SEC vs Big 12

[J.B. TexasEx]

It has to happen to at least one conference every year since there are 5 conferences, but four seeds. The insult comes if the SEC gets 2 and there are 2 other conferences frozen out. What I hope eventually happens is that when the big money schools split off into their own division that the schools land in 4 different conferences. I'm guessing that the SEC survives, adding a couple of schools, then the PAC12, Big10, Big 12, and ACC collapse into 3 conferences. Each conference has a CCG and those champions go on to the 4 team playoff. That seems the most interesting to me.

Four regional conferences aligned by geography?

That would be a beautiful and sensible thing. Unfortunately, how do we do this while keeping everybody happy? Can we avoid an antitrust lawsuit from the MWC and AAC? No easy answers.

 

[doc longhorn]

Well, it all comes down to money.

If you endorse Big 12 expansion, like I do, what teams out there would most likely benefit from the national exposure an OU or a UT would bring to them? Of course a Cincy or Louisville would, but what do THEY bring to the conference money pie? More to the point, what interest would the networks have in them?

When talking expansion, this is the type of thinking you must consider. Who would be the most attracted TO us and who would be the most attractive FOR us? I mean money wise?

Here are my candidates:

Miami

Clemson

UCF

BYU

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Well, it all comes down to money.
If you endorse Big 12 expansion, like I do, what teams out there would most likely benefit from the national exposure an OU or a UT would bring to them? Of course a Cincy or Louisville would, but what do THEY bring to the conference money pie? More to the point, what interest would the networks have in them?

When talking expansion, this is the type of thinking you must consider. Who would be the most attracted TO us and who would be the most attractive FOR us? I mean money wise?

Here are my candidates:

Miami

Clemson

UCF

BYU

Agree, and I go after FSU at the same time I go after Miami. UCF in the mix would make it more appealing to all three. I only go after BYU if I absolutely have to. Geographically, they're a nightmare.

 

[coolhorn]

Well, it all comes down to money.
If you endorse Big 12 expansion, like I do, what teams out there would most likely benefit from the national exposure an OU or a UT would bring to them? Of course a Cincy or Louisville would, but what do THEY bring to the conference money pie? More to the point, what interest would the networks have in them?

When talking expansion, this is the type of thinking you must consider. Who would be the most attracted TO us and who would be the most attractive FOR us? I mean money wise?

Here are my candidates:

Miami

Clemson

UCF

BYU

Yeah Doc...we've talked about this a long time. We're usually on the same page about most things UT, but I just don't see us getting two or three from the southeast quadrant. We either find a way to add six from over there so they can have their own division, or find some way to merge the best of the Big XII and ACC football schools into one sixteen team league. I wouldn't be against either of those things but I just don't see it happening. Absent that happening, I think the Big XII's in a lot of trouble, and sooner rather than later. There's just nobody else worthwhile to add to get to twelve teams. If you do BYU and UCF, you wind up with noplace easy to put either without them being on the same kind of island WVU is on. Like I said, as much as I'd like there to be one, I just don't see any easy answers.

 

[doc longhorn]

Yeah Doc...we've talked about this a long time. We're usually on the same page about most things UT, but I just don't see us getting two or three from the southeast quadrant. We either find a way to add six from over there so they can have their own division, or find some way to merge the best of the Big XII and ACC football schools into one sixteen team league. I wouldn't be against either of those things but I just don't see it happening. Absent that happening, I think the Big XII's in a lot of trouble, and sooner rather than later. There's just nobody else worthwhile to add to get to twelve teams. If you do BYU and UCF, you wind up with noplace easy to put either without them being on the same kind of island WVU is on. Like I said, as much as I'd like there to be one, I just don't see any easy answers.

You are right about BYU - geographically they don't make sense - particularly for the east coast teams. But dirty lucre drives these decisions and they would bring it.

FSU makes the biggest sense, but why would they bolt from the ACC? Essentially they are in the same football cat birds seat, in the ACC, that we are in the Big 12. They dominate the conference, in football, so why would they leave?

 

[texasdalton]

No ond has mentioned joining the big 10. Alot of big traditionally good schools.

 

[SFlonghorngirl]

No ond has mentioned joining the big 10. Alot of big traditionally good schools.

Yes Big Ten does have traditional powers but it's also a dying conference. Dying in a sense that the traditonal powers are no longer dominant in college football. The economy in the Rust Belt doesn't help either.

 

[TexasFirst1]

Passing on FSU + 1 last year was the death knell of the Big 12. Staggering in its myopic stupidity by Bowlsby and Dodds. Missed the chance to set the Big-12 as a major, enduring conference. It is no accident that recruiting in the Big 12 has collapsed. Now there is no going back for almost a decade. Having said that, can you imagine anything worse than sitting where aggy is in the SEC? A massive surge of talent into their conference with JFF/Evans departing and their whole sorry defense coming back. They have a less than zero chance of EVER winning a conference title or MNC in the SEC.

At least UT has a very plausible chance to make the final 4 in 2014 and OU exposed the reality that 5 Stars are not everything by beating Alabama after OU got blown out by Mack/Case. It is just beyond tragic that Bowlsby Dodds blew it for the Big 12.

 

[coolhorn]

No ond has mentioned joining the big 10. Alot of big traditionally good schools.

Nobody's mentioned it because it ain't happening. UT would be on the same kind of island that West Virginia is in the Big XII.

 

[jfwilljr]

The SEC had and has three good teams and aggy wasn't one of them. It's Alabama, Auburn and LSU and all the wannnabe's behind them. The Big 12 had and has two good teams - OU and UT, and all the wannabe's behind them. Let's don't get carried away with Baylor and OSU. Blind hogs find an acorn every now and then and it's good the alsorans win now and then. It causes rededication out of the two real powers and sometime even a necessary purging.
All things being equal, our two powerhouses will beat any of the three SEC powerhouses and the historical records show this to be true.

You youngsters on here need to calm down about aggy, OSU and Baylor - they will return to their place in the grand scheme of things, as will OU and UT. Bet on it.

Wait. Alabama, Auburn and LSU are the good teams in the SEC now but Florida most recently and Tennessee and Georgia before them have been good as well. Just because Florida stinks now doesn't make them a wannabe. Multiple championships in the last few years proves that. What makes the SEC good is that there are always 3-4 teams in the mix. The Big 12 is perceived as weak because it's always been Texas and OU and everybody else. The former Big 2 Little 6 Conference joined the holdovers from the SWC and became the Big 2 Little 10 Conference. You better hope OSU and BU don't return to their place but rather maintain their progress and competitiveness. If you want the Big 12 to regain prestige and/or have any chance of survival, it needs 3-4 strong, competitive teams in the mix every year...just like the SEC blueprint.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Wait. Alabama, Auburn and LSU are the good teams in the SEC now but Florida most recently and Tennessee and Georgia before them have been good as well. Just because Florida stinks now doesn't make them a wannabe. Multiple championships in the last few years proves that. What makes the SEC good is that there are always 3-4 teams in the mix. The Big 12 is perceived as weak because it's always been Texas and OU and everybody else. The former Big 2 Little 6 Conference joined the holdovers from the SWC and became the Big 2 Little 10 Conference. You better hope OSU and BU don't return to their place but rather maintain their progress and competitiveness. If you want the Big 12 to regain prestige and/or have any chance of survival, it needs 3-4 strong, competitive teams in the mix every year...just like the SEC blueprint.

K-State has had good moments, too. Just not enough of 'em. I like them, Baylor, and OSU to remain competitive short-term. Hopefully, they can sustain it.

 

[doc longhorn]

Wait. Alabama, Auburn and LSU are the good teams in the SEC now but Florida most recently and Tennessee and Georgia before them have been good as well. Just because Florida stinks now doesn't make them a wannabe. Multiple championships in the last few years proves that. What makes the SEC good is that there are always 3-4 teams in the mix. The Big 12 is perceived as weak because it's always been Texas and OU and everybody else. The former Big 2 Little 6 Conference joined the holdovers from the SWC and became the Big 2 Little 10 Conference. You better hope OSU and BU don't return to their place but rather maintain their progress and competitiveness. If you want the Big 12 to regain prestige and/or have any chance of survival, it needs 3-4 strong, competitive teams in the mix every year...just like the SEC blueprint.

Having just 2 or 3 dominant teams is the way every conference is - including the PAC and the B1G. And that is the way it always will be. If you are going to say the SEC had Florida, then you are, also, going to have to say the Big 12 had Nebraska. It is all relative.

And it is cyclical as well - at one time Rice and Yale were power houses.

What you look for is conference trends - who are the traditional powers.

 

[java]

The alternative conferences are either too far away or have insurmountable academic deficiencies and cheating.
Our best bet is to work on expanding the playoff system and breaking down division 1 into 64 schools instead of 120. This should lead to 4 16 team super conferences. That would solve the travel problem.

I agree. That is why I have always been in favor of a 64 team Division I system with a full blown playoff.

If there is anyone out there that thinks the bottom 56 schools in Division I belong there, please justify it. They do not. When a school cannot pay for the necessities to properly provide for the health and training of their athletes, they do not belong in Division I. One example, Texas, for many years, has done more stringent screening tests to incoming student athletes in order to detect many of the types of problems that can cause sudden collapse and death. (Perhaps a medical professional can elaborate.)

NCAA: The NCAA also needs to get a clue and allow universities to provide a proper training table for all student athletes, 24/7. This could prevent injury and provide long-lasting health benefits. If the NCAA is impotent in areas of enforcement, they could at least be an agent for positive change. If not, the top tier universities (Texas, are you listening?), should put a team of the best lawyers together to sue the NCAA to allow for a full-time training table, in the best interest of the student athlete.

I don't know about ya'll, but a few high powered UT lawyers partnered with attorneys from other influential universities would probably have the NCAA on their heals in no time whatsoever. It would actually be beneficial for the athletes.

I'll get off my soapbox now, and listen. I apologize for the rant. The NCAA annoys me.

 

[java]

Regarding the GOR in the Big 12, how long is it? I was thinking 7 years, but that may be wrong. At the end of the period, can a school opt out? Is there an automatic renewal for a 1 year period, more? How much notice is required?

How many schools must agree to disband the conference? I just don't see that happening, unless two schools could decide to do it on their own.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Regarding the GOR in the Big 12, how long is it? I was thinking 7 years, but that may be wrong. At the end of the period, can a school opt out? Is there an automatic renewal for a 1 year period, more? How much notice is required?
How many schools must agree to disband the conference? I just don't see that happening, unless two schools could decide to do it on their own.

I believe it was originally signed for 7 years, but very shortly after was extended all the way out to 2023.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

I'm sorry, it's actually signed through 2025.

Out Kick the Coverage has a nice article explaining the myth of the GOR, and why it might not make a difference in a court of law. I'm not a lawyer, the writer of the article is, so I have no idea the accuracy of it.

http://m.outkickthecoverage.com/myth-of-the-big-12s-grant-of-rights.php

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