New Big 12 members

[doc longhorn]

Why does the Big 12 need to expand in a cord-cutting, ala carte programming world? ESPN is losing money and none of the conference networks nor LHN will ever reach their initial financial projections. Who's gonna pay for the Big 12 to add two G5 schools? Just playing devil's advocate here. 

We've talked Big 12 expansion to death and nothing ever happens.

Well said, Kemo Sabe.  I don't think anyone really understands how badly the Big 12 was hurt by losing Nebraska and aggy.  Taking the emotion out of it and throwing the cold light of economics on it, the conference lost a beaucoup of money, losing those two.  Very simply they filled stadiums and TV viewership.

Unless something catastrophic happens, the Big 12 cannot add anyone of any consequence.  Maybe BYU...maybe.

And, I'll say it again, UT is NOT EVER leaving the Big 12 unless it is financially beneficial for it to do so.  But there is even more to it than just the money.  It's the power.  The power that UT currently enjoys in the Big 12.  When we speak, the conference listens and, by God, does what we tell it to do.  In what other conference would we have that kind of stroke?

All of the above are simply my opinions, even though I have enough inside to know how the big boys think.  So, once again, if everyone understands that UT will not and has not ever taken into consideration what the average fan wants, the easier it will be for said fans to get an idea what the state of Texas flagship will do in the future.

 

[oldhorn2]

UCF sits in Orlando, the largest TV market in the country without an NFL or Power 5 team (pretty sure this is correct).

Playing in a big time conference would boost their ratings AND would create more interest in the Orlando market.

Add them and BYU.  Or add them BYU and one of Cincy/Memphis on one side and Colo St or Air Force on the other (to pull the Denver markets)

BigXII has BigXIV and BigXVI trademarked as well.

Orlando is the 18th larget TV market in the US if that means anything. That is bigger than any existing Big 12 school market other than TCU. 

I am certainly not advocating for UCF inclusion......hell, I wanted Clemson and FSU when they wanted in. If I had my druthers I would take Georgia Tech and Arky.

Note!....this post for educational purposes only.....

 

[Embrey]

And, I'll say it again, UT is NOT EVER leaving the Big 12 unless it is financially beneficial for it to do so.  But there is even more to it than just the money.  It's the power.  The power that UT currently enjoys in the Big 12.  When we speak, the conference listens and, by God, does what we tell it to do.  In what other conference would we have that kind of stroke?

Doc,

This is where I respectfully disagree.

Texas had and exercised massive power and leverage over the BIG XII UNTIL Aggie and Cornhusker told Texas to shove it up their ass.

What followed was a bunch of Texas posturing that ultimately resulted in Texas signing the Granting of Rights (Tier 1 deal).  Now Texas has zero leverage and very little soft power.  The only time Texas will regain any of their former power and leverage is by threatening to leave as the GoR approaches.  

There is a problem with that threat:. Where is Texas going to go?  I am certain I will hear rainbow and unicorn comments about the joy of the ACC, B1G or the PAC.  PLEASE.

Texas is a regional power with the ability to win a national championship.  Texas is NOT a national brand like Notre Dame and a few others.  Texas thinks it is a national brand.  IT IS NOT.

 

[drgilbert]

Embrey i disagree that Texas is not a national brand. For the sake of argument what in your opinion do they have to do to become one. 

 

[Baron]

Doc,

This is where I respectfully disagree.

Texas had and exercised massive power and leverage over the BIG XII UNTIL Aggie and Cornhusker told Texas to shove it up their ass.

What followed was a bunch of Texas posturing that ultimately resulted in Texas signing the Granting of Rights (Tier 1 deal).  Now Texas has zero leverage and very little soft power.  The only time Texas will regain any of their former power and leverage is by threatening to leave as the GoR approaches.  

There is a problem with that threat:. Where is Texas going to go?  I am certain I will hear rainbow and unicorn comments about the joy of the ACC, B1G or the PAC.  PLEASE.

Texas is a regional power with the ability to win a national championship.  Texas is NOT a national brand like Notre Dame and a few others.  Texas thinks it is a national brand.  IT IS NOT.

Blasphemy!

 

[MikeV73]

Doc,

This is where I respectfully disagree.

Texas had and exercised massive power and leverage over the BIG XII UNTIL Aggie and Cornhusker told Texas to shove it up their ass.

What followed was a bunch of Texas posturing that ultimately resulted in Texas signing the Granting of Rights (Tier 1 deal).  Now Texas has zero leverage and very little soft power.  The only time Texas will regain any of their former power and leverage is by threatening to leave as the GoR approaches.  

There is a problem with that threat:. Where is Texas going to go?  I am certain I will hear rainbow and unicorn comments about the joy of the ACC, B1G or the PAC.  PLEASE.

Texas is a regional power with the ability to win a national championship.  Texas is NOT a national brand like Notre Dame and a few others.  Texas thinks it is a national brand.  IT IS NOT.

Cornhusker still butt hurt they lost all of their power after the Big 8 merged with the BIG 12.  That move didn't prove great for them, followed by the Big 10  where they lost traction with Texas recruiting.  Money wise they have improved, but football wise not so much.  Staying with the Big 12 is the correct move, can reach the football playoff much like okkie did.  Nebraska might have told us to shove it up our asses, but they still suck...just a little more than we have over the last 7 years.

 

[Embrey]

Embrey i disagree that Texas is not a national brand. For the sake of argument what in your opinion do they have to do to become one. 

Of course you do.  That is a subjective opinion.  The fact is that the in only sport that matters (football) Texas is objectively a regional power (that has sucked since 2009 by the way).

When Texas begins successfully snagging only 8 of the top 10 players in Texas and, with the remainder of their scholarships, snags the best out of state players - then I would consider them a national brand.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Of course you do.  That is a subjective opinion.  The fact is that the in only sport that matters (football) Texas is objectively a regional power (that has sucked since 2009 by the way).

When Texas begins successfully snagging only 8 of the top 10 players in Texas and, with the remainder of their scholarships, snags the best out of state players - then I would consider them a national brand.

Easy there fella. You're saying that in order for Texas to be a national power, it needs to abandon one of its biggest natural resources? Texas doesn't have to go out nationally because it has plenty of talent in state. Notre Dame could not survive with Indiana talent alone, so it HAS to go out nationally if they want to compete. We can argue other points, but saying that Texas should only get 8 players a year in state is ridiculous. Many years its which 25 to sign not if you have enough talent to choose from. Agree to disagree with you on that point.

 

[echeese]

Orlando is the 18th larget TV market in the US if that means anything. That is bigger than any existing Big 12 school market other than TCU. 

I am certainly not advocating for UCF inclusion......hell, I wanted Clemson and FSU when they wanted in. If I had my druthers I would take Georgia Tech and Arky.

Note!....this post for educational purposes only.....

I certainly do not disagree but I think UCF and the Orlando market are ripe for their own college football.

We were arrogant and stupid not to tap Louisville, GT FSU and Clemson when they wanted to come.

Set up with East West divisions and rotate the title game between Hot Lanta and the Death Star.

Excellent for baseball too.

 

[Baron]

I certainly do not disagree but I think UCF and the Orlando market are ripe for their own college football.

We were arrogant and stupid not to tap Louisville, GT FSU and Clemson when they wanted to come.

Set up with East West divisions and rotate the title game between Hot Lanta and the Death Star.

Excellent for baseball too.

I never could understand why the Big12 didn't snag quality teams when the possibility presented itself. I have to wonder if Texas and Oklahoma didn't want a team that could upset the hierarchy.

 

[dillohorn]

If they bring those Fla teams into the conference the State of Texas will hemorrhage its recruits.

 

[oldhorn2]

the State of Texas has been hemorraging recruits for a long time. This cycle is the first in a while that 8 of the top ten stayed home....thank you TH...

If we take care of business we will be back in the "cherry picking" mode no matter who comes calling.

 

[MikeV73]

the State of Texas has been hemorraging recruits for a long time. This cycle is the first in a while that 8 of the top ten stayed home....thank you TH...

If we take care of business we will be back in the "cherry picking" mode no matter who comes calling.

Yes, first shut down Ohio st, Michigan, LSU.  Didn't mention aggy because we already shut them down this year :lol:

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I never could understand why the Big12 didn't snag quality teams when the possibility presented itself. I have to wonder if Texas and Oklahoma didn't want a team that could upset the hierarchy.

Assume you're speaking to post-addition of TCU, WVU . . . 

The biggest reason is weighing losing the revenue (larger split amongst the teams) vs return (what are they bringing to the table?). You add two teams, everybody gets less . . . unless they're bringing a bunch more marketshare which would at some point bring more money.

 

[doc longhorn]

Doc,

This is where I respectfully disagree.

Texas had and exercised massive power and leverage over the BIG XII UNTIL Aggie and Cornhusker told Texas to shove it up their ass.

What followed was a bunch of Texas posturing that ultimately resulted in Texas signing the Granting of Rights (Tier 1 deal).  Now Texas has zero leverage and very little soft power.  The only time Texas will regain any of their former power and leverage is by threatening to leave as the GoR approaches.  

There is a problem with that threat:. Where is Texas going to go?  I am certain I will hear rainbow and unicorn comments about the joy of the ACC, B1G or the PAC.  PLEASE.

Texas is a regional power with the ability to win a national championship.  Texas is NOT a national brand like Notre Dame and a few others.  Texas thinks it is a national brand.  IT IS NOT.

Deloss Dodds told the powers of the Big 12 to hold off pursuing FSU and Clemson as there was a very good chance the Big 12 could eventually reel in Notre Dame.  Of course, the brothers played Dodds like a fiddle as they had no intentions of ever joining the Big 12.  The point of this is this all occurred AFTER aggy and nebbie retreated from the conference and Dodds had the conference march in lockstep, because of what he told them.  So, yes, UT is the power of the Big 12 and will remain so until the conference dissolves or UT bolts.  As far as its options if it left the Big 12?  It could always go indy, a la Notre Dame, and there is not a conference in the nation that wouldn't beg UT to join them.   INCLUDING the SEC.

And you are correct when you say UT is not a national brand.  It is, in fact, an international brand - known worldwide. 

My friend, don't be so down on UT.  We still are the class of the state and most definitely a national brand.

 

[Embrey]

Deloss Dodds told the powers of the Big 12 to hold off pursuing FSU and Clemson as there was a very good chance the Big 12 could eventually reel in Notre Dame.  Of course, the brothers played Dodds like a fiddle as they had no intentions of ever joining the Big 12.  The point of this is this all occurred AFTER aggy and nebbie retreated from the conference and Dodds had the conference march in lockstep, because of what he told them.  So, yes, UT is the power of the Big 12 and will remain so until the conference dissolves or UT bolts.  As far as its options if it left the Big 12?  It could always go indy, a la Notre Dame, and there is not a conference in the nation that wouldn't beg UT to join them.   INCLUDING the SEC.

And you are correct when you say UT is not a national brand.  It is, in fact, an international brand - known worldwide. 

My friend, don't be so down on UT.  We still are the class of the state and most definitely a national brand.

Texas was the power broker of the BIG XII prior to the GoR.  Now they are one of two flagship powers in a regional conference.  Those are facts, not feelings.

We are on a UT sports board so I will remind you that conflating the international brand of the University of Texas with the Texas football team are different subjects.  Texas baseball and swimming have earned the status of national brands.  Texas football - not so much.  

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Texas is a regional power with the ability to win a national championship.  Texas is NOT a national brand like Notre Dame and a few others.  Texas thinks it is a national brand.  IT IS NOT.

The pissant toads aspire to be a "regional brand".

 

[okiehorn]

Texas was the power broker of the BIG XII prior to the GoR.  Now they are one of two flagship powers in a regional conference.  Those are facts, not feelings.

We are on a UT sports board so I will remind you that conflating the international brand of the University of Texas with the Texas football team are different subjects.  Texas baseball and swimming have earned the status of national brands.  Texas football - not so much.  

Glad you said this, because I REALLY thought u were basing a “national brand” based solely on a football program. Glad I was incorrect. As a university Texas is and always will be on top nationally. In the gay forum there’s a great article about this years numbers money wise. 

 

[MikeV73]

Glad you said this, because I REALLY thought u were basing a “national brand” based solely on a football program. Glad I was incorrect. As a university Texas is and always will be on top nationally. In the gay forum there’s a great article about this years numbers money wise. 

I'm not a member of that forum

 

[doc longhorn]

Texas was the power broker of the BIG XII prior to the GoR.  Now they are one of two flagship powers in a regional conference.  Those are facts, not feelings.

We are on a UT sports board so I will remind you that conflating the international brand of the University of Texas with the Texas football team are different subjects.  Texas baseball and swimming have earned the status of national brands.  Texas football - not so much.  

Got it.  We are only a national brand when we win football national championships.  That means little brother hasn't been one since 1939.  And they can't even say they are regional since they are a second banana (at best) to UT.  (the argument could be made that TCU and, yes, Baylor, has a superior football program)