Okay, I'll Say It. I Want Tom Herman at Texas

[Bear19]

Maybe these kids exhibit more patience, understanding and desire than their fan counterparts.

Some of them do. And I am glad for that. I wish Whaley was in that group.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

With the shit show we have displayed the last two season and rumors, i am amazed that he has been able to convince these kids to even consider coming here. But they are exactly that kids.

I believe anyone who served in the military will beg to differ on that point. 18-year old young men aren't "kids". Let's stop coddling them.

They're old enough to go to war and  make an informed decision about their futures.

 

[The Bry-Man81]

I believe anyone who served in the military will beg to differ on that point. 18-year old young men aren't "kids". Let's stop coddling them.

They're old enough to go to war and make an informed decision about their futures.

I'm not speaking from experience at all, but it is my thought that these 18 year olds in the military that you are talking about... Well, I think they go into the military as kids, and they come out as adults. When they go into the military, especially those that served during war times, are forced to grow up pretty quickly. These 18 year old football players have never been in a situation where they have been forced to grow up and act as adults, and so they don't.
That being said, some 18 year olds are definitely more mature than others.

Maybe those with experience as an 18 year old in the military can correct me, but that's just my thought.

 

[Bear19]

I'm not speaking from experience at all, but it is my thought that these 18 year olds in the military that your are talking about... Well, I think they go into the military as kids, and they come out as adults. When they go into the military, especially those that served during war times, are forced to grow up pretty quickly. These 18 year old football players have never been in a situation where they have been forced to grow up and act as adults, and so they don't.

That being said, some 18 year olds are definitely more mature than others.

Maybe those with experience as an 18 year old in the military can correct me, but that's just my thought.

There's nothing to correct.

 

[jonofui]

I am not sure why everyone acts surprised when Whaley decides to pick Georgia and then pick Arkansas over Texas.

Recruits and potential OC's are worried about Strong stay at Texas.  I wonder why...he has won 11 games in 2 years and consistently gets blown out.

The depth chart at piggy has a much cleaner route to playing time than we do. As of right now that is the best choice for him. Did you not watch our returning RB's this season?

 

[DMAC]

The depth chart at piggy has a much cleaner route to playing time than we do. As of right now that is the best choice for him. Did you not watch our returning RB's this season?

It has been well documented in the recruiting forum that Whaley likes Texas but is worried about both Strong and TRob staying at Texas.  

Juan has a few posts there and information regarding that.

Yes pigs give Whaley the better opportunity to compete for playing time.

I have watched every game since the McWilliam era so I am fully aware of Foreman/Warren and have been pushing for Foreman to start over Gray all year.

 

[Coal Harbour]

texasdalton, on 02 Jan 2016 - 12:31 PM, said:

I think Strong is a great man, defensive coach, and recruiter but head coach not so much.

this^^^

So, despite leading Louisville to two of the best seasons in school history as head coach, his first two seasons at UT leads you to determine he isn't head coach material?  I doubt he has forgotten how to function as a head coach, which leads me to think it might have something to do with talent.  He is responsible for that, but only had time when hired to keep existing class Mack put together and the only class that CS and his staff recruited for a year produced 9 true freshmen which contributed significantly.  I get frustration and I'm not happy with lopsided losses, but I'm not convinced a coach like Tom Herman would have produced anything different IMO. 

 

[Coal Harbour]

Head coaches or fired or given raises based on the performance of the QB position.  Mack Brown was a big time coach with Vince Young and Colt McCoy and a dead man walking with Garrett Gilbert and Case McCoy despite being the same guy.  Heard and Swoopes have a low ceiling of potential success and Strong's job will depend on the production of Buechele and Locksley.  DMAC, you will probably get your wish and Strong's successor will benefit from the talent upgrade across the board.

 

[DMAC]

So, despite leading Louisville to two of the best seasons in school history as head coach, his first two seasons at UT leads you to determine he isn't head coach material?  I doubt he has forgotten how to function as a head coach, which leads me to think it might have something to do with talent.  He is responsible for that, but only had time when hired to keep existing class Mack put together and the only class that CS and his staff recruited for a year produced 9 true freshmen which contributed significantly.  I get frustration and I'm not happy with lopsided losses, but I'm not convinced a coach like Tom Herman would have produced anything different IMO. 

I love this.

You have managed to touch on every reason/justification/excuse for Strong's record I have read to date in one short paragraph.

1.  Talent

2.  Louisville

3.  The 2014 recruits were Macks not his guys.

4.  Forced to play freshmen

5.  Herman hasn't proved himself.

My response to each above:

1.  Talent?  If that's truly the overwhelming reason for 2 losing seasons, why is Houston 13-1?  Coaching

2.  Teddy

3.  So DL Malcolm Brown, Ridgeway, Hicks, Diggs, Edmunds, Foreman, Vahe, Heard were Macks recruits and they were so untalented they brought down Charlie Strong record?  

4.  True, but didnt 2-3 of them get all american status.  So hardly a step down from upperclassmen.  Still went 5-6.  

5.  Yet somehow Strong has regardless of the fact Teddy pretty much carried that team his entire coaching career at Louisville.

  I doubt he has forgotten how to function as a head coach

 0-11 when the other team scores first.   Maybe he did forget how to make halftime or in game #adjustments

I'm not convinced a coach like Tom Herman would have produced anything different 

Even though Herman went 13-1 with lesser talent and beat #9 FSU, you are not convinced he could do any better than 5-6 but yet you are convinced the Strong is the guy because????

 

[jonofui]

I love this.

You have managed to touch on every reason/justification/excuse for Strong's record I have read to date in one short paragraph.

1.  Talent

2.  Louisville

3.  The 2014 recruits were Macks not his guys.

4.  Forced to play freshmen

5.  Herman hasn't proved himself.

My response to each above:

1.  Talent?  If that's truly the overwhelming reason for 2 losing seasons, why is Houston 13-1?  Coaching

2.  Teddy

3.  So DL Malcolm Brown, Ridgeway, Hicks, Diggs, Edmunds, Foreman, Vahe, Heard were Macks recruits and they were so untalented they brought down Charlie Strong record?  

4.  True, but didnt 2-3 of them get all american status.  So hardly a step down from upperclassmen.  Still went 5-6.  

5.  Yet somehow Strong has regardless of the fact Teddy pretty much carried that team his entire coaching career at Louisville.

  I doubt he has forgotten how to function as a head coach

 0-11 when the other team scores first.   Maybe he did forget how to make halftime or in game #adjustments

I'm not convinced a coach like Tom Herman would have produced anything different 

Even though Herman went 13-1 with lesser talent and beat #9 FSU, you are not convinced he could do any better than 5-6 but yet you are convinced the Strong is the guy because????

So on talent, who are the best players on the team? Please name more than just one upperclassmen for me. I believe most of the top players were freshmen or sophomores. 

Houston was a well coached team made up of... Seniors. 

Tom Herman may do better since he might not have all of the "insiders" trying to get rid of him. I've said it before, but there is no coach that I have witnessed have to go through everything Charlie Strong has. If there was one even remotely close I doubt he had a very successful season. 

 

[DMAC]

So on talent, who are the best players on the team? Please name more than just one upperclassmen for me. I believe most of the top players were freshmen or sophomores. 

Houston was a well coached team made up of... Seniors. 

Tom Herman may do better since he might not have all of the "insiders" trying to get rid of him. I've said it before, but there is no coach that I have witnessed have to go through everything Charlie Strong has. If there was one even remotely close I doubt he had a very successful season. 

SMH

2015:

Vahe - Mack

Williams - Strong

D Foreman - Mack

Warren - Strong

Burt - Strong

MJ - Strong

Jinkens - Mack

Ridgeway - Mack

Poona - Strong

Hill - Strong

D. Davis - Strong

record 5-6

2014:

Harris - Mack

M Brown(RB) - Mack

Shipley - Mack

M Brown DL - Mack

Ridegway - Mack

Edmunds - Mack

Diggs - Mack

record 6-7 * great defense

So on talent, who are the best players on the team? Please name more than just one upperclassmen for me. 

Ridgeway and Jinkens(leading tackler) come to mind.  Obviously JGray right?  How else can you explain Charlie starting Gray over Foreman and Warren for an entire year except the last 2 games.  If he was healthy he would have started the last 2 games according to Strong.  #CoachingDecisions

Houston was a well coached team made up of... Seniors. 

 
SMH, yea that soph WR playing 4th string QB that beat #21 Memphis is negligible.  
 
 
Tom Herman may do better since he might not have all of the "insiders" trying to get rid of him
 
Congrats, you picked the one Coal Harbor and I forgot.
 
Yea I feel sorry for Strong it was those damn BMD's forcing him to keep Watson and thus wasting an entire off season of such a great offensive improvement.  We should immediately return those checks and ban them.  Somehow those BMD's are infiltrating the locker room at halftime telling Charlie to not make any adjustments at halftime as well.  0-11 when the other team scores.  The poor guy should be making 10 million a year with all he has had to go through.
 

 

[jonofui]

SMH

2015:

Vahe - Mack

Williams - Strong

D Foreman - Mack

Warren - Strong

Burt - Strong

MJ - Strong

Jinkens - Mack

Ridgeway - Mack

Poona - Strong

record 5-6

2014:

Harris - Mack

M Brown(RB) - Mack

Shipley - Mack

M Brown DL - Mack

Ridegway - Mack

Edmunds - Mack

Diggs - Mack

record 6-7 * great defense

 
Houston was a well coached team made up of... Seniors. 
 
SMH, yea that soph WR playing 4th string QB that beat #21 Memphis is negligible.  
 
 
Tom Herman may do better since he might not have all of the "insiders" trying to get rid of him
 
Congrats, you picked the one Coal Harbor and I forgot.
 
 
Yea I feel sorry for Strong it was those damn BMD's forcing him to keep Watson and thus wasting an entire off season of such a great offensive improvement.  We should immediately return those checks and ban them.  Somehow those BMD's are infiltrating the locker room at halftime telling Charlie to not make any adjustments at halftime as well.  0-11 when the other team scores.  The poor guy should be making 10 million a year with all he has had to go through.

So two upperclassmen. That sounds about right. 

One soph non-QB. What about the rest of the team? 

You just aren't willing to see anything. You think everyone is just making excuses for the coach, but most of these are factors that a lot of coaches don't have to deal with. I for one never liked the Watson hire, I don't really think it was Strong's first choice. Coach Strong thought Watson changed the offense and then fell on his usual gameplan when it was finally put to the test against ND. There are times when I wonder what he is thinking when he stares off blankly, but I do think the ship is being righted. No matter what anyone says you won't change your mind and you definitely won't change mine. This is an open board where people can express their opinions. You don't like that, well tough titty. May it please the court.

 

[DMAC]

So two upperclassmen. That sounds about right. 

One soph non-QB. What about the rest of the team? 

You just aren't willing to see anything. You think everyone is just making excuses for the coach, but most of these are factors that a lot of coaches don't have to deal with. I for one never liked the Watson hire, I don't really think it was Strong's first choice. Coach Strong thought Watson changed the offense and then fell on his usual gameplan when it was finally put to the test against ND. There are times when I wonder what he is thinking when he stares off blankly, but I do think the ship is being righted. No matter what anyone says you won't change your mind and you definitely won't change mine. This is an open board where people can express their opinions. You don't like that, well tough titty. May it please the court.

You just aren't willing to see anything. 

Says the guy that claims the spare seniors "unnamed" at UH is the reason they went 13-1 and beat #9 FSU.  

Coach Strong thought Watson changed the offense and then fell on his usual gameplan when it was finally put to the test against ND

I love this.  Strong thought he changed the offense.  Well shit.  This is the most ridiculous BS excuse I have heard for a HC making 5 million a year but but but he thought!  

There are times when I wonder what he is thinking when he stares off blankly

Please tell us what you believe Strong is thinking about?  maybe its Bluebell Cookies and Cream Ice Cream.

This is an open board where people can express their opinions. You don't like that, well tough titty. May it please the court.

You are right its a forum.  You addressed me first.  So obviously you didnt like what i posted and felt compelled to come to Strong's defense.  Tough Titty for you?

 

[jonofui]

You just aren't willing to see anything. 

Says the guy that claims the spare seniors "unnamed" at UH is the reason they went 13-1 and beat #9 FSU.  

Coach Strong thought Watson changed the offense and then fell on his usual gameplan when it was finally put to the test against ND

I love this.  Strong thought he changed the offense.  Well shit.  This is the most ridiculous BS excuse I have heard for a HC making 5 million a year but but but he thought!  

There are times when I wonder what he is thinking when he stares off blankly

Please tell us what you believe Strong is thinking about?  maybe its Bluebell Cookies and Cream Ice Cream.

This is an open board where people can express their opinions. You don't like that, well tough titty. May it please the court.

You are right its a forum.  You addressed me first.  So obviously you didnt like what i posted and felt compelled to come to Strong's defense.  Tough Titty for you?

I did say well coached, but seniors they were, as admitted by Herman himself. 

Believe what you will, it is your choice. Give him more time. Great teams aren't built overnight, especially not a complete overhaul. 

I never said I knew what he was thinking. I question that about him. 

I can handle what you are saying without name calling, so no tough titty for me. The name calling you do to others not me. 

 

[DMAC]

Are talking about calling Blake a Strong apologist, sympathizer, fanboy?

So if I am a McCaffery fanboy or a Herman fanboy or maybe even a Heard fanboy?   I am a sympathizer for syrian women and children refugees and a Bedford apologist and a Obama hater.

Its amazing how you can come in with a childish comment such as "tough titty" but act condescending about the words apologist, sympathizer, and fanboy.

Thank you for your wisdom.

 

[Coal Harbour]

I love this.

You have managed to touch on every reason/justification/excuse for Strong's record I have read to date in one short paragraph.

1.  Talent

2.  Louisville

3.  The 2014 recruits were Macks not his guys.

4.  Forced to play freshmen

5.  Herman hasn't proved himself.

My response to each above:

1.  Talent?  If that's truly the overwhelming reason for 2 losing seasons, why is Houston 13-1?  Coaching

2.  Teddy

3.  So DL Malcolm Brown, Ridgeway, Hicks, Diggs, Edmunds, Foreman, Vahe, Heard were Macks recruits and they were so untalented they brought down Charlie Strong record?  

4.  True, but didnt 2-3 of them get all american status.  So hardly a step down from upperclassmen.  Still went 5-6.  

5.  Yet somehow Strong has regardless of the fact Teddy pretty much carried that team his entire coaching career at Louisville.

1.  Yes, talent, and as far as the Coogs are concerned, I guess Charlie Strong and Tom Herman are even since Charlie beat a Baylor team without a QB and Herman did the same thing vs. FSU playing their backup, great win, or is Memphis the shining moment as the Tigers went 1-4 down the stretch.  Maybe Temple is elite, wait, nope, they finished 3-4.  Ah, Navy is pretty good; aren't most military academies?

2.  Ohio State had 3 pretty good QB's when Herman was OC and Greg Ward Jr. would start at UT, no?  Can you say without a shadow of a doubt that Herman hasn't been helped by the QB's he has had?

3.  Malcolm Brown the only 1st team All Big XII.  Maybe that should go up to #1.  Think were splitting hairs here on this one, but the more freshmen you play, the more difficult it is to be a consistent winner, even you DMAC know this as fact.

4.  I did list Freshmen, this ain't college basketball!  Must be why the NFL likes them to wait 3 years before going professional.

5.  See #1, your making the argument against CS, but crediting Herman, strange.

We could just agree that UT sucks right now and be done with it, but this is more fun.

 

[DMAC]

1.  Yes, talent, and as far as the Coogs are concerned, I guess Charlie Strong and Tom Herman are even since Charlie beat a Baylor team without a QB and Herman did the same thing vs. FSU playing their backup, great win, or is Memphis the shining moment as the Tigers went 1-4 down the stretch.  Maybe Temple is elite, wait, nope, they finished 3-4.  Ah, Navy is pretty good; aren't most military academies?

2.  Ohio State had 3 pretty good QB's when Herman was OC and Greg Ward Jr. would start at UT, no?  Can you say without a shadow of a doubt that Herman hasn't been helped by the QB's he has had?

3.  Malcolm Brown the only 1st team All Big XII.  Maybe that should go up to #1.  Think were splitting hairs here on this one, but the more freshmen you play, the more difficult it is to be a consistent winner, even you DMAC know this as fact.

4.  I did list Freshmen, this ain't college basketball!  Must be why the NFL likes them to wait 3 years before going professional.

5.  See #1, your making the argument against CS, but crediting Herman, strange.

We could just agree that UT sucks right now and be done with it, but this is more fun.

1.  Yea I see the light.  5-7 is really 13-1 when you look at it in a different light.  Herman is overrated for sure.  Strong is underrated.  It  is amazing how you can belittle hermans record as the competition was weak even though he went 13-1 and beat multiple top 25 teams and #9 FSU in first year.  Yet defend the shit show we have seen for the last 2 years with every possible excuse you can come up with.  I wish Houston had played Iowa State.  According to you Iowa Sate would have blown out Houston as well.  Awesome.

2.  So the UH QB is NFL bound and is in Heisman talks.  LOL

3.  If I remember corectly this was in regards to Charlie having to play Macks recruits and wanting him to get his guys in.  The point is the Mack guys I listed are just as talented as the Strong recruits.  Brown, Hicks, Diggs are in the league.

4.  Not following you

5.  So basically what you are saying is the mighty Houston cougars are more talented than Texas?  Haha their best receiver couldnt displace Burt on his worst day.  get real

I enjoy it too.  Just dont call me names but you have permission to call me a Herman fanboy

 

[DukeHorn]

1.  Yea I see the light.  5-7 is really 13-1 when you look at it in a different light.  Herman is overrated for sure.  Strong is underrated.  It  is amazing how you can belittle hermans record as the competition was weak even though he went 13-1 and beat multiple top 25 teams and #9 FSU in first year.  Yet defend the shit show we have seen for the last 2 years with every possible excuse you can come up with.  I wish Houston had played Iowa State.  According to you Iowa Sate would have blown out Houston as well.  Awesome.

2.  So the UH QB is NFL bound and is in Heisman talks.  LOL

3.  If I remember corectly this was in regards to Charlie having to play Macks recruits and wanting him to get his guys in.  The point is the Mack guys I listed are just as talented as the Strong recruits.  Brown, Hicks, Diggs are in the league.

4.  Not following you

5.  So basically what you are saying is the mighty Houston cougars are more talented than Texas?  Haha their best receiver couldnt displace Burt on his worst day.  get real

I enjoy it too.  Just dont call me names but you have permission to call me a Herman fanboy

It's one thing arguing intelligently.  It's another to be deliberately obtuse. The Mack guys are just as talented??  Really?  How many Longhorns got drafted in 2014?  Did you somehow forget the number zero?  What's the over-under on Longhorns drafted in 2016?

 

[DMAC]

It's one thing arguing intelligently.  It's another to be deliberately obtuse. The Mack guys are just as talented??  Really?  How many Longhorns got drafted in 2014?  Did you somehow forget the number zero?  What's the over-under on Longhorns drafted in 2016?

Obtuse?  LOL

So Hicks, Ridgeway, Brown, Diggs, Jenkins were all bad.  They were so bad poor Bedford managed a top 20 defense.  Who is talking NFL?  If you could ACUTLEY read you might realize the players listed where in question as to who were the best players on the team.  But since you brought it up Mack never put any kids in the NFL.  And you call me obtuse.  Reading comprehension is not your strong point.

Let me guess Shawshank Redemption

Please let more of this divine wisdom flow.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Obtuse?  LOL

So Hicks, Ridgeway, Brown, Diggs, Jenkins were all bad.  Mack never put any kids in the NFL.  

And you call me obtuse.  Let me guess Shawshank Redemption

Please let more of this divine wisdom flow.

He nailed you DMAC! You just don't get it...5-7 following 6-7 is laying the foundation to greatness.

UT isn't UH...or Florida, or Michigan, or __________ (insert some other school with an impressive turnaround after new HC).

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