Not Afraid to Say Heard Should Be Playing QB

[DMAC]

The first play where Buechele got sacked was on him. Porter was open and it was a short pass. Of course I was at the game and didn't see a replay (nor do I want to) of it but that's what I saw.

On film it appears he saw the defender coming right at him but he was looking down field but yea Porter appeared to be open in the flat

 

[Epictetus]

editing my comments... Shane was injured

Did not know... need to replay the game.

 

[java]

NYG, I read your reply and am choosing not to continue the debate.  Quite frankly, life is too short for unpleasant discussions that are entirely pointless.

Have a great holiday weekend, and

Hook 'em!

 

[tejasrulz]

I was a big fan of Heard at QB thus my avatar picture but that ship has sailed.

 

[Harrison Wier]

NTG, 

Are you really going to use TWO passes to make your case for Heard as a passer? If you are going to cherry pick the highlights then lets make sure you get the lowlights in there as well. 

Seconded. Lol.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

NYG, I read your reply and am choosing not to continue the debate.  Quite frankly, life is too short for unpleasant discussions that are entirely pointless.

Have a great holiday weekend, and

Hook 'em!

Did not mean to make anything in this discussion unpleasant. I was asking a question with the utmost sincerity. Sorry if you took it in any other way.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

NTG, 

Are you really going to use TWO passes to make your case for Heard as a passer? If you are going to cherry pick the highlights then lets make sure you get the lowlights in there as well. 

Okay, so if the lowlights can be used to "prove" that he could not be a passing threat then why can't the highlights be used to "prove" that he could be a passing threat? 

No question he had some definite lowlights. I get that. But he was also working under the biggest shitshow of an offensive coaching staff that Texas might have ever had.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves. And anyone who watched the Cal game that year and says he doesn't have the potential to be a better than average QB is kidding themselves. 

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

Okay, so if the lowlights can be used to "prove" that he could not be a passing threat then why can't the highlights be used to "prove" that he could be a passing threat? 

No question he had some definite lowlights. I get that. But he was also working under the biggest shitshow of an offensive coaching staff that Texas might have ever had.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves. And anyone who watched the Cal game that year and says he doesn't have the potential to be a better than average QB is kidding themselves. 

That Cal defense was one of the worst in the entire country, NTG. They made every QB look good that year. 

He never came close to looking that good again the rest of the year. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

That Cal defense was one of the worst in the entire country, NTG. They made every QB look good that year. 

He never came close to looking that good again the rest of the year. 

And no QB looked better against them than Heard.

When I get time, I will provide some very interesting, and surprising, stats for the Cal defense that year. Pretty much no team and QB put up the stats and points against them that Texas did with the exception of UCLA.

For instance, only one team scored more points against them than Texas did. And Josh Rosen, who is pretty good btw, threw for only 35 more yards than Heard did. But it took him 16 more attempts to do so. 

 

[Brandon17]

This has to be the most idiotic hot take I have seen in a long time. 

 

[DMAC]

This has to be the most idiotic hot take I have seen in a long time. 

Not really.  NTG has a point.  Heard and Lil Jordan moved the ball in the wildcat.  Heard converted a much needed 3rd and 4 from the wildcat and Lil Jordan lone carry went for 21 yards.  Shane never had the protection so why not go with what works.  Not saying Heard should be the QB but Hermans offense needs a mobile QB (ward, Miller, Barrett) and watching Shane run the ball reminded me of derpy Case McCoy.

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

And no QB looked better against them than Heard.

When I get time, I will provide some very interesting, and surprising, stats for the Cal defense that year. Pretty much no team and QB put up the stats and points against them that Texas did with the exception of UCLA.

For instance, only one team scored more points against them than Texas did. And Josh Rosen, who is pretty good btw, threw for only 35 more yards than Heard did. But it took him 16 more attempts to do so. 

I don't need the stats, man. You aren't going to convince me with one game of stats that Jerrod Heard is the answer. 

If the staff thought he could competently run the offense then they would have gave him significant reps in the spring instead of keeping him at WR and opting to only use him in an emergency. 

If Heard ends up having to play QB this year then Texas is on its last legs at this position. That's the only way I see it playing out. 

I'm not really interested in going in circles about this further. You can't keep at it if you like. 

 

[Hiwood]

look at the type of QB that has been winning National Championships the last couple of years...its not a SB type...its a JH type of QB...the game has evolved much like BB which is now dominated by your point guard..Football is no different at the college level, pros is a different story...but for college  not so much..Throwing the ball 50 times a game doesn't win championships...pounding the rock, solid defense, and a playmaker at QB does...

don't get me wrong Im not in favor of scrapping SB at QB but IMO he doesn't look comfortable in this offensive scheme...

Sam may be the QB of the future with this staff but he  is as green a QB as they come..JH has game experience and we all know he IS a playmaker...he is closer to what Hermann had at UH...just might be worth some consideration

 

[UTK66]

The Heard at QB ship has sailed. His shoulder injury will not allow him to throw anywhere near the way he would need too. I thought everyone knew/remembered this. I guess not. 

 

[DMAC]

look at the type of QB that has been winning National Championships the last couple of years...its not a SB type...its a JH type of QB

Very true.  Herman former QB Greg Ward Jr made the Eagles practice squad as a slot receiver.  

 

[DBut82]

The Heard at QB ship has sailed. His shoulder injury will not allow him to throw anywhere near the way he would need too. I thought everyone knew/remembered this. I guess not. 

I'm asking because I don't know. But wasn't his shoulder injury 2 years ago? I don't know anything of the severity but is it not completely healed by now? Also, didn't that injury happen during the previous staff? I still don't understand why the current staff hasn't given Heard a legitimate look...

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I don't need the stats, man. You aren't going to convince me with one game of stats that Jerrod Heard is the answer. 

If the staff thought he could competently run the offense then they would have gave him significant reps in the spring instead of keeping him at WR and opting to only use him in an emergency. 

If Heard ends up having to play QB this year then Texas is on its last legs at this position. That's the only way I see it playing out. 

I'm not really interested in going in circles about this further. You can't keep at it if you like. 

In other words you don't like discussion on a discussion board when someone has a different viewpoint than you do. 

As I've always said, just because you agree with me doesn't mean you are smart and just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you are stupid. You don't seem to think that. 

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

In other words you don't like discussion on a discussion board when someone has a different viewpoint than you do. 

As I've always said, just because you agree with me doesn't mean you are smart and just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you are stupid. You don't seem to think that. 

I'm not stopping anyone from having the discussion. You and everyone else can participate in this thread as long as you like. 

This topic has come up several times since I've come onboard and I've gave my insight and opinion every single time and it hasn't changed. 

I don't care that you have a different opinion than me. Nobody here agrees on every single thing and that's perfectly fine because that's what drives this message board. 

I'm choosing to back out of the conversation because this particular subject is a dead horse that's been beaten to death. There's no new information whatsoever to lead me to believe Heard would be a successful quarterback in this system or any other system. Until that becomes available we are literally just spinning our tires and rehashing old points. 

 

[DMAC]

Just saw an interesting post on Brainiacs.  Considering the first line about the team being prepared :huh:  not sure how much validity the last line has.

*Going into the game the team was very confident. They watched a ton of film. I was told that pretty much any free time the players had they were watching film. They were prepared.

*I was told that there was no panic at halftime. Coach Herman reminded the guys that they had trained hard for moments like this. The big takeaway is that ultimately, as Herman spoke about in his presser, there is no magic formula. You have to work and work until that work shows up consistently on the field.

*I was also told that there was a lot teaching in practice yesterday and very little yelling. It’s very clear based on my conversations with folks that the staff isn’t panicked. And they shouldn’t be. As much as folks might not want to hear it, you build a team through work and preparation. The light hasn’t come on yet but if you’re preparing the right way, it will.

(hopefully run fits)

*I do expect to see some changes in the upcoming games. The offensive line all on the same page and picking up the calls is something that will get remedied. I think you’ll see more 10 personnel (0 tight ends on the field).

*Also, don’t be surprised if Jerrod Heard gets some work at QB this week. – (Super K)

– UPDATE (6:15 pm): I alluded to it above but have confirmed that Jerrod Heard will take second team QB reps this week. The team will practice tomorrow afternoon so we will try to re-confirm at that point. – (Super K)

Probably just the shoulder bruise to Shane

 

[okiehorn]

I'm assuming super K was speaking of heard getting 2nd team QB snaps because he knows Shane is hurt, as it was reported on this site also...