NFL Combine

[Juan]

teddy bridgewater is something like 2.5 inches taller and 7 pounds heavier than manziel. yet no one seems to be concerned about his physical safety.

That is misleading about Bridgewater's weight.

He had oral surgery, lost alot of weight.

Has been slowly putting it back on.

Gained 7 lbs in the last 2 weeks.

More to come.

Context matters.

Bridgewater’s weight was as high as 222 pounds while playing at Lousiville but an oral procedure during his sophomore season caused him to lose a significant amount of weight. His jaw was broken in order to correct an overbite and straighten his teeth.
"I couldn’t eat for two months, and that was a period when I lost most of my weight," Bridgewater said. "So I just want to get back to that range, 220, 225 range, and just feel good.”

 

[NLeininger]

To me, this opens up the possibility that Clowney could actually play OLB in a 3-4.
The new DC in Houston is Romeo Crennel. He is a good DC (even great), however, historically his DEs have played the traditional 3-4 DE role and not put up meaningful stats - esp pass rush stats. People in Houston are already worried about the negative effect RAC may have on JJ Watt's pass rush and other skills. I think this is overblown. RAC would have to be a complete idiot not to figure out ways to put Watt in a position to make plays. And he is not an idiot. At least not when it comes to NFL defenses.

The same worries would apply to Clowney if he were asked to play DE in RAC's 3-4. Simple solution, strong side OLB for Clowney. These times show he at least has the speed to cover a TE. Indeed he is faster than the fastest big TE of the last several years.

I think you could absolutely blow some $#@! up with Clowney out there (move Brooks Reed to ILB) and Watt on the DL.

They were talking today about how Romeo would probably be running a 4-2-5 most of the time anyway due to the offensive changes in the last 5 years in the NFL.

 

[doc longhorn]

teddy bridgewater is something like 2.5 inches taller and 7 pounds heavier than manziel. yet no one seems to be concerned about his physical safety.

What's that got to do with Manziel? Let's put it this way, if Manziel can't scramble, what does he bring to the table? And he is going to scramble and he IS going to be killed.

Let's put it another way - if Manziel had played for UT would you have been so defensive about him?

Colt McCoy was an infinitely better passer (and QB) and I worried about him getting killed as well. As it turned out, he damned near did and he was bigger than Manziel.

 

[Juan]

Bench press is a very important meadure for a defensive end and clowney being weak in it shows he didnt put in his work in the weight room. he lacks shoulder strength and blovk shedding so he woll be a weakness in run support.

The top 2 DE sack leaders last season were Greg Hardy and Robert Quinn (Mathis is a LB and had 1/2 sack more than Quinn to lead the entire NFL).

At his Combine, Hardy managed 21 reps on the bench. Same as Clowney.

Quinn managed 22 reps. One more than Clowney.

At his Combine, Robert Quinn measured at 6'4, 264.

He ran a 4.68 40.

OK, so Quinn was both smaller and slower than Clowney at the Combine.

Can you guess what they said at that time about his 40 time?

--- "still good for a man his size."

In addition, Quinn --was said to have "off the field issues." He was suspended in college for accepting money from an agent.

And, oh, Quinn was the best pass rushing DE in the entire league last season with 19 sacks.

Greg Hardy, #2 in sacks as a DE (15 sacks), measured at 6'4, 281.

He ran a 4.82 40.

ps - I also looked up Patrick Willis, he had 22 reps. Bad player?

 

[GARCH]

Meh try getting off blocks to stop the run without shoulder strength...

 

[Juan]

 

[Juan]

Clowney (6-5, 266)

4.53 (official)

21 reps

37.5 vertical jump.

Mario Williams in 2006 (6-7, 295)

4.66

35 reps

40.5 vert.

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Clowney’s 4.53 40 was better than…

- All 16 QBs

- 20 of 33 RBs

- 15 of 16 TEs

 

[Juan]

Meh try getting off blocks to stop the run without shoulder strength...

Clowney, like Hardy, Quinn and Mathis, will be paid well to chase and catch QBs.

 

[Juan]

The database goes to 2006 ....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Oregon State WR Brandin Cooks' time in the 60-yard shuttle (10.72) is the fastest time ever in <a href="http://t.co/1gYAm6tTSj">http://t.co/1gYAm6tTSj</a> combine database.</p>— Kyle Bonagura (@BonaguraESPN) <a href="

https://twitter.com/BonaguraESPN/statuses/437998702775369728">February 24, 2014</a></blockquote><script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Agmaniacmike]

Agreed on pocket presence, he has a tendency to roll in the pocket unnecessarily and sometimes he does that into the pressure.I completely disagree on arm strength. He unleashed some absolute bombs this year and made throws that I know no other QB in this draft has made. I hear the Evans factor brought up as something that props him up, but when your throws are put in an area where only your WR can make the play then you are doing your job as a QB. He was poor in going through progressions because of the run factor his freshman year but toned that down much better this year, needs to work on his eyes though. The Colt McCoy comparison is incorrect, Manziel's stats are better across the board in his first two years, not even delving into rushing statistics. Bridgewater's biggest positive is his consistency, but nobody brings up his durability issues. Both Manziel and Bridgewater had stats unbecoming of themselves in the latter third of the regular season. Its funny you talk about the monsters Manziel will have to play, but he has played against far more NFL draftees than the other top QBs in this draft and has been more productive with only 2 years under his belt. Bridgewater has decent stats, but I have misgivings about a QB whose team doesn't score more than 40 in a single conference game in such a below average conference, more than one who likes to party in his down time.

 

[PropositionJoe]

had manziel played for UT, yes i'd be defensive of him. i think colt could (and can) still have a productive NFL future. he just got saddled with the browns which is pretty much a death sentence for any NFL player.

good catch on bridgewater. was not aware of that.

manziel has demonstrated the ability to make the throws he needs to. and i dont know about him just being a scrambler. hell there were many times last year where i wished he would have taken off quicker instead of staying in the pocket till the last minute.

he'll be fine in the NFL.

 

[Juan]

The database goes to 2006 ....
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Oregon State WR Brandin Cooks' time in the 60-yard shuttle (10.72) is the fastest time ever in <a onclick="_gaq.push(['_trackEvent', 'Outgoing', 't.co', '/1gYAm6tTSj']);" href="http://t.co/1gYAm6tTSj">http://t.co/1gYAm6tTSj</a> combine database.</p>— Kyle Bonagura (@BonaguraESPN) <a onclick="_gaq.push(['_trackEvent', 'Outgoing', 'twitter.com', '/BonaguraESPN/statuses/437998702775369728']);" href="

https://twitter.com/BonaguraESPN/statuses/437998702775369728

Here is Cooks' 40-yard run ghosted with that of John Brown of Pittsburg State and Jeff Janis of Saginaw Valley State (all 3 of them ran unofficial 4.3s).

The three of them are matched here with Marquise Goodwin who 4.27 at last year's combine.

 

[Juan]

Jackson Jeffcoat turned in a 4.63 40-yard dash (4th best among DLs there)

Vertical - 36-inches (6th best among DLs there)

Bench - 18 reps (5th lowest/recall he had pectoral tear twice over 2 seasons)

Broad jump - 10'3 (tied for 4th best among DLs there and only an inch shorter than Clowney)

His three-cone drill ranked 2nd among DLs there - video below -- this is key in terms of demonstrating his potential to play 3-4 OLB

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/nfl">@nfl</a>: Jackson Jeffcoat (DL - <a href="https://twitter.com/TexasSports">@TexasSports</a&gt runs through on-field drills.

WATCH: <a href="http://t.co/4gMO1x1JMw">http://t.co/4gMO1x1JMw</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NFLCombine&src=hash">#NFLCombine</a></p>— Texas Longhorns (@TexasSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/TexasSports/statuses/438001497499262976">February 24, 2014</a></blockquote>

<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Agmaniacmike]

I think Jeffcoat and Dee Ford will have more productive pro careers than Anthony Barr or Clowney.

 

[Hooked_up]

I think Jeffcoat and Dee Ford will have more productive pro careers than Anthony Barr or Clowney.

You are a f'n dumbshit. That's why you are an ag on a Texas board and that's why you would make an absurd assumption like that. Might want to actually watch Clowney film sometime douche

 

[Agmaniacmike]

^ See national championship- Dee Ford was damn near unblockable the entire time at the most important juncture of the season.

Jeffcoat did not reach his full potential at Texas until late this year, although him weighing in under 250 is worrisome.

 

[Juan]

re: Crooks^

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I haven't talked w/ a scout yet who doesn't think Oregon States WR Brandin Cooks is not a 1st rounder. He KILLED Indy</p>— John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) <a href="

https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/statuses/438335845100056576">February 25, 2014</a></blockquote><script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Hooked_up]

^ See national championship- Dee Ford was damn near unblockable the entire time at the most important juncture of the season.Jeffcoat did not reach his full potential at Texas until late this year, although him weighing in under 250 is worrisome.

Jeffcoat was injured MOST of his career at Texas douche. He's fragile and as you've already admitted in your uninformed opinion, he's undersized. Go away ag

 

[Juan]

Hoot

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Rice CB Philip Gaines ran a 4.38 40 at combine today. He won $10K from <a href="https://twitter.com/adidas">@adidas</a> for being fastest DB in adidas cleats. <a href="http://t.co/VGWTc8o3wy">http://t.co/VGWTc8o3wy</a></p>— AdamWexlerCSN (@awexler) <a href="

https://twitter.com/awexler/statuses/438387967145414656">February 25, 2014</a></blockquote><script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Juan]

Here is the updated fastest 40 times list (the sub-4.3s), shown above, with this years' fastest player added.

I also included some of the text from the guy who put this together

**********After much research a few things have come up over and over and over. These things plus my own two eyes would lead me to believe that Darrell Green, Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders were the fastest football players to ever play the game.

It has been said consistently that Darrell Green recorded a time of 4.09 at the Washington Redskins’ training camp in 1986. That’s a hard time to swallow but Green’s obvious speed has been put on display many times while he was in the NFL. Green ran down from significant distances two of the fastest running backs to play in the NFL (Tony Dorsett and Eric Dickerson). Green has said in interviews that the fastest time he has ever been aware of running is 4.15. To his credit, Green does have a verifiable and official time of 10.08 in the 100 meters while he was a college student at Texas A&I University. If anyone could run a sub 4.1 forty, it was Darrell Green.

Many sources report a 4.12 forty yard dash time for Bo Jackson and if you watched him turn the corner and run down the sidelines in 1987 versus the Seattle Seahawks, you would not doubt any time reported by this freak of nature. Repetition does not make it a fact but if enough sources have reported this time to make me believe it. Jackson has an official 10.39 time in the 100 meter dash in college.

Deion Sanders has the closest thing of the three as a verifiable 40 yard dash time. Sanders ran a 4.21 forty yard dash at the 1989 NFL combine and kept right on going through the finish line into the first round of that year’s NFL draft. Like Green and Jackson, anyone who watched Sanders play would have little trouble believing that Sanders pulled off this feat. Sanders recorded a 10.21 100 meter mark while at Florida St.

* * * *

In my personal experiences, I have seen some sub 4.3 forty yard dashes in my time. Kevin Williams of the University of Miami (1989-92) ran a 4.28 forty yard dash before my own eyes. Former Hurricanes Tremain Mack (4.25) and Al Shipman (4.27) ran sub 4.3 forties before my own eyes. Track star Henry Neal recorded a 4.20 forty yard dash before my own eyes in a workout for the Miami Dolphins in 1996. The Dolphins did not sign Neal since his football background was quite limited. I never watched him run an actual 40 yard dash but after having to cover him in training camp, I am inclined to believe every second of Joey Galloway’s reported 4.18 forty yard dash.

One player that is not on the list is Bob Hayes of the Dallas Cowboys. No doubt, Hayes was one of the fastest men, if not

the fastest man to put on an NFL uniform. However, as it relates to the 40 yard dash, I could find no time recorded for this Olympic Gold medalist. Hayes has the fastest 100 meter time for an NFL player at 10.05. Should current Florida Gator Jeffery Demps make it to the NFL for any significant amount of time, he will own the fastest time at 10.01. Demps ran this as a high schooler and owns the national prep record for the event.

The fastest recorded 40 yard split on record belongs to Olympian Maurice Greene. During his World Record 60 meter run of 6.33, a mark that still exists, Green crossed the 40 yard mark at 4.18. Remembering that .25 seconds must be subtracted from that time due to Accu-track timing and you come up with a 40 yard dash time of 3.93 seconds. What’s the problem with that time? It was run on an indoor track with spikes on giving the runner an advantage over the football players who have run on grass with cleats.

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1 Bo Jackson Auburn Tigers 4.12

2 Michael Bennett Minnesota Vikings 4.13

3 Alexander Wright Dallas Cowboys 4.14

4 Darrell Green Washington Redskins 4.15

5 Ahman Green Nebraska Cornhuskers 4.17

6 Joey Galloway Ohio St. Buckeyes 4.18

7 Terrell Sinkfield Northern Iowa 4.19

8 Henry Neal Blinn JC 4.2

9 Onterio McCalebb Auburn Tigers 4.21

10 Deion Sanders Florida St. Seminoles 4.21

11 Kevin Curtis Utah St. Aggies 4.21

12 Don Beebe Buffalo Bills 4.21

13 Donte Stallworth Tennessee Volunteers 4.22

14 Willie Parker North Carolina Tar Heels 4.23

15 Clayton Holmes Dallas Cowboys 4.23

16 Rondel Melendez Eastern Kentucky (1999) 4.24

17 Chris Johnson East Carolina Pirates 4.24

18 Taylor Mays USC 4.24

19 Marquis Goodwin Texas Longhorns 4.25

20 Tavon Austin West Virginia 4.25

21 Steve Williams California 4.25

22 Ike Taylor Pittsburgh Steelers 4.25

23 Randy Moss Marshall University 4.25

24 Michael Vick Virginia Tech Hokies 4.25

25 Jerome Mathis Hampton 4.25

26 Sam Shields University of Miami (Packers) 4.25

27 Dri Archer Kent St. 4.26 added 2/26/14

28 Devin Hester University of Miami 4.27

29 Darren McFadden Arkansas Razorbacks 4.27

30 James Jett West Virginia 4.27

31 Jacoby Ford Clemson Tigers 4.27

32 Trindon Holliday LSU 4.27

33 DeMarcus Van Dyke University of Miami 4.28

34 Kevin Williams University of Miami 4.28

35 Champ Bailey Georgia Bulldogs 4.28

36 CJ Spiller Clemson Tigers 4.28

37 Raghib Ismail Notre Dame Fighting Irish 4.28

38 Walter Sutton SW Minnesota St. 4.28

39 Rod Woodson Purdue Boilermakers 4.28

40 Standord Routt University of Houston (2005) 4.29

41 Fabian Washington Nebraska Cornhuskers 4.29

42 Laveranues Coles Florida St. Seminoles 4.29

43 James Williams Fresno St. 4.29

44 Gaston Green UCLA 4.29

45 Johnny Knox Abiliene Christian (Chi. Bears) 4.29

http://www.gridironstuds.com/blog/the-fastest-40-yard-dash-ever/