Texas to the Big 10????

[Topstarr]

ACC is cool........ No Bad Big 10 or no far away Pac 12

 

[joebobb]

If you consider inferior football cool and playing games at lovely places like Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, and Boston College in front of 30k fans cool.

Personally, I prefer to take my brand to the biggest stage. SEC - Bama, A&M, Tenn, all 100k fans - FL, GA, LSU all 90K plus fans OR BIG - OSU, MICH, PSU 100k+ NEB, WI 90+ fans.

Heck even the Pac has some decent sized venues to play. But hey, if you want to play against the JV circuit, then yes, certainly the ACC is the way to go.

 

[Irish in SEC country]

If you consider inferior football cool and playing games at lovely places like Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, and Boston College in front of 30k fans cool.
Personally, I prefer to take my brand to the biggest stage. SEC - Bama, A&M, Tenn, all 100k fans - FL, GA, LSU all 90K plus fans OR BIG - OSU, MICH, PSU 100k+ NEB, WI 90+ fans.

Heck even the Pac has some decent sized venues to play. But hey, if you want to play against the JV circuit, then yes, certainly the ACC is the way to go.

No doubt about the SEC. It is the biggest and most exciting football. Nobody can come close top to bottom. But Texas is not ever going to join the SEC.

Are you under the assumption that all Big Ten games are played at Meatchicken, Blowhio State, Penn State, and Nebraska? Maybe you think games at Northwestern, Indiana, Minnesota, Maryland, Rutgers will be in 90,000 seat stadiums with overflow crowds?

Here is a little fact for you about those great Big Ten fans who so outnumber the poor little ACC fans. The Big Ten has held two conference championship games, and in both years, the ACC championship game has out drawn the Big Ten game. If what you assert about the two conferences's football were true, then the Big Ten championship game would always have at least 10,000 more people than the ACC championship.

The Pac? Other than SC, who averages at least 75,000 almost every year? Nobody. The Pac plays its championship games at home fields, not neutral sites, and still can't outdraw the ACC.

The best case I ca make for you is that your time as student at Cincinnati made you have a typical non-ND midwestern set of football assumptions. Before the SEC began this run, those pro-Big Ten assumptions were so crazy they tended to see the SEC as definitely beneath the Big Ten. You simply assume the Big Ten is the biggest and best other than the SEC.

Now on to other larger matters. When ND was figuring its future, which meant tying Irish football to a conference, one fact that stood out was that even with the ACC's two biggest national TV draws in football, Miami and Florida State, down at the same time for a decade, ACC football was third nationally in number of TV viewers. The SEC was 1 and the Big Ten 2. The Big 12 was 4, with the Pac a distant 5.

In basketball, it was Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, and the far distant Pac at 5.

The projections ND people came up with for the ACC with ND as a half member in football and the new ACC in basketball are that the ACC will gain on the Big Ten in football and will replace the Big Ten as number 1 in basketball viewers.

The same ND projections if ND were to join the Big Ten were that the Big Ten would remain number 1 in basketball and replace the SEC as number 1 in football viewers.

And ND chose the ACC. It is much better company than the Big Ten. And its football now is better and may become much better.

Texas will learn the same if it studies the issue, and it will prefer to partner with ND than with anybody in the Big Ten.

 

[Irish in SEC country]

Irish - Your argument for the ACC rests on speculation and reacting to the media hype that the BIG is down. That article was an opinion piece that stated the BIG is no better than the MAC and has does not land quality recruits. When you take the poorly written articles with no basis in fact that you find on SB Nation, you can end up believing that the BIG is not worthy of being a power 5 conference and the ACC is the next best thing to the SEC and possibly will overtake it one day.
These assertions are far from the truth.

For those who talk about the ACC speed basing it off FSU, remember that is one program (in fact the only program in the ACC), Ohio State has just as much of that speed. Ohio State has the talent to compete with any SEC school on any given year, regardless of whether they play in the BIG. Remember is was not too long ago they beat Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl when Arkansas had all the SEC speed. The ACC may recruit top HS talent but they do nothing with them and the players are busts, outside of FSU. 2012 was a bad year for the BIG, but look at the rosters of Ohio State and FSU, the flag bearers for each conference. They probably have about the same number of players who will play on Sundays and equivalent talent.

You talk about how great ND is making the ACC, remember ND got beat by a bad Michigan team this year. A team out of the weak BIG. They almost got beat by Purdue too. This from a team that was in the Natl Championship game last year.

Secondly, when you rate the talent in each league objectively, when you rate the strength of each league from top to bottom each year, based on current numbers, the ACC always comes in ranked below the SEC, PAC, BIG XII, AND BIG. This is not based on the historical power of the conference or each team, this is based on current results, strength of schedules, etc. THE ACC is DEAD LAST. Why on earth would Texas want to join that league of jokers. It is a fine academic conference but athletic wise, outside of soccer and lacrosse and FSU football it is a joke. I do not advocate for the BIG, just not the ACC which is a joke of a conference.

Let's take the joke of a football conference assertion and look at it. Over the past 40 years, ACC have won 4 national titles. Clemson in 1981, Georgia Tech in 1990, Florida State in 1993 and 1999.

During the same time period, the mighty Big Ten has 2. Meatchicken in 1997 and Blowhio State in 2001.

So which is the sadder joke? I mean, if the Big Ten is so much better than the ACC, shouldn't it have maybe 3 or 4 times more national titles than the ACC over the past 40 years?

As for ND this year, we have beaten Michigan State, which is either the best or second best team in the Big Ten. And then we lost to Pitt, which is struggling against ACC competition. I think that says the Big Ten is rather weak.