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If Strong wants to bring in Mack Brown himself... I'm all in. He knows what he needs for coaching and I'm going to trust him.

I do understand the concerns but there is a new sheriff in town.

!just kidding about the Mack Brown comment!

 
Just so we are clear, I dont have any of these "Friend of Bevo" sources......

Moving along, we went out out got a "guru" in Bryan Harsin, and a highly regarded young defensive mind in Manny Diaz. Both were bad. We then moved on to an older defensive coach, one who had been fired from a couple jobs, and he killed it with what he had here. We moved along to another regarded young mind in Applewhite, who the more I hear, the more I feel wasnt that meddled with, he was just awful at the job.

Then I see a guy who got his ass humbled, had to work his way up from the bottom, and runs a spread/west coast offense which can do anything from 4 wide to running it with a FB or two TEs. Im in the minority, but I am fine with that.

 
Just so we are clear, I dont have any of these "Friend of Bevo" sources......
Moving along, we went out out got a "guru" in Bryan Harsin, and a highly regarded young defensive mind in Manny Diaz. Both were bad. We then moved on to an older defensive coach, one who had been fired from a couple jobs, and he killed it with what he had here. We moved along to another regarded young mind in Applewhite, who the more I hear, the more I feel wasnt that meddled with, he was just awful at the job.

Then I see a guy who got his ass humbled, had to work his way up from the bottom, and runs a spread/west coast offense which can do anything from 4 wide to running it with a FB or two TEs. Im in the minority, but I am fine with that.
Excellent points.

 
I don't how I feel about the OC hire, but can McPhaul and Red get a room already? I'm tired of McPhaul directing me on how to express myself or think about what Red said. Furthermore, I don't like the narrative that he took on starting this thread in what smells like an attempt to make Red look better.

I read and listened to what Red said about Charlie Strong and would expect better from a monetary supporter of the university whether he is butt hurt over the decision making process or not.

 
I don't how I feel about the OC hire, but can McPhaul and Red get a room already? I'm tired of McPhaul directing me on how to express myself or think about what Red said. Furthermore, I don't like the narrative that he took on starting this thread in what smells like an attempt to make Red look better.
I read and listened to what Red said about Charlie Strong and would expect better from a monetary supporter of the university whether he is butt hurt over the decision making process or not.
wow that's harsh!

 
Maybe I did the miss the point of the post entirely. I'm simply stating that the original thread in which you started that directed people to be careful in how they expressed themselves regarding the subject seemed strange considering I had yet to read a post on HornSports which crossed the line. I did think that I misinterpreted the original thread and didn't comment in that thread.

However, the start of this thread seems to conjur up my "Red must not be a bad guy and afterall, may have a point if the OC hire is from Louisville". If I'm dead wrong, I apologize, but that is how I took it.

 
I don't how I feel about the OC hire, but can McPhaul and Red get a room already? I'm tired of McPhaul directing me on how to express myself or think about what Red said. Furthermore, I don't like the narrative that he took on starting this thread in what smells like an attempt to make Red look better.
I read and listened to what Red said about Charlie Strong and would expect better from a monetary supporter of the university whether he is butt hurt over the decision making process or not.
We all need to cut McP a break. Imagine the pressure he's been laboring under for the last month as this thing has developed. Attacks from readers, losing sponsorships, etc. If he needs to dissent on this issue for whatever reason, I can step back far enough to respect that he has some legitimate reason for feeling how he does, whether I understand it or not.

 
What people were upset about was that Red went on public airwaves with his opinion that makes the university look bad and that he knew would get picked up nationally.

That is the issue.

 
What people were upset about was that Red went on public airwaves with his opinion that makes the university look bad and that he knew would get picked up nationally.
That is the issue.
Totally agree. It was the last thing that this university needed in light of the events of the last few weeks.

 
Maybe I did the miss the point of the post entirely. I'm simply stating that the original thread in which you started that directed people to be careful in how they expressed themselves regarding the subject seemed strange considering I had yet to read a post on HornSports which crossed the line. I did think that I misinterpreted the original thread and didn't comment in that thread.
However, the start of this thread seems to conjur up my "Red must not be a bad guy and afterall, may have a point if the OC hire is from Louisville". If I'm dead wrong, I apologize, but that is how I took it.
Brother, it is no problem. I said this the other night and maybe I did a poor job of explaining myself. The only post that we frowned upon were those were calling Red cuss words and telling Red to stfu. We believe we can get our point across with those kinds of statements.

I was appalled that Red took his feelings public. I was also embarrassed for him and I certainly don't wan to share a room with him:)

 
So the RB coach's tenure at Flordia with Strong, while under Meyer, and winning two national championships isn't enough? Have you ever coached a single down of real football? I am willing to bet the answer is no because someone in the know would have an actual reason they don't like a hire. If you think that coaches don't bring in their buddies, who said coach thinks can also coach, happens at every level from high school to the NFL you are even further detached from reality than should be allowed to join this conversation.
First off you are full of___________. You have to relate to the whole story of: we have the money for the BEST and that Coach Strong at the presser stated that he wanted to have Texas ties and knowledge of Texas for his offensive position coaches.

Do not get to tuff with me if you are trying to be a tuff guy behind your keys. You are the one out of line here fellow and should not be in this conversation. MODS TAKE CARE OF THIS c$@^.

 
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Brother, it is no problem. I said this the other night and maybe I did a poor job of explaining myself. The only post that we frowned upon were those were calling Red cuss words and telling Red to stfu. We believe we can get our point across with those kinds of statements.
I was appalled that Red took his feelings public. I was also embarrassed for him and I certainly don't wan to share a room with him :)
Haha! nice to know that! lol

 
Folks, keep in mind that CS fired his previous OC at the beginning of the season (2011?) and promoted Watson. Once Watson was promoted the L'ville O continually improved under his guidance, and just look at Bridgewater's development.

I'm with most of you and would like to get a "sexy" spread OC here, but I'm cool if CS wants to go with Watson*.

I reserve the right to bitch if the offense sucks next year with SW;-)

 
Just so we are clear, I dont have any of these "Friend of Bevo" sources......
Moving along, we went out out got a "guru" in Bryan Harsin, and a highly regarded young defensive mind in Manny Diaz. Both were bad. We then moved on to an older defensive coach, one who had been fired from a couple jobs, and he killed it with what he had here. We moved along to another regarded young mind in Applewhite, who the more I hear, the more I feel wasnt that meddled with, he was just awful at the job.

Then I see a guy who got his ass humbled, had to work his way up from the bottom, and runs a spread/west coast offense which can do anything from 4 wide to running it with a FB or two TEs. Im in the minority, but I am fine with that.
This is very excellent post. We need to look at Watson from all different angles before passing final judgment.

 
here's my take, for what it's worth. i don't know shawn watson from adam. i don't know his work or his record. what i know is that we hired a coach we wanted (except Red, it seems) and we'd be better let him choose his own staff or we run the same risk of trying to micromanage the process as we're accusing the former AD and administration of.

my problem with shawn watson is not his record, talent or skill level, but where i am cautious is the long term familiarity he has with Strong. We just went thru a process of demanding a change of the existing paradigm. We wanted new hybrid vigor for the program. A couple of years ago, we demanded that Mack change his OC because of the exact same kind of long term familiarity he had with Greg Davis, even though the evidence at the time was that he actually ran a pretty successful offensive scheme.

I have long thought that coaches have shelf lives of 8-12 years, and that after that time, it's best to have a change of pace. the problem with that is that you have coaches who are successful (joe paterno, bobby bowden, mack brown) who have built allegiances within the school administrations, boosters, assistant coaches, BMD's, etc. so it becomes more and more difficult to replace an entrenched coach. They make friends, they make best friends, their kids know each other and grow up with each other, their wives become best friends too (and don't for a minute discount that little aspect) and they put down roots. It becomes harder and harder to remove them. People say, "they've earned the right to plan their own departure".

It's an absolutely classic pattern, but with familiarity comes getting comfortable and becoming a bit complacent. It's hard to keep evolving. It's hard to keep that edge. So we acquiesce to the easy way out and just let them stay until it becomes almost impossible to replace them without great angst and hurt feelings.

We need to learn from this last episode. We didn't go thru it with Royal because he saw the malaise coming by himself and stepped aside. That's extremely rare. We weren't that lucky with Mack, so we had an angst fest. We need to make sure that the next coach is told, from the get go, "look, even with success, perhaps even great success, there's going to be a time for you to move on and make way for some new hybrid vigor. That can be your choice, or it can be our choice. There's no guarantees and if we see the signs of malaise beginning to occur, we'll make the changes we need to."

We have to remind them of that along the way. It's part of the equation. Hybrid vigor is an important concept.

My objection to Watson isn't what he brings to the table necessarily. It's his long term familiarity with Strong. It reminds me of Mack and Greg Davis. Friendships are very bad for objective decisions. That's because there is no way for them to be objective. Not when you're best friends with the guy. Not when your kids are friends. Not when your wives are friends. So you develop a blind spot. WE ALL DO THIS.

Charlie needs to bring in someone else IMO. He' needs to avoid the old comfort level familiarity problem and change his paradigm too.

My guess is that he will. But just in case he doesn't, I hope the admin will remind him that we hired him because we wanted change and that he needs to look inwardly too.

If Watson comes, I will support him wholeheartedly. Charlie Strong needs to be supported in his decisions. I hope he chooses differently, but if he doesn't, he's sure going to have my support and not my constant brickbats.

 
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I said this on another thread, but my problem with Watson are remarks he's made about 'the tiny people' and 'idiots who criticize him.' I don't mind arrogance at home or on the field, but I appreciate a little grace and humility behind the microphone.

 
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