QB Isn't the Problem (by Ryan Bridges)

[DMAC]

You do realize the defense gave up 28 points because of the blocked FG and short fields due to poor offensive play?

Ok I am not sure whether to laugh or cry at this.  So short fields is the reason?  One blocked FG.  You need to reassess my friend.  Maryland ran at will and if you cant see that then i cant help you

 

[NLeininger]

Ok I am not sure whether to laugh or cry at this.  So short fields is the reason?  One blocked FG.  You need to reassess my friend.  Maryland ran at will and if you cant see that then i cant help you

Yes short fields, change in momentum. You do realize the defense also stepped up after a muffed KO inside their 20, stopped Maryland, and we got a blocked FG for a TD as well.

So yes, all 3 phases of team had awful stretches of football that lead to the loss. No one phase clearly outplayed the other. I don't need to reassess a damn thing, cause I see the big picture.

Despite the bad stretches of play it was a 3 point game going into the 4Q, and again both the offense(0 points in the 1st 13 minutes) and defense(giving up the 40 yard pass on 3rd and 18) lead to the loss.

 

[DMAC]

I don't need to reassess a damn thing, cause I see the big picture.

Yes you do.  I have Marylands 6.1 yards per rush that says so.  I am not going to say a great offense DOES NOT helps the defense.  Of course it does.  But if this problem was a short field issue due to the offense then Maryland would probably score 90 while staying 300 yards of total offense.  

Dude seriously wake up a little.  So you are saying we lost cause our offense that gained 470 yards AND we should EXPECT to win the other team scores 51 points.   That is nuts.

First column is Maryland and second it Texas


Yards per pass


14.6


7.1



Yards per rush


6.1


3.2

 

[NLeininger]

It's hilarious you hold the defense accountable for 51 points, even though it was really 44 due to the kick 6. But fail to assign any blame to an offense that for 57 minutes scored 13 points and had 398 yards in a winnable game. During this time, the Texas offense turned the ball over to Maryland twice at midfield, and once on their 24 yard line. Maryland scored 3 TDs on those drives. But hey the offense picked up those final 78 yards and TD when Maryland didn't even give a shit.

The Texas offense finally scored their 1st points of the game with 8 minutes to in the 3Q, after the defense held Maryland to a 3 and out (after Buechele couldn't make a simple progression), and got them the ball back at the Maryland 38 yard line.

The Texas defense spotted the offense 7 points and all the momentum, and then the QB that deserves no blame can't even execute a simple read and throw and takes a 16 yard loss on the 1st offensive play of the game. Leading to an INT on his 1st attempt after he overthrew his WR by 5 yards, giving him no shot at making a play.

I'm sorry it seems too complicated to you that these units don't operate in vacuums.

And no I'm saying Texas lost because neither the offense, defense, special teams, nor coaching did anything at a consistent enough level to win a game.

 

[DMAC]

(after Buechele couldn't make a simple progression)

I cant help you other than than to say Read the headline of this thread by Ryan Bridges.  Maybe the light will flicker on for you at some point.  I stopped reading after your lame argument from 51 to 44 points.  Please carry on with your "big picture"

Ill post this again but I halfway expect to say we should have done better offensively than Maryland did in Yards per Play.  Heres a thought maybe keep Maryland under that.  Mind blowing I know but its just a thought

First column is Maryland and second it Texas


Yards per pass


14.6


7.1




Yards per rush


6.1


3.2

 

[NLeininger]

I cant help you other than than to say Read the headline of this thread by Ryan Bridges.  Maybe the light will flicker on for you at some point.  I stopped reading after your lame argument from 51 to 44 points.  Please carry on with your "big picture"

No worries, we see things differently. It's fine. You think an offense that scores 20 points in the Big 12 is a great thing and deserves no blame, or that a QB that is not even on the field when 23 of the team's 41 are scored is a Heisman contender. Can't help you at all when that is your logical thought process.

 

[DMAC]

No worries, we see things differently. It's fine. You think an offense that scores 20 points in the Big 12 is a great thing and deserves no blame, can't help you at all when that is your logical thought process.

Haha chicken and the egg.  Well brother I get it your the video game football lover.  If it takes more than 51 oops I mean 44 to win a game then stick to that logic and see how it turns out, see Texas Tech for further help.

 

[oldhorn2]

You do realize the defense gave up 28 points because of the blocked FG and short fields due to poor offensive play?

Not excusing their play, because when it was bad it was really abysmal, but as I pointed out, Maryland ran 9 for 313 yards. Their other 49 plays 169 yards.

So again context counts.

Wow....ok...the offense was not great, but that was more on poor play calling than poor Qb play. ...yep...I agree Shane did not throw well on that 4th and 24 and it gave them good field position....and only 20 points?...yeah that was crappy not scoring down on the goal, but that was more play calling than lack of QB play....say....did you count the number of long drives by Maryland?...40 yd KO return followed by a 60 yd run?...You dont see any picture, much less the big one...but go ahead and act like you know what you are talking about.

 

[DMAC]

Its simple math really.  If Maryland is averaging 6.2 yards per rush thats a first down every 2 plays.  For a team not known for passing yet they averaged 14+ yards per pass.  I dont think Shane is playing MAC, could be wrong though.

Besides here was the predictions:

Aaron Carrara: Texas 42, Maryland 24

Jameson McCausland: Texas 35, Maryland 10

Harrison Wier: Texas 45, Maryland 24

Ross Labenske: Texas 38, Maryland 17

Daniel Seahorn: Texas 42, Maryland 17

20 points would have been enough on the majority of those predictions.  But considering we gave up 51 oops i mean 44 only one of those was enough to win.  <_<

I will admit the offense was poor though but I thought it was good enough to win that game.  Defense was the goat.

 

[RickyFlair]

Let me get this straight. Our offense gave Maryland a short field and that allowed them to get 490 or so yards and score 44 pts. Of course our Offense only scored 20 pts but most of those shouldn't count because we kept throwing short passes. Lastly Shane has started 13 games and is the most experienced skill position player and I guess you only need skill position players to win so Buechele being our most experienced offensive skill player and the offense being responsible for the offense and defense stinking it up then of çourse Buechele lost the game and needs to be blamed. Because if we win he will get all the glory. Makes sense now that I've typed it out. 

 

[oldhorn2]

DMAC...you and RickyFlair are apparently missing the point because if this guy is holding his theories  over our resident expert Ryan Bridges, yall must be completely off track.

 

[NLeininger]

Its simple math really.  If Maryland is averaging 6.2 yards per rush thats a first down every 2 plays.  For a team not known for passing yet they averaged 14+ yards per pass.  I dont think Shane is playing MAC, could be wrong though.

Besides here was the predictions:

Aaron Carrara: Texas 42, Maryland 24

Jameson McCausland: Texas 35, Maryland 10

Harrison Wier: Texas 45, Maryland 24

Ross Labenske: Texas 38, Maryland 17

Daniel Seahorn: Texas 42, Maryland 17

20 points would have been enough on the majority of those predictions.  But considering we gave up 51 oops i mean 44 only one of those was enough to win.  <_<

I will admit the offense was poor though but I thought it was good enough to win that game.  Defense was the goat.

Lol, so they predicted that Texas would average 40.4 in this game, yet the offense missed that mark by 20 points, yet the offense deserves no blame. It was the play calling that lead to Shane sacking himself on the 1st play. It was poor play calling that caused Shane to miss an open Collin Johnson right before half that would have been a TD if he throws over the correct shoulder. It was play calling that made Shane make a poor pre-snap read to throw the ball to Warren 5 yards short of the GL on 4th down, instead of holding the ball a tick longer and finding Leonard wide open for a TD. It was play calling that caused him to call a line audible, only to have him hold the ball and take another sack.

You guys fail to acknowledge that the game plan accentuated Shane's strengths as a QB. Short passes on time and in rhythm, he was 23-28 on those attempts. He was 11-22 when asked to push the ball down the field and make reads post snap. You guys love to assign blame to anyone on the team if they don't operate at a 100% efficiency, yet somehow Shane gets a pass, because he added those garbage time stats in the final 2 minutes.

 

[RickyFlair]

I guess I was unclear. I'm not trying to blame any ONE person. The whole group including the coaching was bad. I would like to believe the offensive play calling was designed to take what the defense was giving not just what Shane could do well. If it was for the QB benefit I would assume we would have run the ball more to limit his passing completely. You seem to be suggesting that a different QB would have fixed everything. The article admited the QB play wasn't perfect but it wasn't the reason for the loss. 

 

[NLeininger]

That's been my problem with the premise of the article. In game like this one, there was not one position on the field that played at a level consistent enough to win the game. I find no justification in assigning more blame to one position group over another. There were plays that Shane could have made that may have won the game, he didn't make them. There were plays the kicker could have made to win the game and he didn't make them. There were plays every single defensive player could have made to help win the game and they didn't make them.

To say Wheeler is 50% to blame, and Warren is 23% to blame, and Locke is 15% to blame is stupid. To say Shane is completely without blame is retarded.

I take that back, Dickson punted at an AA level. He played at a level consistent to winning the football game.

 

[DMAC]

 

[DBut82]

Y'all watching Gameday? Y'all hear what Ricky Williams is saying regarding Heard playing?