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[GetHooked]

Since we have been down for awhile, I think this is the time to get a kick ass OC. I think with Strong, our D will kick. We need to have the offense producing THIS YEAR.

Charlie came a little late. He doesn't realize how restless the fans are. He is giving me the impression that Mack retired and he is taking over.

MACK WAS FIRED CHARLIE. THE FUTURE IS NOW!

 

[DizzG]

I don't understand the insouciance a lot of people have that we're leveraging the history, cachet and resources of the University of Texas' football program to give pay raises to most of the staff from a commuter basketball school in a terrible conference whose football program generates less than 30 million dollars a year. Seems like we should have higher ambitions than amalgamating into the University of Louisville at Austin.

Prob because many think its a false notion that guys on charlie strongs staff that turned around a program at UL and won a BCS bowl last year are somehow lesser coaches because they were on a staff at Louisville. Then by that premise they shouldn't be considered at Texas because they aren't Texas good. The same with Strong who many nationally thought was an excellent coach and has fought hard to advance himself to the position of head coach despite having a lot of success in his career being on big time staffs...winning national titles as a DC etc

You hire a guy and let him assemble his staff. This happens all the time. Coaches get jobs and bring people with them who they are comfortable with and more important trust to surround them as they embark on a new challenge. You simply dont hire a guy and claim you trust them and then tell him who his staff needs to be, and if he wants to bring any guys with him he shouldnt because Texas is a bigger "name" the Louisville. People can cry about Watson but I haven't seen one explanation on why any other rumored name he may bring in is somehow unworthy, or not a good enough choice

 

[DizzG]

I didn't think Red was out of bounds at all. .

Then you would be one of the very very few as Red has not only been getting killed locally he's been getting roasted nationally.

So a guy who has won national titles as a DC on big time staffs, has a good record as a head coach so far in his career, turned around a program as a head coach, is fixing to have one of his players go #1 in the NFL draft, has won conf titles as a head coach, and won a BCS bowl as a head coach really belongs at no higher than a position coach level...or if he's lucky maybe a coordinator position?

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

I didn't think Red was out of bounds at all. More will agree with him as time passes, a couple more recruits decommit, and more folks will come around to seeing things differently than all this Texas Strong business.

He has been on the job 2 days.. wow

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

I don't understand the insouciance a lot of people have that we're leveraging the history, cachet and resources of the University of Texas' football program to give pay raises to most of the staff from a commuter basketball school in a terrible conference whose football program generates less than 30 million dollars a year. Seems like we should have higher ambitions than amalgamating into the University of Louisville at Austin.

We have been over paying assistants for years. Have you seen the product in the field the past 4 years.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

which one? not surprised. I cant fully say what I think of Red on here as would prob get banned. I think he did a lot of damage to Strong, and will hurt recruiting. I think UT can recover but Red has still not apologized and it frankly sickens me that some have actually tried to defend his comments or cast them off as not that big of a deal

I think it was Garnett but not 100% sure of that.

As far as defending his comments, if I'm am reading between the lines correctly (and I don't always do that, just ask my wife) I think Red, or someone closely associated to him, is a "Friend of Bevo". If that's the case then it explains why those who run this board defending him and excusing him.

 

[alphahydro]

re Charlie Strong's qualifications:

Charlie Strong pre-Texas:

37-15 at L'ville

Les Miles pre-LSU

28-21 at OK-State

Darrell Royal pre-Texas

17-13 at Mississippi State and UW.

Urban Meyer pre-Florida

39-8 at Bowling Green and Utah

Bo Schembechler pre-Michigan

40-17 at Miami of Ohio

Woody Hayes pre tOSU

33-15 at Miami of Ohio and Denison

He may not pan out, but saying he's not qualified to be a HC at a top program is absurd.

 

[alphahorn]

First, I'd advise you to wait a minute and post on fact not what's been postulated. We don't know who Strong is offering the OC job too yet.

Second, if it is Watson, then wait to see what he does here. All I know is in his most recent job he beat a #3 Florida team in the Sugar Bowl and scored 33 points on our golden bow coach in waiting defensive guru who had 1 month to game plan against his offense. people point to colorado, which 0 talent and nebraska, which was broken.

 

[whatthewhat]

I think it was Garnett but not 100% sure of that.
As far as defending his comments, if I'm am reading between the lines correctly (and I don't always do that, just ask my wife) I think Red, or someone closely associated to him, is a "Friend of Bevo". If that's the case then it explains why those who run this board defending him and excusing him.

If true, we'd have seen a LOT more Gruden talk.

 

[crotchole]

Prob because many think its a false notion that guys on charlie strongs staff that turned around a program at UL and won a BCS bowl last year are somehow lesser coaches because they were on a staff at Louisville. Then by that premise they shouldn't be considered at Texas because they aren't Texas good. The same with Strong who many nationally thought was an excellent coach and has fought hard to advance himself to the position of head coach despite having a lot of success in his career being on big time staffs...winning national titles as a DC etc
You hire a guy and let him assemble his staff. This happens all the time. Coaches get jobs and bring people with them who they are comfortable with and more important trust to surround them as they embark on a new challenge. You simply dont hire a guy and claim you trust them and then tell him who his staff needs to be, and if he wants to bring any guys with him he shouldnt because Texas is a bigger "name" the Louisville. People can cry about Watson but I haven't seen one explanation on why any other rumored name he may bring in is somehow unworthy, or not a good enough choice

This. At coaching school last year I spoke with a number of college coaches, from institutions most on Texas boards would consider inferior, that straight up said UT's staff is a running joke in the coaching ranks. That being said, I think some of that sentiment is hyperbole, but some is definitely true. Gundy didn't have a problem hiring a coordinator from some BFE DIII school, and I think it turned out okay.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I didn't think Red was out of bounds at all. More will agree with him as time passes, a couple more recruits decommit, and more folks will come around to seeing things differently than all this Texas Strong business.

Seriously?

 

[BBQ time]

My concen is that if Watson is terrible, then it will take at least two years to get a replacement.

It took manny Diaz giving up 550 yards rushing to a mediocre byu team. This was after having one of the worst defenses in school history the prior year. Texas is a school that is very reticent to fire bad coaches.

It's much easier to not hire someone than get rid of him.

 

[ManoCornuda]

I'm waiting for someone to tell my why Watson is better than a dozen of candidates other than Charlie Strong is comfortable with him.

 

[coolhorn]

I guess I'm gonna be the one to differ concerning Strong's staffing decisions. (Real or rumored) Any head coach taking a new job is going to want to bring at least some of his staffers with him. There's a comfort level there, plus they already know what the head coach wants and expects, and they can help pass that on to other assistant coaches. A smart head coach taking over a new job will also want to cherry pick an assistant or two off of the previous staff. They know the territory, and have ties to the high school coaches in that state. A really smart head coach then tops off the staff with the best assistants available to him from around the country, with an emphasis on recruiting, teaching, and, hopefully, knowing the territory of the new job. I am no insider, but I haven't seen a dumb move by Coach Strong yet. He's apparently bringing his D.C., linebackers coach, and s&c coach from the 'Ville. There's speculation on a couple of others, but so far, it's just speculation. He's keeping at least two, and maybe more from Mack's staff, and we have no idea where else he is looking for assistants. I get it that there are some folks who don't want to give Strong a chance, simply because he's not Nick Saban, or for other reasons, but you might want to wait until he's assembled his staff before crabbing about it.

 

[dhatty]

Just win Baby!

 

[Alouha27]

re Charlie Strong's qualifications:
Charlie Strong pre-Texas:

37-15 at L'ville

Les Miles pre-LSU

28-21 at OK-State

Darrell Royal pre-Texas

17-13 at Mississippi State and UW.

Urban Meyer pre-Florida

39-8 at Bowling Green and Utah

Bo Schembechler pre-Michigan

40-17 at Miami of Ohio

Woody Hayes pre tOSU

33-15 at Miami of Ohio and Denison

He may not pan out, but saying he's not qualified to be a HC at a top program is absurd.

His numbers are on par with some of the top names in coaching! Thanks for the info alphahydro!

 

[DizzG]

I'm waiting for someone to tell my why Watson is better than a dozen of candidates other than Charlie Strong is comfortable with him.

I never said I would pick Watson as my #1 guy, but if Strong wants him on his staff I dont think Patterson or Powers should step in and block it. You hired him and trust him to run the program so let him do it. I will reserve my judgement on Watson until I see some product on the field with UT's players

 

[t2x]

Mack was 69-46-1 at NC. Another ACC Basketball school. Lets let CS play this out.

 

[Firehorn]

Look, I think what Red said was at the very least dumb. He has harmed the reputation of UT in the process. That being said, those who call him racist or make "white sheet" comments are way off base. Red hired a black ex drug addict as his coach when he owned the SASpurs. He may be a grumpy old man who at times embarrasses himself but not a racist.

 

[Mr. Cosell]

I think you bring up a great point. A lot of good reasoning in your thought process.

I will add that sometimes coaches tend to be too loyal and complacent when it comes to hiring/firing coaches. It is one of their weaknesses. They are too close to the situation to see flaws in their guy. They are coaches, not CEOs.

One of the greatest moves Bob Stoops ever made was going out of his circle of trust and hiring Mike Leach and Mark Mangino. That's been a big piece of his program's foundation for the past 15 years.

I don't think Sumlin brought in his old staff either.

A coach needs a comfort level with his coaches. He also needs the best coaches possible and the right fit depending on where he is coaching. No two jobs are alike.

With that said, I agree, he's the coach and you have to let him do his thing. If Patterson didn't make a demand during process, there is nothing that can be done about it. I'm sure most will jump on board after it happens, but right now they feel the need to stress their dissatisfaction and concerns.

I think Watson is not the best fit for this state. I also think Texas is a great job with a fresh start and has a great defensive fit for the state's recruiting personnel. Texas will be fine, but it can do better than Watson. A coach should want to be the very best. Hiring all your buddies is not the best way to tackle this job. But that's. Other to say it cannot work either.