There’s no way you can watch Texas from 2014-2017 and say we haven’t improved under Herman. Blinded by hate.
Hermann needs to go
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No I stated the facts. I’m no Herman fan by any means but the way he is being depicted is unfair. I remember losing 50-7 to TCU under Charlie, Herman struggles, but all of his games are at least competitive. I understand you want to move on... we all do, but you gotta keep it real and stop trying to create your own history and narrative. He’s elevated the program to be better than what he inherited. I don’t know any coach who would want to coach here after all this unnecessary drama.
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QB play. That's why the last 3.5 years seem better. The defense was historically bad in that time period and has gotten worse under Herman. Combine that with his arrogance and obvious insubordination concerning CDC and 'The Eyes" controversy and you have the reason why people are bad mouthing him and wanting to kick him to the curb.
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you see.....that is the problem.ALL the games are competitive, even the ones we should win by several scores.I am not sure we could push in a 4th and goal from the 1 yd line against the Bishop Badgers.
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You are absolutely correct on both points. We are better than 2014-2017 which were historically bad for UT. I am also blinded by hate. I hate undisciplined football at the level I coach and even more at the level that UT is supposed to be at. I also hate it when any coach seems unwilling to be accountable when the product and culture they are getting paid handsomely to produce is sub par.
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You do realize he’s never won his division in the big 10 and has never won a damn thing. Hmmmm sounds familiar to last two hires...Good explanation on why Fleck would fail here. it changed my mind.
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I don't know Herman so its really hard to say I hate him. I have lost confidence in him as a coach and as the leader of a program the size and magnitude of Texas.
Herman is a better recruiter than Charlie was, but that's about all you can say tips the scales in that comparison. You could say Charlie did more with less. His classes were eye candy, but really never addressed true needs because he always started so late in the process. Herman, to his credit, has refined a pretty decent recruiting process and gives it the type of attention it deserves.
All that said, we shouldn't be eeking out wins in Lubbock with the talent he's assembled, nor should we be losing to OU when they're trotting out their worst team in a decade or more.
Like someone said above, we're "competitive" in games that should be blow outs. That's underachieving.
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Okay. Can you watch objectively and say we are developing talent, coaching the talent to play a tight disciplined game?
CTHs first year our starting RT was a true freshman who played TE in HS. it was the worst OL I’ve seen ever at Texas and there was excuse. 2020 our OL still struggles... but I guess you could say it is improved.
We’re quibbling over semantics here.
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Herman is a pretty good recruiter but I may be wrong it seems recruiting is not moving well this year. For some reason at Texas a coach can’t win with less talent. We get alot of 4 stars, a few 3 stars, and an occasional 5 star. No coach here has ever seen to be able to do more with less so recruiting better stay high or we can no chance on the field. Of course on the field effects recruiting so they kinda work together. One thing that gets me and I have commented on before is we seem late on a lot of recruits. We make less offers than all the elite programs. Herman said he wants an offer from Texas to mean something. When you get to an elite level, you might can do that but until then I want to offer the same amount of kids as Bama, Clemson, Ohio St, LSU, Notre Dame, Georgia. We need to be offering the same amount or more than these teams. I haven’t checked it this year but I’d bet we have offered way less and I know in years past we have offered less. We got to be doing what Bama and the Clemson’s of the world are doing. That’s the level we’re trying to get too
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We (Texas fans) seem to place such a high value on recruiting.... and recruiting hasn’t been a problem at Texas since the early 80s.
Our recruiting classes are ranked higher than our football teams at the end of the year with almost no exceptions.
Texas problem is not recruiting.
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Ok let’s get exactly to the crux of the Herman issue......Ed Oliver!
Because Oliver went to UH, Herman won many games. Everyone assumed Herman was a wunderkind, but in retrospect it was that no one could handle Oliver! We bought into the scam, but worse, Herman fell for it as well. He thought he was all that and so here we are. Had Oliver not had a sister at UH we might have all been saved.
Because Oliver went to UH, Herman won many games. Everyone assumed Herman was a wunderkind, but in retrospect it was that no one could handle Oliver! We bought into the scam, but worse, Herman fell for it as well. He thought he was all that and so here we are. Had Oliver not had a sister at UH we might have all been saved.
News flash: Nick Saban never won the big 10 conference either, I'm guessing you wouldn't have taken Nick after seeing his 5 year record at Mich st? he only had one good season, ONE! seems no one but myself remembers watching Saban at mich. st.. its also why i mentioned Mark Dantonio, Mark actually outperformed Nick at the same school.
I will admit that PJ Fleck's body of work is too short though, but Saban only coached at Mich St for 5 years before going to LSU and finally popping up on everyone else's radar.
on the flip side, I'm not advocating for PJ Fleck, just pointing out that this line of thinking is very short sighted in light of some facts. picking a great head coach isn't easy, its like finding the franchise qb, you do your best to use the data you have and make a pick and hope for the best, MOST of the time, it doesn't work out, if it was easy, everyone would have a great coach.
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I'm glad you have found the last three and half years to be delightful. I guess I'm just a more demanding fan than you are. Yes, I will double down on miserable which I would include the two Maryland loses losing four out of five games to OU, four years of being one of the most penalized teams, an offensive line that can't open up holes for the running game. no Big 12 titles, a miserable defense that can't tackle, a coach that had to replace practically his whole staff and all of this with recruits that other coaches can only dream of.
Right now Herman is averaging 7 wins and 5 loses a year. I find that it absurd that you took time to dispute the use of using the term absurd. You are one easy fan.
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So, your standard for a coach at UT is Charlie Strong. As long as Herman is doing better than Strong than that's just fine with you. That's just sad that you have such low standards for Herman that all he has to do is be better than Charlie.
The unnecessary drama that you speak of is because of Herman's lousy coaching. If he would win then we wouldn't have the drama.
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Get your facts straight. Fleck tied for a west title last year with Minnesota. Herman did the same his first year at UH. The guy who didn't a title since that's important to you was Mack Brown. Fleck has had success at a Power five school unlike Strong and Herman.
If it doesn't work out with Urban Meyer then Fleck should be considered when UT does a coaching search.. CBS Sports has Minnesota to win their division and one writer picks them to finish in the top 10.
In his third season, Fleck led the Golden Gophers to one of their best seasons in over half a century. They raced out to a 9-0 start, their best start since 1904. By beating #4-ranked Penn State, the Golden Gophers beat a top-five opponent at home for the first time since 1977. In November, Fleck signed a seven-year $33.25 million contract.[42] Although the Golden Gophers saw setbacks with losses against the Iowa Hawkeyes and Wisconsin Badgers, Fleck won the coaches vote Big Ten Coach of the Year, sharing the award with the media voting for Ohio State's Ryan Day.[43][44] The Gophers went on to finish the regular season 10-2, their first season with double-digit wins since 1904. By comparison, Minnesota's two winningest coaches, Hall of Famers Bernie Bierman and Murray Warmath, never won more than eight games in a season. They also tied for the Big Ten West title, the first time they had won a share of a division title since the Big Ten began divisional play. They defeated Auburn in the 2020 Outback Bowl for their 11th win, their most since 1904. The Gophers ended the year ranked 10th in the nation in both the AP and Coaches College Football polls, their highest year-end ranking since 1962
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