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LHornJack, Mack didn't recruit Major, and if I recall correctly, Brewster had to convince him to take Vince. Mack got the credit, but Vince was recruited by Brewster. Mack initially resisted bringing Vince in, but eventually did so with a great deal of push by Brewster.

Others here can either confirm or deny, but I am fairly certain of those facts.

Mackovic recruited Major.

Hook 'em!
Know that Major was not recruited by Mack, but the point was that Mack did not want QB's playing for him that had the attitude that it takes to be a good QB....Major and the others that I listed were indeed good QB's, among the best we have ever had in 120 years of football.

Also, if you ever want to know the truth about what role Mack played with Vince actually signing/ coming to Texas, instead of made up BS by people who don't like Mack on the internet.  Spend an afternoon with Vince and you will know the truth.  Brewster was critical, but VY was not coming without Mack's sell.

 
pringlelake, I respect you as a poster, but I need to correct a few of your assumptions.

1). You assume I got my information here. I am sorry to disappoint you, but you are wrong. I did not get the information on Muschamp's final review from a blog. Not everyone does. That is why assumptions can be very treacherous. I can assure you that it is solid, but I will not reveal more.

2). I made an observation about the State of the Program when Charlie was hired. It was a train wreck. I approved of the dismissals for repeated violations of team rules. Perhaps you did and perhaps you didn't. You did not answer my questions, but only questioned my knowledge, so I don't know.

3). I don't post random gossip. It is just not my style. I do post opinions, and they are typically positive, but Mack held on too long and did a great deal of damage to my University. It has tarnished my opinion of him as a person and a coach. He has a number of wins and the VY National Championship, but DKR is the greatest coach we ever had. Royal left with class and dignity. Mack hired Jamail.

4) You will not see another response from me. There is no point, and it bores other posters.
Java, likewise I respect you as a poster. But I need to correct some of your apparent misunderstanding of what I posted.

1.[SIZE=14.3999996185303px]I dId not assume you got your information here and never said anything to even remotely suggest that. [/SIZE][SIZE=14.3999996185303px]All of it has been posted and repeated and discussed ad nauseum all over message boards across the internet for well more than a year. Hopefully you didn't think I was hearing what you posted here for the first time. Once it gets repeated often enough...it becomes a "fact" ...unless someone steps up to the plate and says...hey..wait a minute..how do you know that's true?  [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14.3999996185303px] All I asked was whether you had personal knowledge of the truth of your slams at Mack regarding Muschamp's final [/SIZE]review[SIZE=14.3999996185303px] and what someone allegedly overheard Bruce Matthews say at a spring practice and then the twist toward Mack's running off quarterbacks and  Harsin  etc etc. If you do have personal knowledge all those things are true...just say so.[/SIZE]

 
2. Regarding the state of the program when Charlie arrived, I do not agree that all of the blame for the personnel problems this year rests upon the "weak shoulders of Mack Brown". There were a combination of circumstances that created the problems....some of them were Mack's fault, some were just pure bad luck and others likely resulted from poor decisions made by the current staff.
 
I'm not quite sure what questions you're talking about that I didn't answer. Stuff related to whether the gossip and hearsay you posted about Mack is true or not true??
 
 I'll answer right now. I don't know.  But then again, neither do you. Chances are good that there is a tad of truth mixed in with a substantially greater portion of untruth. 
 
3. I agree that Mack held on too long, but I'm unaware of the "great damage" Mack did to our University?? Maybe you could PM me to define that damage more specifically. I  agree that DKR was the greatest coach we've ever had and he left with class.  Regarding Mack hiring Jamail??  How do you know he hired him??  Isn't it just as likely that he and Joe were close friends and that Joe wanted to make certain Mack received the compensation to which he was entitled when he left? I think that scenario is just as likely as the "Mack hired Jamail" scenario. It's not like Jamail needed to be paid or hired.
 
It seems to me that you and I agree regarding factual issues...that Mack let the program decline during his last few years and that he should have been fired (pushed out) sooner. What we disagree about is all the gossip and hearsay surrounding his personal business.
 
So now that we've both had our final post, we can agree to disagree and walk away as friends.  And as you said, you will see no further response from me, as I agree that it's personal and boring to others.
 
Sidenote:  If Jamail was representing Mack, he was technically hired.  But according to Jamail, he hasn't taken money to work a case in years.  He doesn't need it. 

Now if he was lying when I heard him say that, color me shocked. ;)

I doubt he asked for money and I doubly doubt Mack offered any up.  The goal was to get Mack paid, and they did.  Can't say I'm too thrilled about the ultimate amount over buyout, but that's my hunch.

 
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dcbc, I was always impressed that Mack wanted longer contracts for "stability" and "recruiting". I believe I quoted that correctly.

I was equally impressed that he didn't want a large buyout, because he, in essence, didn't want to be here if he wasn't wanted.

Suffice it to say that I learned my lesson.

 
Know that Major was not recruited by Mack, but the point was that Mack did not want QB's playing for him that had the attitude that it takes to be a good QB....Major and the others that I listed were indeed good QB's, among the best we have ever had in 120 years of football.

Also, if you ever want to know the truth about what role Mack played with Vince actually signing/ coming to Texas, instead of made up BS by people who don't like Mack on the internet.  Spend an afternoon with Vince and you will know the truth.  Brewster was critical, but VY was not coming without Mack's sell.

Much truth to this. . . . .

And Vince would also tell you (seen him do it in interviews without being asked) ..  .GD coached him up. . . .and that we don't win the Natty without GD helping him become teh #1 passer in the nation and an excellent field general. . . .

I get that it does not fit many's agenda. . . . .

 
Much truth to this. . . . .

And Vince would also tell you (seen him do it in interviews without being asked) .. .GD coached him up. . . .and that we don't win the Natty without GD helping him become teh #1 passer in the nation and an excellent field general. . . .

I get that it does not fit many's agenda. . . . .
Gladly would have had GD calling plays over the last few seasons. Like another poster said, he tailored his offense to the personnel at hand. Just wouldn't want to see too many screen plays at the wrong time!

 
The coordinators that I truly hated to lose under Mack were Harsin and Muschamp. My issue with Davis was not so much the offense but the offensive lines Nunez produced.

It seemed we kept getting new oline coaches, but only had a good line during the Studdard years. Then we started replacing coordinators. It starts to make you wonder where the real problem is.

I don't doubt Vince said that. A friend of mine that worked in Belmont thought Davis was a very good quarterback coach. I don't disagree with that. Vince and Colt were very good. Simms was, as well, but he had very good mechanics when he arrived. Major maxed out his abilities, then the injuries started. I still remember that gorgeous pass he dropped off to Quan in the Cotton Bowl. I can't recall the yardage, but it was 90+, if I remember correctly.

 
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yeah---Studdard left after 2006 season and I guess we started replacing coordinators (I didn't look it up).....But after Kasey left..we proceeded to go 10-3, 12-1 and 13-1 over the next 3 years. It does make you wonder where the real problem was.

 
Ken Pom Odds

Kind of interesting after our bowl game-performance art piece

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Juan...I'm slow this morning and not sure what your post reflects. Was that a prediction form last year...or is that a prediction for the 2015 season? Either way...it doesn't make much sense??? I think TCU has 10 starters back on offense for next year. What am I missing?

 
Juan...I'm slow this morning and not sure what your post reflects. Was that a prediction form last year...or is that a prediction for the 2015 season? Either way...it doesn't make much sense??? I think TCU has 10 starters back on offense for next year. What am I missing?
Yeah - I think TCU returns 16 starters - not sure why they wouldn't be the odds-on favorites.  Wonder why the simulations are coming out so differently than what would be expected.

 
Yes, he is a sabermetrics guy who is known for college basketball

Had a Masters in atmospheric science and was a meteorologist

Sort of Nate Silveresque

 
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Case could at least read a defense to some degree. Weak arm, but clutch at times.
I agree, it's funny watching Swoopes this year compared to Case last year because each lacks what the other possesses; they complete each other.

 
Nothing against the kid personally. I wish nothing but the best for him...but

Nothing about Texas football would make me happier than for Swoopes to transfer.

1) it rids us from possibly seeing him take any meaningful snaps at Texas ever again.

2) Our other QBs need all the reps they can get. Don't need him taking up those reps.

3) We don't need a green TE taking reps away from TEs who need it. If he isn't mentally /physically tough enough to be a QB, he ain't tough enough to be a TE. 

4) It opens up yet another scholarship for a player that is truly TEXAS GOOD.

 
So far the reps at QB position given to Swoopes have been a total waste. After 2 years at Texas I can't imagine that future reps will make a difference. Maybe another position. Maybe another school. 

 
Nothing against the kid personally. I wish nothing but the best for him...but

Nothing about Texas football would make me happier than for Swoopes to transfer.

1) it rids us from possibly seeing him take any meaningful snaps at Texas ever again.

2) Our other QBs need all the reps they can get. Don't need him taking up those reps.

3) We don't need a green TE taking reps away from TEs who need it. If he isn't mentally /physically tough enough to be a QB, he ain't tough enough to be a TE. 

4) It opens up yet another scholarship for a player that is truly TEXAS GOOD.
Swoopes is another Miles Onyegbule.

Good kid, stayed out of trouble, but wasn't UT material at either QB or TE. Sad, but true. I wish Swoopes would transfer, too, but Strong is gonna try to redeem him. Bless his heart

 
My take on Swoopes, Heard & Watson:

I think Watson started the season thinking he could develop Swoopes, due to his obvious raw potential & hoped to redshirt Heard, which was needed.  The mid season success gave this thought some validation.  Then came the K St. game which showed just how unprepared mentally & insecure Swoopes was.  With the fan base become highly upset & clamoring for Heard, Watson started his song about Heard "improving but still not ready to play".  I hope it was made very clear to Heard that the "media comments" were to relieve fan pressure and are not indicative of any Heard's deficiencies. Although Heard might not have been totally ready, I believe he was much farther along than what Watson was ready to admit (in order to save Heard's redshirt the coaching staff was willing to sacrifice the 2014 season).  I hope Watson is willing to turn the team to Heard and let him run as much of the offense as he is comfortable with while continuing to add the "pro" aspects as he develops.  Hopefully Heard's confidence has not been affected.

Swoopes had a huge adjustment to make between small high school football to D1 and he may be able to make that adjustment, but until then lets Ride with someone else. 

 
IMO, we must sign an experienced QB (with talent) to compete with Heard.
If I were going to rank the importance of the potential remaining 2015 recruiting "gets" - it would be Mack/Richmond/QB.  I go back and forth on the overriding importance of each one of those.
 
On the QB issue, IF we do not sign an experienced QB to compete with Heard, THEN --
-- it implies they are willing to risk Gentry's redshirt if Heard falters or gets injured; and/or 
-- shows Strong/Watson are willing to take their chances with Swoopes again (and suffer the consequences)
 
On that latter point, there has been a lot of discussion about how the offense is being re-designed and re-schemed for next season.  Sounds good, but what if Heard gets hurt and they refuse to burn Gentry's redshirt?  In that case, all those purported offensive alterations become trash
 
IMO, not signing an experienced QB is taking a huge risk.  You could easily argue it is or would be the single biggest risk to next season's record.  
And that risk falls completely on Watson and Strong. 
 
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