On this day in 1836. . . .

[echeese]

Davey Crockett arrived at the Alamo .. .

You all may go to hell .. .

I will go to Tejas. . .

While not as popular as John Wayne's version . .loved the historical accuracy of the 2nd. . . .

Whether Davey died on the wall or was killed afterward matters not. . .one of the dumbest debates going . .. .but if captured. . .I could see it going down this way. .

 

[Topstarr]

OK so lets fight and take it to them Dogs and we as Texans will have NO QUARTER NO MERCY CRY HAVOC and LET SLIP THE DOGS of WAR on you Dogs

 

[Topstarr]

OK

 

[castlebravo1]

Davy Crockett, a great Tennessean. Crockett County, TN is named after him. The county seat is Alamo, TN.

 

[POCKEY]

I spent most of my days training on horseback when they shot that scene. It was cold as hell those days.

I remember watching several takes of Billy Bob's speech. At one point, wardrobe came over and asked me to put on a Mexican uniform to stand in deep background to give some of the extras an opportunity to go to one of the tents and get warm. Since my Character, Edward Burleson, was largely left on the cutting room floor, I thought it would be ironic if only my face made it in in deep background as a Mexican Conscript.

BTW, Billy Bob's portrayal of Crocket was the best thing about Hancock's Alamo. As I have written many times, Quaid pretty much shoved the movie in the dumpster, along with Disney's editing edicts.

 

[echeese]

Not that is a cool story . . .

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I spent most of my days training on horseback when they shot that scene. It was cold as hell those days.
I remember watching several takes of Billy Bob's speech. At one point, wardrobe came over and asked me to put on a Mexican uniform to stand in deep background to give some of the extras an opportunity to go to one of the tents and get warm. Since my Character, Edward Burleson, was largely left on the cutting room floor, I thought it would be ironic if only my face made it in in deep background as a Mexican Conscript.

BTW, Billy Bob's portrayal of Crocket was the best thing about Hancock's Alamo. As I have written many times, Quaid pretty much shoved the movie in the dumpster, along with Disney's editing edicts.

Interesting that you say that. I always thought Quaid way over did it in that role. Not one of his better moments in film.

It is difficult to watch that final scene with Thornton playing the fiddle without shedding a tear.

 

[POCKEY]

Interesting that you say that. I always thought Quaid way over did it in that role. Not one of his better moments in film.

One thing actors do not do on set is question another actors choices. You learn to work with them regardless of what they are doing. Maybe I should say, in spite of what they are doing.

In the scene where we were all gathered to challenge Houston(Quaid) before he delivered his speech he squenchened up his face hunched over his shoulders and then began to deliver his speech, much of which he botched( he has a tuuurable time remembering his lines.)

As he began to speak each of us set in the tent began to look at each other out of the corner of our eyes. We didn't have to actually say anything to each other, we knew what we were thinking. We each thought " holy hell, is he really going to do it this way."

Later that night we were in the van headed back to the Omni. Quaid was shuttled to his hotel in a limo. After the first few minutes in the van, someone began to chuckle which led to all of just laughing out load. No one uttered a word about what we were laughing at, but we all knew.

Yes, his choices were bizaare and we got a good laugh but the fact is his portrayal of Sam Houston really brought the movie down. Granted a bunch of stuff shot around Houston was cut, the whole Houston retreating to the woods to be with his Indian friends and almost drinking himself to death, the whole runaway scrape and the toll it took on the Texians that remained etc. but Quaid really screwed to pooch iyam.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

One thing actors do not do on set is question another actors choices. You learn to work with them regardless of what they are doing. Maybe I should say, in spite of what they are doing.
In the scene where we were all gathered to challenge Houston(Quaid) before he delivered his speech he squenchened up his face hunched over his shoulders and then began to deliver his speech, much of which he botched( he has a tuuurable time remembering his lines.)

As he began to speak each of us set in the tent began to look at each other out of the corner of our eyes. We didn't have to actually say anything to each other, we knew what we were thinking. We each thought " holy hell, is he really going to do it this way."

Later that night we were in the van headed back to the Omni. Quaid was shuttled to his hotel in a limo. After the first few minutes in the van, someone began to chuckle which led to all of just laughing out load. No one uttered a word about what we were laughing at, but we all knew.

Yes, his choices were bizaare and we got a good laugh but the fact is his portrayal of Sam Houston really brought the movie down. Granted a bunch of stuff shot around Houston was cut, the whole Houston retreating to the woods to be with his Indian friends and almost drinking himself to death, the whole runaway scrape and the toll it took on the Texians that remained etc. but Quaid really screwed to pooch iyam.

Wow, thanks for sharing that behind the scenes insight. That stuff just fascinates me. When it comes to Texas history stuff, I want to see it all so that news about so much being cut, Houston's retreat to the Indians, etc. makes me wish I could have seen those scenes.

Quaid's performance leads you to believe Houston spent the whole time pissed off.

Again, thanks for sharing. Very interesting stuff!

 

[POCKEY]

Wow, thanks for sharing that behind the scenes insight. That stuff just fascinates me. When it comes to Texas history stuff, I want to see it all so that news about so much being cut, Houston's retreat to the Indians, etc. makes me wish I could have seen those scenes.
Quaid's performance leads you to believe Houston spent the whole time pissed off.

Again, thanks for sharing. Very interesting stuff!

At the Premiere in San Antonio's Majestic Theater, John Lee Hancock got up and basically apologized for what we were about to see. He explained his first cut was three hours forty minutes. He didn't want to cut any further but Disney insisted and after at least a dozen more cuts they settled on a two hour twenty minute final cut.

There was so much left out. Marc Blacus who played Bonham and had a cast number of 8 was totally cut. Even voiced over in the reading of final fair well letters. Unbelievable. He was told before he made the trip over from LA for the Premiere so he wouldn't be surprised and disappointed. He didn't show. Don't blame him.

There were weeks worth of shots of Goliad falling, Gonzales falling and being burned, the time spent with the Indians, the forcing of the Conscripts by Santa Ana and the runaway scrape that simply were left out do to time. Hancock shot an Epic and Disney wanted a Character Study. They got neither.

I ran into John Lee about five years ago and we discussed where things stood. He said if he got some down time he would finish his Directors Cut that he had started. He said it would be a two parter with each part just short of two hours. He said the scenes weren't the problem It was all the additional scoring required and he would have to rise the money for that. He Had been told there was no way there would be a DVD market to justify the additional expenses but he really wanted to do it.

Me, personally, would love to see it. Maybe my speech to Houston would make it in. Prolly not.

BTW, that is me riding hard towards the Mexican encampment in the San Jacinto scenes.

 

[SFlonghorngirl]

I spent most of my days training on horseback when they shot that scene. It was cold as hell those days.
I remember watching several takes of Billy Bob's speech. At one point, wardrobe came over and asked me to put on a Mexican uniform to stand in deep background to give some of the extras an opportunity to go to one of the tents and get warm. Since my Character, Edward Burleson, was largely left on the cutting room floor, I thought it would be ironic if only my face made it in in deep background as a Mexican Conscript.

BTW, Billy Bob's portrayal of Crocket was the best thing about Hancock's Alamo. As I have written many times, Quaid pretty much shoved the movie in the dumpster, along with Disney's editing edicts.

Pockey, what other movies/tv shows have you been in?

 

[Epictetus]

On this day in Austin, this sunset in the area,... posted on my twitter by local photographer...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/Millerbars">@Millerbars</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Thirtyist">@Thirtyist</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TxStormChasers">@TxStormChasers</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ChikageKEYETV">@ChikageKEYETV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/atxhipsters">@atxhipsters</a> Same sunset but earlier 2.8.14 <a href="http://t.co/iuebxmDowA">pic.twitter.com/iuebxmDowA</a></p>— adrian gutierrez (@photAGraph) <a href="

https://twitter.com/photAGraph/statuses/432331895024525312">February 9, 2014</a></blockquote><script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Sirhornsalot]

At the Premiere in San Antonio's Majestic Theater, John Lee Hancock got up and basically apologized for what we were about to see. He explained his first cut was three hours forty minutes. He didn't want to cut any further but Disney insisted and after at least a dozen more cuts they settled on a two hour twenty minute final cut.
There was so much left out. Marc Blacus who played Bonham and had a cast number of 8 was totally cut. Even voiced over in the reading of final fair well letters. Unbelievable. He was told before he made the trip over from LA for the Premiere so he wouldn't be surprised and disappointed. He didn't show. Don't blame him.

There were weeks worth of shots of Goliad falling, Gonzales falling and being burned, the time spent with the Indians, the forcing of the Conscripts by Santa Ana and the runaway scrape that simply were left out do to time. Hancock shot an Epic and Disney wanted a Character Study. They got neither.

I ran into John Lee about five years ago and we discussed where things stood. He said if he got some down time he would finish his Directors Cut that he had started. He said it would be a two parter with each part just short of two hours. He said the scenes weren't the problem It was all the additional scoring required and he would have to rise the money for that. He Had been told there was no way there would be a DVD market to justify the additional expenses but he really wanted to do it.

Me, personally, would love to see it. Maybe my speech to Houston would make it in. Prolly not.

BTW, that is me riding hard towards the Mexican encampment in the San Jacinto scenes.

I sure hope Mr Lee is able to pull off the director's cut version. I would buy it in a heartbeat.

I will be sure to check out that scene where the Texians descend on the Mexicans at San Jacinto scenes. Hopefully, you were about to kick some tail.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Pockey, what other movies/tv shows have you been in?

 

[echeese]

At the Premiere in San Antonio's Majestic Theater, John Lee Hancock got up and basically apologized for what we were about to see. He explained his first cut was three hours forty minutes. He didn't want to cut any further but Disney insisted and after at least a dozen more cuts they settled on a two hour twenty minute final cut.
There was so much left out. Marc Blacus who played Bonham and had a cast number of 8 was totally cut. Even voiced over in the reading of final fair well letters. Unbelievable. He was told before he made the trip over from LA for the Premiere so he wouldn't be surprised and disappointed. He didn't show. Don't blame him.

There were weeks worth of shots of Goliad falling, Gonzales falling and being burned, the time spent with the Indians, the forcing of the Conscripts by Santa Ana and the runaway scrape that simply were left out do to time. Hancock shot an Epic and Disney wanted a Character Study. They got neither.

I ran into John Lee about five years ago and we discussed where things stood. He said if he got some down time he would finish his Directors Cut that he had started. He said it would be a two parter with each part just short of two hours. He said the scenes weren't the problem It was all the additional scoring required and he would have to rise the money for that. He Had been told there was no way there would be a DVD market to justify the additional expenses but he really wanted to do it.

Me, personally, would love to see it. Maybe my speech to Houston would make it in. Prolly not.

BTW, that is me riding hard towards the Mexican encampment in the San Jacinto scenes.

Add me to the list that would love to see the Directors cut. . . .

 

[DocHorn]

Add me to the list that would love to see the Directors cut. . . .

Me as well