Swoopes

[dillohorn]

Swoopes is a good person that should not be a QB on a major college program. I'm not sure he can play any position on the UT roster unless his attitude changes.  

 

[Chris Flanagan]

I believe the coaches tried to tailor a gameplan to Swoopes's strengths but Swoopes didn't take advantage of the opportunities presented to him. He missed wide open receivers and read the defense wrong a lot.

So one of the biggest things that didn't go right for Charlie Strong is that instant playmaker. Bret Bieliema got Alex Collins a few weeks after taking the Razorbacks job. When Charlie Strong got to Louisville, it took him a full season at Louisville to get his quarterback.

Zach Gentry may be that guy. Maybe Jerrod Heard wasn't ready or the staff threw in the towel on this game essentially by preserving the redshirt. In the grand scheme of things, this bowl game didn't matter.

The only QB available that could make a difference is Braxton Miller but my guess is that Charlie Strong wants to build and develop the program first before he brings in quick fixes.

 

[java]

Some of you fellows are pulling me out of the doldrums this morning.  Thank you.  However, it's your take on the development of Tyrone that is causing me to smile.  I understand your frustration, but c'mon, you have all seen players who tighten up, 'freeze' if you prefer, when under pressure.  Isn't that precisely what Tyrone does?  Vince and Colt would rise to the occasion.  They would elevate their game and that of those around them.

Tyrone regresses.  Rather than utilize what he has learned, he reverts to old, bad habits whenever he is under pressure.  It is very hard to break bad habits, and obviously he received little to no coaching last year; however, he has had his chance, and unless there is an injury to the next starting qb at Texas, I doubt we will see Tyrone under center again.  He is unreliable, but don't blame it on coaching.  If he hadn't be coached, he wouldn't have played well against bad defenses.  He regresses against good defenses, which means that the coaches successfully disguised his weaknesses whenever possible, but he was exposed when playing teams that could exploit those weaknesses.

Ok?  I wish a pro like Shannon would weigh in on this.

Hook 'em!

 

[Brasky]

It isn't Swoopes fault.  There is no way he should have ever been a QB prospect for a bona fide program.  I realize he was a force in HS but that was 2A and he was physcially a man amongst boys.  A lazy program offers a guy like this because recruiting servies have him rated where they do but a dilligent staff would have seen his deficiencies as a  QB;  Heck, in his limited time last year I thought he looked terrible (and said so on here/hornfans).

I wish Tyrone the best and I think it's obvious he worked hard.  He just isn't a QB.

[SIZE=14.3999996185303px]This one is on Mack.[/SIZE]

 

[JimR]

The kid has a great arm, but he hasn't shown the ability to read defenses, even on zone-read plays.

how do you know they are letting him read? 

 

[bcherry168]

Just got home from work so apparently I didn't miss much. Gentry/Heard battle in the Spring. Watch Zaire play QB for ND tomorrow against LSU. 1st opponent and QB to prepare for. Golson's done due to turnovers.

Gentry is a Summer enrollee. Playing basketball this Spring.. Unless we get a JUCO or transfer, it will be Heard against Swoopes in the Spring.

 

[HornEsch]

At the very least, if for some reason Swoopes manages to be the starter next year, we will be able to pull him when the bad Swoopes shows up.

The best case is if Heard comes in and grabs the job and runs with it. I THINK he will have a better mental aspect of the game as far as being a leader and having that poise.

Unfortunately we will have to live with this bad taste for a while before we can start to see where this is going.

 

[bcherry168]

The problem we have even if Heard is the starter is that we have no depth. Gentry will red shirt, so Swoopes will be the back up. He is not even capable of that, I'm afraid. We really do need to get another QB on the roster that can play.

Ohio State finished the season starting their 3rd string QB. Not having at least 3 ready to play can be a disaster.

 

[dcbc]

how do you know they are letting him read? 

Exactly.  I have believed for months now that the so-called zone read plays are predetermined, essentially QB Keeper fakes.  From memory, I can't recall more than 3 QB keepers on that play in the second half of the season.  The decent defenses we played knew going in that TS wasn't going to keep it.  Otherwise, a hole as big as the one we all saw last night doesn't open up (that thing was made for Moses).  Arkie's D moved to cover the back because the odds were so heavily in favor of the QB's not keeping the ball because he was told to hand it off ahead of time. 

 

[java]

Mr. Cherry, that is on Mack, too. Why did he run off every qb we had? At least, every back-up not named Case. The train wreck Charlie inherited rests on the weak shoulders of one Mack Brown-the tight ends, qbs, oline, discipline issues, and strength & conditioning. The linebacker issues earlier in the season could be thrown in, as well luckily many of those are much improved.

I am also of the opinion (I know, I'm full of them this am) that Mack recruited passive players, if possible, because he loathed conflict. Passive does not win football games.

Hook 'em!

 

[drgilbert]

If they didn't let him read the defense then we were coaching scared and that is freakin terrible. You can't coach to not lose you coach to win.

 

[GBT]

If we run this same offensive plan with this same crappy OLine but we have a QB that will hit the open receivers then we are competitive in this game. Heck we probably score 21 points if our QB just makes the easy throws.

I am sure Vinklarik or any of the walk ons could have played better than Swoopes if given the chance. 99% of the 4,5, and 6A QBs in Texas high schools could have played better. A few trick plays to keep the defense on their heels might have helped us too, but there were NONE of those. I guess Watson and Strong were saving those for next season too. Color me pissed off as I am sure many players who watched our coaching staff piss away the season with Swoopes at QB feel the same...which could be the reason we had some players who didn't care( per Brown and Diggs ). Players take on the personality of the coach , right ??? So why should Diggs be upset at the players who didn't care? The coaches didn't care about this season either.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

I can't see any scenario where Charlie allows himself to go into next season with Swoopes as the starter.  I expect Strong to put three RB's in the backfield and run the veer before they let Swoopes start at QB again.

 

[Coach840]

IMO, staff(Watson OC) did not do a good job to put QB in a position to have success. Square peg, round hole...Swoopes had some success moving to the right early in yr, then we go away from that and just put in pocket...should never have him roll left, turnover waiting to happen,yet we did this several times during yr. Swoopes drops his eyes and doesn't see field when moving left.

Zone read, would love to know if he was really trying to read it or if told what do. Doesn't look like it was a true read. The Ok. St. stuff in middle of yr looked ok, but we go away from that.

Heard could run zone read but decision made not to burn shirt no matter cost.

Now it looks we have a shell shocked Qb in Swoopes and an unknown in

Heard.......Will Watson and staff do a better job putting them in better chance

To succeed next yr.

Sorry for the ramblings

 

[bcherry168]

Mr. Cherry, that is on Mack, too. Why did he run off every qb we had? At least, every back-up not named Case. The train wreck Charlie inherited rests on the weak shoulders of one Mack Brown-the tight ends, qbs, oline, discipline issues, and strength & conditioning. The linebacker issues earlier in the season could be thrown in, as well luckily many of those are much improved.

I am also of the opinion (I know, I'm full of them this am) that Mack recruited passive players, if possible, because he loathed conflict. Passive does not win football games.

Hook 'em!

Java, you are dead right. I don't think Mack liked alpha males for some reason, and he recruited that way the last few years. Mack was a good guy that I liked personally. I was certain he was going to retire in 2010, but when the staff and the team fell apart and we had that season, he was convinced to stay. I don't know if it was DeLoss or Sally that did it....or both. It is sad that he stayed.

Being retired, I can tell you that once you get into that mode, you begin to coast a bit, and I think that is what happened. But he missed on some fine quarterbacks over a longer period than that, so the retirement thoughts weren't responsible for that. I think he just didn't like the kind of kids that make good quarterbacks.

It is a sad situation, and Strong is just going to have to recruit his way out of it.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

IMO, staff(Watson OC) did not do a good job to put QB in a position to have success. Square peg, round hole...Swoopes had some success moving to the right early in yr, then we go away from that and just put in pocket...should never have him roll left, turnover waiting to happen,yet we did this several times during yr. Swoopes drops his eyes and doesn't see field when moving left.

Zone read, would love to know if he was really trying to read it or if told what do. Doesn't look like it was a true read. The Ok. St. stuff in middle of yr looked ok, but we go away from that.

Heard could run zone read but decision made not to burn shirt no matter cost.

Now it looks we have a shell shocked Qb in Swoopes and an unknown in

Heard.......Will Watson and staff do a better job putting them in better chance

To succeed next yr.

Sorry for the ramblings

Always love to hear from the experts.

 

[java]

Mr. Cherry, thank you for your honesty. That was the only explanation for some of his decisions, but it's such a strange mindset for a football coach. I believe the few alphas that got past him and through the door probably intimidated the daylights out of him. Muschamp must have terrified him.

 

[ScoBro1]

IMO, staff(Watson OC) did not do a good job to put QB in a position to have success. Square peg, round hole...Swoopes had some success moving to the right early in yr, then we go away from that and just put in pocket...should never have him roll left, turnover waiting to happen,yet we did this several times during yr. Swoopes drops his eyes and doesn't see field when moving left.

Zone read, would love to know if he was really trying to read it or if told what do. Doesn't look like it was a true read. The Ok. St. stuff in middle of yr looked ok, but we go away from that.

Heard could run zone read but decision made not to burn shirt no matter cost.

Now it looks we have a shell shocked Qb in Swoopes and an unknown in

Heard.......Will Watson and staff do a better job putting them in better chance

To succeed next yr.

Sorry for the ramblings

Thanks for this comment. As a former QB myself, I instantly wondered why they kept rolling a right handed QB to the left when he was already struggling anyway. It is much harder to square up and throw a good pass rolling left but yet all year long they kept rolling him left. Cant tell you how many times I hollered at my tv about it. I know you have to change it up but wasnt exactly helping Swoopes out doing it all the time. That was my my major complaint about play calling.

Secondly, you guys cant have it both ways. You cant say Swoopes has no talent as a QB but then expect the coaches to make him successful no more than you can teach a duck to crow like a rooster.  If you are saying he has talent but wasnt used properly, thats a different story. But thats not what I am hearing and I felt the same. I think the coaches just sucked it up and kept the shirt on Heard and made lemonade out of lemons.

Does Strong announce a starter in spring? If he does and names Heard starter and then Swoopes decides to transfer, we go into next year with the same scenario as this year. A freshman QB with a true frosh backup in Gentry most likely who they may want to keep the shirt on again. We really need a game ready QB or a Gentry or some other freshman to be a stud and ready to play if needed.

 

[pringlelake]

Mr. Cherry, that is on Mack, too. Why did he run off every qb we had? At least, every back-up not named Case. The train wreck Charlie inherited rests on the weak shoulders of one Mack Brown-the tight ends, qbs, oline, discipline issues, and strength & conditioning. The linebacker issues earlier in the season could be thrown in, as well luckily many of those are much improved.

I am also of the opinion (I know, I'm full of them this am) that Mack recruited passive players, if possible, because he loathed conflict. Passive does not win football games.

Hook 'em!

The train wreck Charlie inherited all started when one of the all time great coaches at the University of Texas, Mack Brown, inexplicably decided to change his offensive philosophy which was highly dependent upon a dual threat quarterback and turned toward a drop back passing scheme somewhat akin to what Charlie Strong used this year and apparently wants to use for the future. So far as I know, every quarterback Mack recruited left because they wanted to leave, and not because Mack ran them off. Perhaps they didn't like the offense he was running.  If Charlie doesn't go back to running an offense that depends first and foremost on a dual threat qb, he will not fare any better than did Mack..nor he himself this year.

And further...the train wreck that Charlie was forced to play with this year was about 12 to 14 players short of what was available when Mack announced his retirement. Add those guys back to the team and it still wouldn't have been great...but sure as hell much better than what we were forced to play with this year.

Hind sight is always 20/20. Much of the blame for this year's team's failure lies with Mack, but Charlie made his own bed when he came in and changed the way things were done during a mid-stream swim and ran off a substantial part of the team. Part of the blame lies on him. When anyone says.."we didn't have the talent this year"...there needs to be a qualifier along the lines of .."after we lost, for one reason or another, 14 players from last year's team that may have helped us"...we didn't have any talent.

 

[pringlelake]

Mr. Cherry, thank you for your honesty. That was the only explanation for some of his decisions, but it's such a strange mindset for a football coach. I believe the few alphas that got past him and through the door probably intimidated the daylights out of him. Muschamp must have terrified him.

Good night. Are you kidding me? If I started right now.... typing the names of all the super football players that Mack brought to UT ...I'd still be going 15 minutes later. You don't know Mack Brown if you think he was intimidated by alpha males. Ask Cedric Benson whether or not you want to tangle with Mack.

So far as Muschamp.... you think he terrified Mack?? Mack was the guy that made the huge mistake of putting him in the position of coach in waiting solely for the ability to be able to pay him enough money to keep him.