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What startes at Horn Sports changes the, um... Wall Street Journal

Randolph Duke

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The piece I wrote for the site about the fake aggy 12th Man claim ( http://www.hornsports.com/texas-12th-man-story-21st-man/ ) was picked up by the Wall Street Journal this week. Here is the story with the link. Feel free to share it with your aggy friends. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304428004579352693935428478

The Seahawks Pay For An Aggie Phrase

Jan. 31, 2014 10:15 p.m. ET

If you ask Seattle Seahawks fans how their team made it to the Super Bowl, they would no doubt point to the power of "the 12th man," as the raucous fan base is known. The noise generated by the crowds at home games drives visiting teams to distraction, much to the delight of the 11 Seahawks on the field.

The Seahawks have referred to their die-hard fans collectively as "the 12th man" since the early 1980s, using the phrase in promotions and stadium displays and even retiring the number "12" jersey in gratitude. But in 2006, the last time Seattle made it to the Super Bowl, the team was taken to court by Texas A&M University, which had trademarked the phrase in 1990. Ultimately, the Seahawks agreed to pay Texas A&M an upfront licensing fee of $100,000 and a subsequent $5,000 a year.

For the Aggies of A&M, "the 12th man" is an unassailable element of the school's identity. According to Aggie lore, it all started in a January 1922 game in which the coach found himself short on players in a big game and ended up recruiting a student named E. King Gill from the stands. Gill suited up and stood by the sidelines, the story goes. Though he never played, his willingness to support his team made him a legendary figure at A&M. A statue of Gill was erected outside of the football stadium, and fans stand throughout home games in his honor.

A&M's claim to the trademark on "the 12th man" rests on the legendary 1922 game giving birth to the expression. But in recent years a University of Texas alumnus who writes under the pen name Randolph Duke has been poking holes in the story. He uncovered a 1912 article in The Iowa Alumnus in which "the loyal spirited Iowa rooter" is called "the 12th man on the team." And even earlier than that, in 1900, a magazine from the University of Minnesotareferred to "the mysterious influence of the 12th man on the team, the rooter."

Referring to impassioned fans as "the 12th man" took hold in football-crazy Texas in the 1920s, and not just at A&M. The earliest example from A&M comes from a November 1921 issue of the college newspaper The Battalion. The timing is a bit troublesome for the Aggies' accepted version of events, as it was a few months before the game that supposedly started it all.

Adding to the historical murk, there are no known contemporary accounts of Gill's role in the 1922 game—recollections from Gill and others were gathered decades later. Gill himself said the "12th man" legend originated in a 1939 radio play.

Despite the recent evidence, Shane Hinckley, A&M's interim vice president of marketing and communications, stands by the trademark claim. "We have the longest continued use of the 12th Man mark, dating back to 1922," he said.

 
Nice work, RD. Whoop!

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I told the guys over on the Shag that this was in the works. The farmers on texags picked it up from there. This should be fun. The WSJ article linked the original Horn Sports article. This should be fun for a couple of days. I also got a message this evening from someone who had a state legislature contact to get the ball rolling for the constitutional amendment to finally change aggy's legal status as a branch of the University of Texas. This little hobby is getting to be a lot of fun.

 
You always make us proud, Duke. Excellent work!
Just doing my part to make the site what it is. I'm looking forward to drinks with anyone who can make it during the weekend of the spring game.

 
Wouldn't it torment them more to keep the branch legal status?
They are going to try to bring up the PUF/AUF funding if the amendment matter gets brought up. I don't see that as being a legitimate issue. If that is an issue, the amendment will get shot down, simply because the Baylor, Tech, UT and other alumni who would LOVE to make aggy acknowledge they are just a branch of UT and UT's little brother far outnumber the aggy supporters in the state. If the amendment even gets discussed on the floor of the legislature,its a lose/lose situation for aggy because that makes it an accepted fact aggy is a branch of UT and 99.5% of all Texans aren't aware of aggys true legal status.

 
Just doing my part to make the site what it is. I'm looking forward to drinks with anyone who can make it during the weekend of the spring game.
Thanks for all your contributions, they are a pleasure to read. I will most definitely be at the spring game and look forward to meeting you and everyone else that will be there.

 
Yeah and they also won like 10 National Championships... "an Aggie never lies, cheats, or steals.." (unless it's posting b.s. on their Wall of Shame, which has so much b.s. it's unbelievable)

 
I told the guys over on the Shag that this was in the works. The farmers on texags picked it up from there. This should be fun. The WSJ article linked the original Horn Sports article. This should be fun for a couple of days. I also got a message this evening from someone who had a state legislature contact to get the ball rolling for the constitutional amendment to finally change aggy's legal status as a branch of the University of Texas. This little hobby is getting to be a lot of fun.
Did anyone share your article with the Seahawks brass? Maybe their PR department floated the story over to the WSJ. Regardless, I will LMFAO if their bogus trademark is withdrawn and we see officially licensed NFL "12th Man" gear. :)

 
Did anyone share your article with the Seahawks brass? Maybe their PR department floated the story over to the WSJ. Regardless, I will LMFAO if their bogus trademark is withdrawn and we see officially licensed NFL "12th Man" gear. :)
Lol. Let's just say the general counsel for the Seahawks has read the Horn Sports article I wrote.

I was talking with some people over on the Shag last night when the article came out (they have been following this, too) and I pointed out the ags still legally have a trademark, but they no longer effectively have one. If they were ever forced to defend that trademark in court, the opposing attorneys would point out the false claims in their filing documents (attested to under penalty of perjury) that claim they originated the term in 1922 and they first used the term in 1922. They may be able to get by with saying in 1990 they didn't know the term was used by others as early as 1900, but the fact the school itself was using the term earlier than 1922 makes it difficult to claim the originated it in 1922. Their claim would have to be they don't know much about the history and traditions of their school and they would have to basically claim ignorance. They would never do that under oath just to save the trademark. Doing so would be emasculating. Almost as much as standing in a line in front of 80,000 people and squeezing their nuts would be. I think their trademark is pretty much dead at this point.

 
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