Basketball News/Recruiting Thread

[BWilk55]

This is why we have due process and jury trials. Sounds like you have already made your mind up.

Due process and jury trials occur after an arrest, not before. 

I really stated nothing regarding my thoughts on the matter, though based on what we have seen in the report and the fact that a family violence specialist agreed with the arrest, I think it would take something very substantial on these recordings that Beard has to prove his innocence. 

It would take a complete resolution for the university to keep Beard. Even if legally it gets settled out of court - this would fall under behavior detrimental to the university.

 

[tejasrulz]

I have. And no it doesn't. Have you ever been accused of something you didn't do? I have and it's a helpless feeling when whoever is in authority takes the other side. The only thing the police report does is quote her accusations. I know they won't come out and say they have physical evidence that he committed the crime. But until the conclusion of the trial or a dismissal we need to with hold judgement. I really don't want to get in a argument, but abuse goes the other way more often than you think.

I know someone who was accused of something horrendous they didn't do. The accuser was a female and her story changed several times while theirs's never changed. They were eventually found not guilty, but it was a terrible ordeal for them and their family.  So based on that, I feel for you because I know what they went through. Be that said, from what is out there it paints a bleak picture for Coach Beard however he does deserve his day in court.

Gotta imagine with what she reported, the officers were able to have a decent idea how valid the report was. The report even mentions that a family violence specialist made the decision to make the arrest. 

At the end of the day, it's better and safer that women are believed in these situations instead of thinking they may be lying their asses off. That is how women end up dead in these scenarios.

Not always, look at the Duke situation. A lot of young men had their lives ruined or tainted very bad because a female lied. See the above reply by me and it was clear the woman lied. Not all women tell the truth and sadly that can affect the ones who do.

 

[TexCoyote]

Unless Beard didn’t do any of what’s alleged, then it’s going to be hard for CDC to keep him. I’m talking he did zero. Domestic violence is a very serious thing as it should be. I read report that Beard has audio that he didn’t start it. It doesn’t matter, as a man you can’t retaliate. You have to get in your car and leave. We don’t know yet but it’s pretty simple…….if she has bruising, bit marks, bleeding etc….then it is done. It’s not his word against hers if she has any of that. 

 

[83Dee]

I actually suggested Drew years ago, I wouldn't be upset with this pick.

He’s unpopular amongst other coaches…. But his resume is actually better than Beard’s.  

 

[Wayne]

Unless Beard didn’t do any of what’s alleged, then it’s going to be hard for CDC to keep him. I’m talking he did zero. Domestic violence is a very serious thing as it should be. I read report that Beard has audio that he didn’t start it. It doesn’t matter, as a man you can’t retaliate. You have to get in your car and leave. We don’t know yet but it’s pretty simple…….if she has bruising, bit marks, bleeding etc….then it is done. It’s not his word against hers if she has any of that. 

The arrest report indicated that the officers on the scene saw a bite mark on her arm.  Unless she bit her arm, I can't for the life of me figure that out without him having serious issues.  That's what toddlers do.  Not adult men.

 

[Wayne]

He’s unpopular amongst other coaches…. But his resume is actually better than Beard’s.  

A lot better.  He's been doing it for 20 years at Baylor.  Might be hard to get him out of there.  But if you could...

 

[DBut82]

The arrest report indicated that the officers on the scene saw a bite mark on her arm.  Unless she bit her arm, I can't for the life of me figure that out without him having serious issues.  That's what toddlers do.  Not adult men.

What if she had him or attempted to have him in a choke hold from behind and he bit her to get out of it?

 

[83Dee]

A lot better.  He's been doing it for 20 years at Baylor.  Might be hard to get him out of there.  But if you could...

and a natty to boot.... 

 

[Wayne]

What if she had him or attempted to have him in a choke hold from behind and he bit her to get out of it?

It’s a possibility. But he outweighs her by at least 70 lbs.  And if he could bite her she didn’t have him by the neck. She may have pissed him off, she may have slapped him, but he should have left. 

 

[83Dee]

 

[BWilk55]

I know someone who was accused of something horrendous they didn't do. The accuser was a female and her story changed several times while theirs's never changed. They were eventually found not guilty, but it was a terrible ordeal for them and their family.  So based on that, I feel for you because I know what they went through. Be that said, from what is out there it paints a bleak picture for Coach Beard however he does deserve his day in court.

Not always, look at the Duke situation. A lot of young men had their lives ruined or tainted very bad because a female lied. See the above reply by me and it was clear the woman lied. Not all women tell the truth and sadly that can affect the ones who do.

That Duke case was something way out of the norm - the prosecutor was disbarred over it.

It also wasn't a domestic abuse case. DV is very high risk given the close relationships between the victim and perpetrator. 

Again, given what Beard's fiance said, and what was observable by the Austin PD at the time, it's not surprising at all that he was arrested. That does not mean he is guilty, but enough evidence at the time to make the arrest.

 

[david ficken]

I'll  wait to see what is out there that is real because there is already alot of fake out there on this Beard stuff.

Importantly, we have a game on Sunday? With Stafford. Should be a win, but the staff and the team need to get refocus quickly. Is the knee to knee for Disu over with yet?  He hasn't been the same yet for 3 games.  What's up with with the guard play overall?  

 

[tejasrulz]

That Duke case was something way out of the norm - the prosecutor was disbarred over it.

It also wasn't a domestic abuse case. DV is very high risk given the close relationships between the victim and perpetrator. 

Again, given what Beard's fiance said, and what was observable by the Austin PD at the time, it's not surprising at all that he was arrested. That does not mean he is guilty, but enough evidence at the time to make the arrest.

I agree it looks bad for Beard.

However, I don't agree with the "Believe all women" comment. Women, like men, can lie too. Look at the facts of the case then judge but don't believe everything based on just gender.

 

[BWilk55]

I agree it looks bad for Beard.

However, I don't agree with the "Believe all women" comment. Women, like men, can lie too. Look at the facts of the case then judge but don't believe everything based on just gender.

That is not really my point. What I am saying, is that in these types of DV cases, it is better and safer to assume first off that what is being told by the victim is truthful. Do what needs to be done to ensure their safety (restraining order, arrest, forced separation) and then allow the facts to come out via investigation, trial, etc. 

Yes, if the accusations are false, you may end up with damage to the accused (innocent) party. But that still outweighs the risk of not believing the accusation and having the victim killed shortly thereafter. 

 

[83Dee]

What if she had him or attempted to have him in a choke hold from behind and he bit her to get out of it?

Or she gave him a forearm-shiver right to his teeth? 

 

[Coot]

Maybe a dingo bit her arm.

 

[Bear19]

Maybe a dingo bit her arm.

Or a molygarpin. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Did she get a shot for the bite?

According to @Bear19human bites are very dirty. Amirite?

 

[BWilk55]

Did she get a shot for the bite?

According to @Bear19human bites are very dirty. Amirite?

Human bites are the worst, the bacteria we have in our mouth are awful in a bite. Cat is next worst because the leave a deep puncture and bacteria will get trapped deeply. Dog is not as bad as they tear the skin instead of puncture like a cat.

 

[david ficken]

Human bites are the worst, the bacteria we have in our mouth are awful in a bite. Cat is next worst because the leave a deep puncture and bacteria will get trapped deeply. Dog is not as bad as they tear the skin instead of puncture like a cat.

You've never been bitten by a cat or a dog or any wild animal then have you?  To claim a cat is the 2nd worst to a person is a false statement. Even human bites don't match up to gators or crocks with bacteria. Then should I really need to explain the rodents and other animals that make us seem clean?