated regularly throughout November as the contract negotiation process ..

Herman's agent is Trace Armstrong who also represents Urban Meyer, Kevin Sumlin, James Franklin and a whole slew of college and

Houston Cougars head coach Tom Herman shown with the ACC West ... with Herman's agent, Trace Armstrong of Creative Artists Agency.

So it would appear Trace Armstrong is his agent, which would make sense why Sexton would steer us to others.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Trace Armstrong was a bad MF when he played for the Dolphins

 

[Juan]

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

 

[DBut82]

Just curious, what would it need to look like for how long before you would be ready to let Strong go? 

Considering the complete tear down and rebuild he's undertaking, I'm all for giving him 4 years. By then he's working with his recruits and his staff should be nailed down. He's changed the culture and he's brought in some savages. I think we should let him finish what he's started. By the end of the 2017 season if the foundation he's laid isn't producing on field results, then get him out of here

 

[Embrey]

Considering the complete tear down and rebuild he's undertaking, I'm all for giving him 4 years. By then he's working with his recruits and his staff should be nailed down. He's changed the culture and he's brought in some savages. I think we should let him finish what he's started. By the end of the 2017 season if the foundation he's laid isn't producing on field results, then get him out of here

The only problem with your reasonable plan is that he might succeed in year 4. One might get the impression that some people never wanted Charlie in the first place. But who am I kidding? Everybody loves Charlie.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Considering the complete tear down and rebuild he's undertaking, I'm all for giving him 4 years. By then he's working with his recruits and his staff should be nailed down. He's changed the culture and he's brought in some savages. I think we should let him finish what he's started. By the end of the 2017 season if the foundation he's laid isn't producing on field results, then get him out of here

Just a couple of things to ponder over.

Was a "complete" tear down absolutely necessary?

Yes, he's changed the culture, but...has he or is he building new culture?

I don't think these 2 questions have the obvious answers that everyone thinks they do. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Considering the complete tear down and rebuild he's undertaking, I'm all for giving him 4 years. By then he's working with his recruits and his staff should be nailed down. He's changed the culture and he's brought in some savages. I think we should let him finish what he's started. By the end of the 2017 season if the foundation he's laid isn't producing on field results, then get him out of here

A couple of questions.

Do you think that he should get 4 years regardless of his record this year?

Based on what we've seen so far, what makes you think that his staff will be nailed down in year 4?

 

[Rotty22]

i've always stated that charlie needs to get his players in the leadership positions.  some of his players will be upperclassmen next year.  this next recruiting cycle will be his 3rd full recruiting cycle.  i'm good with keeping him another year.

the fear is that buechele gets hurt and our offense takes a big hit.  i don't think we succeed with swoopes in there full time.

 

[DBut82]

Just a couple of things to ponder over.

Was a "complete" tear down absolutely necessary?

Yes, he's changed the culture, but...has he or is he building new culture?

I don't think these 2 questions have the obvious answers that everyone thinks they do. 

My personal opinion? Yes, a complete tear down was necessary. We were all sick of the entitlement and soft label associated with this program.

Yes, he's building a new culture. But like anything else it takes time to for what's being built to be realized. I don't think we can claim to be reasonable and expect the type of rebuild that's been started to be finished in 2 1/2 years.

And I agree, the answers I've given are just my simplistic  and "obvious" view of the situation and the answers probably are much deeper

 

[DBut82]

A couple of questions.

Do you think that he should get 4 years regardless of his record this year?

Based on what we've seen so far, what makes you think that his staff will be nailed down in year 4?

Yes, I honestly believe that he should get 4 years regardless.  In my opinion, that goes for any and every new head coach in college football.  Mainly because a new hc should be allowed to work with his own recruits.

Based on what I've seen, no. But, he does seem to learn from his "mistakes" and he will fix them; although begrudgingly it appears. Meaning, not being associated with the Big 12, he had no reason to believe, based on his success everywhere else, most importantly UL, that his offense ran by Watson wouldn't work here.  After realizing it wouldn't, he changed it. I think what he's realizing now is that the defense the way Bedford runs it, just isn't going to work. I fully expect it'll get better as the season progresses (face it, the guy has won a NC calling defense) and he'll address that side of the ball this offseason if given the chance.  By next year, I really believe everything will truly come together.  At least that's my hope...

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Kudos to Dbut82.

I don't necessarily agree with him but I have all the respect in the world for his well-reasoned, thoughtful responses to my questions. 

 

[Bear19]

Yes, I honestly believe that he should get 4 years regardless. In my opinion, that goes for any and every new head coach in college football. Mainly because a new hc should be allowed to work with his own recruits.

Based on what I've seen, no. But, he does seem to learn from his "mistakes" and he will fix them; although begrudgingly it appears. Meaning, not being associated with the Big 12, he had no reason to believe, based on his success everywhere else, most importantly UL, that his offense ran by Watson wouldn't work here. After realizing it wouldn't, he changed it. I think what he's realizing now is that the defense the way Bedford runs it, just isn't going to work. I fully expect it'll get better as the season progresses (face it, the guy has won a NC calling defense) and he'll address that side of the ball this offseason if given the chance. By next year, I really believe everything will truly come together. At least that's my hope...

I disagree. He did not fix it. He brought back Watson for a second year and was forced to change after the first game of that year. That's entirely on him.

Coaches who have a achieved long-term success have turn things around much faster than he. In fact there is no evidence that he has turned anything around in terms of results on the field. You could make a better argument we have gone backwards.

It should go without saying that I hope we never lose another game and my current opinion is proved to be bullshit. That would not be the first

time. But I have totally lost confidence in Charlie Strong's ability to produce a national championship quality contender.

And PS. It was very obvious after last year that Bedford's defense was not working. So he makes the same mistake twice. And don't get me started about special teams.

 

[DBut82]

I disagree. He did not fix it. He brought back Watson for a second year and was forced to change after the first game of that year. That's entirely on him.

Coaches who have a achieved long-term success have turn things around much faster than he. In fact there is no evidence that he has turned anything around in terms of results on the field. You could make a better argument we have gone backwards.

It should go without saying that I hope we never lose another game and my current opinion is proved to be bullshit. That would not be the first

time. But I have totally lost confidence in Charlie Strong's ability to produce a national championship quality contender.

And PS. It was very obvious after last year that Bedford's defense was not working. So he makes the same mistake twice. And don't get me started about special teams.

He did actually "fix" it.  Just not in the way or manner in which we thought he should.  End result tho is that we have a totally new offense unlike anything he's ever been associated with. Was he actually "forced" to do it? Probably, just as he's "forced" to make the change with Bedford.  But ultimately, the offensive "problem" was handled and I expect the same to happen with the defense.

I can honestly say that I'm not broken up with how these changes came or are coming about.  And can definitely appreciate his loyalty to the ones he brought with him.  I can understand holding on to what's always worked for him.  But I do believe that he's doing the best he can and he's proven that he can be successful.  In the long run, and by long run I mean the rest of this season and all of next, I think a lot of what we're upset about will be a distant memory.

I get it.  The high of beating Notre Dame in an instant classic to the low of losing to Cal & Okie Lite has us all like W-T-F!!! And as hc the blame is placed on his shoulders.  But I'm willing to give it more time because I'm not exactly sure anyone of us truly have an idea of what this guy walked into and how he's truly going about righting the ship. And at the end of the 2017 season if we're sitting at 6-6, 7-5, hell 8-4, ya know, mediocre, then I'm all for getting someone to come in and finish the job.  And whoever that may be, I'll be all for giving him 4 years to have this program headed back to prominence...

 

[Bear19]

He did actually "fix" it. Just not in the way or manner in which we thought he should. End result tho is that we have a totally new offense unlike anything he's ever been associated with. Was he actually "forced" to do it? Probably, just as he's "forced" to make the change with Bedford. But ultimately, the offensive "problem" was handled and I expect the same to happen with the defense.

I can honestly say that I'm not broken up with how these changes came or are coming about. And can definitely appreciate his loyalty to the ones he brought with him. I can understand holding on to what's always worked for him. But I do believe that he's doing the best he can and he's proven that he can be successful. In the long run, and by long run I mean the rest of this season and all of next, I think a lot of what we're upset about will be a distant memory.

I get it. The high of beating Notre Dame in an instant classic to the low of losing to Cal & Okie Lite has us all like W-T-F!!! And as hc the blame is placed on his shoulders. But I'm willing to give it more time because I'm not exactly sure anyone of us truly have an idea of what this guy walked into and how he's truly going about righting the ship. And at the end of the 2017 season if we're sitting at 6-6, 7-5, hell 8-4, ya know, mediocre, then I'm all for getting someone to come in and finish the job. And whoever that may be, I'll be all for giving him 4 years to have this program headed back to prominence...

That is a logical opinion if you believe Charlie Strong sooner or later will get it done. Obviously you do.

I don't. We shall see.

 

[Embrey]

Without the best players, Texas cannot win the national championship.

The last 3 years of Mack's tenure was due, in the most part, to deteriorating talent as a result of Texas' failure to recruit and sign the best players in the state. The reason for the 'soft' label was due to the disconnect between the level of recruits everybody wanted to believe Texas was signing and their actual talent level.

Enter Charlie Strong.

The recruiting is going in the right direction. (Remember ERRRBODY?)

So the weakness with Charlie was scheme and fundamentals.

Exit Watson. Enter Gilbert.

Would you say the Texas offense now lacks firepower, scheme or fundamentals?

Exit Bedford. Enter ?

With the proper scheme and coordinator on defense I have to assume 2017 will be far superior to 2016.

The tricky thing is the DC is going to want a lot of money and control since Charlie could be gone after 2017.

So, if you like UH's DC, you have probably upgraded from the current. Also, if you end up hiring Herman, his defense is already in place.

 

[Bear19]

I just do not want to roll the dice again in 2017. I'm tired of "snake eyes".

 

[North Texas Golfer]

My personal opinion? Yes, a complete tear down was necessary. We were all sick of the entitlement and soft label associated with this program.

Yes, he's building a new culture. But like anything else it takes time to for what's being built to be realized. I don't think we can claim to be reasonable and expect the type of rebuild that's been started to be finished in 2 1/2 years.

And I agree, the answers I've given are just my simplistic  and "obvious" view of the situation and the answers probably are much deeper

I wonder if Saban or Meyer would have done a complete tear down?

I'm guessing not.

 

[dillohorn]

Why would next season be any better than this one? I don't want to hear about the "youth excuse" either. Three seasons and it is still a full blown dumpster inferno.

 

[mctmatt]

Just for the sake of arguement who is to say that Herman's Defensive Coordinator will come to Texas especially if he is handed the reins at UH. I think he would get the offer before Major. 

 

[NWAHorn]

Why would we want a DC who just got torched by Navy?