Longhorn News/Discussion (Non-Recruiting)

[TFloss32]

 

[TFloss32]

 

[Rotty22]

1 hour ago, TFloss32 said:

They must not have seen the last 3 games.

 

[dillohorn]

They must not have seen the last 3 games.

I wish I hadn't.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I don't know, I'm at the crossroads on the season. They'll either put it together this week or IMO, the season's lost.

I thought we could lose to both OU and LSU. But TCU was not a game I had penciled in as a loss this season. Neither was KSU. So we'll see.

I've seen it happen time and again. But, doesn't mean it will happen this time.

 

[83Dee]

I don't know, I'm at the crossroads on the season. They'll either put it together this week or IMO, the season's lost.

I thought we could lose to both OU and LSU. But TCU was not a game I had penciled in as a loss this season. Neither was KSU. So we'll see.

I've seen it happen time and again. But, doesn't mean it will happen this time.

I lived through the late Akers - McWilliams - Macovick swoon and now the Late Brown - Strong - Hermon swoon.  This one is already longer and much worse with regard to quality of play.  

I don’t have much hope for a turn around.  It seems history is repeating itself:

Akers = Brown... really good coaches run out of town perhaps unfairly.  

McWilliams = Strong... quality human beings and coordinators but dreadful head coaches.  

Macovich = Herman... offensive minds who have trouble connecting to the fans.  Come across as aloof / smartest guy in the room syndrome.  

Our next hire will be in the Akers Brown mold.  I’m having trouble motivating myself to watch the KState game. 

 

[TFloss32]

 

[primal defense]

I lived through the late Akers - McWilliams - Macovick swoon and now the Late Brown - Strong - Hermon swoon.  This one is already longer and much worse with regard to quality of play.  

I don’t have much hope for a turn around.  It seems history is repeating itself:

Akers = Brown... really good coaches run out of town perhaps unfairly.  

McWilliams = Strong... quality human beings and coordinators but dreadful head coaches.  

Macovich = Herman... offensive minds who have trouble connecting to the fans.  Come across as aloof / smartest guy in the room syndrome.  

Our next hire will be in the Akers Brown mold.  I’m having trouble motivating myself to watch the KState game. 

Good list. However, I disagree with anyone out there that thinks that Fred Akers or Mack Brown was run out of town unfairly. They were let go because they were not performing their jobs well enough for their position.

I was never more angry after a UT loss then the 10-9 loss to Georgia on January 1, 1984. That team had one of the greatest defense I have ever seen in college football. The 1983 UT defense gave up an average of 9.5 pts per game for the season. However, Akers could never figure out the offensive side of the ball and he blew the NC since #1 Nebraska lost later that night. Akers went on to go 20-14-1 for the next three seasons, so I was happy to see him and boring offense go. 

Some of it wasn't Akers fault. The SWC was toxic at the time with lots of cheating. However, Akers had another chance with Purdue and could only go 12-31-1 for four seasons.

Mack Brown allowed the program to crash in 2010 and then had three seasons to fix the program that he broke and could not. He was 30-21 his last four years which is not good enough. Problem is we bad bad hires after Akers and Brown.

My guess is Orlando will be gone after the season unless there is a 180 degree change by defense for the rest of the season. Then Herman will have next year show results or he's gone. Ever since the program crashed in 2010, it's been wait till next year. We went through a three year rebuild with Mack Brown then he was fired, then Strong for three years, and now Herman for three years.

If Herman is let go next year, my prediction is that they will hire a coach with more experience then two or four years. Strong had four year experience at Louisville and Herman had two. I don't believe we would hire Mike Gundy since he coaches for a Big 12 team. However, it would be someone like him since he has 14 years of HC experience and has averaged 9 wins a season. 

 

[primal defense]

Texas football: Staff Roundtable: How do the Longhorns Turn Things Around?

https://www.si.com/college/texas/football/texas-football-staff-roundtable-how-do-the-longhorns-turn-things-around

 

[tejasrulz]

Macovich = Herman... offensive minds who have trouble connecting to the fans.  Come across as aloof / smartest guy in the room syndrome.  

Sorry but Herman is 10x better than Macovich, not even close IMHO

 

[Bear19]

Sorry but Herman is 10x better than Macovich, not even close IMHO

Totally agree.

Mac did not mind losing. I think it eats at Herman. 

 

[primal defense]

Sorry but Herman is 10x better than Macovich, not even close IMHO

I agree. I'd rather have Herman than Mackovic. I disagree that it is close in what matters and that is winning. So far, Herman has a 62 winning percentage while Mackovic had a 59 winning percentage. That is what gets a coach an extension or fired. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I wouldn't mind if Herman had Mackovich as an OC. Mackovic had a great offensive mind. I don't think Herman does. I think Herman has picked up on some things over the years and uses them. But there's not much creativity going on, IMO. Mackovich was pretty innovative.

The early name I hear on the DC side is Auburn's Kevin Steele.

 

[83Dee]

I wouldn't mind if Herman had Mackovich as an OC. Mackovic had a great offensive mind. I don't think Herman does. I think Herman has picked up on some things over the years and uses them. But there's not much creativity going on, IMO. Mackovich was pretty innovative.

The early name I hear on the DC side is Auburn's Kevin Steele.

I completely agree!  Macovick’s offense was outstanding.   His downfalls were:

1.  His teams would come out about 3 to 4 times a year looking like they wanted to be anywhere else.  They lacked emotion even on good days.

2.  He devalued defense to a comical level.  He was given  “blank check” to hire a DC and landed on the WR coach already on his staff!  

That said.... the bottom line is the HC is responsible.   Mackovic ran through at least 3 DCs and they all looked exactly the same.  Even though he was an offense guy, that was his defense.  This is what I am afraid of with CTH.  We can bag on Orlando until the cows come home - but ultimately Herman is responsible.  

 

[83Dee]

Good list. However, I disagree with anyone out there that thinks that Fred Akers or Mack Brown was run out of town unfairly. They were let go because they were not performing their jobs well enough for their position.

I was never more angry after a UT loss then the 10-9 loss to Georgia on January 1, 1984. That team had one of the greatest defense I have ever seen in college football. The 1983 UT defense gave up an average of 9.5 pts per game for the season. However, Akers could never figure out the offensive side of the ball and he blew the NC since #1 Nebraska lost later that night. Akers went on to go 20-14-1 for the next three seasons, so I was happy to see him and boring offense go. 

Some of it wasn't Akers fault. The SWC was toxic at the time with lots of cheating. However, Akers had another chance with Purdue and could only go 12-31-1 for four seasons.

Mack Brown allowed the program to crash in 2010 and then had three seasons to fix the program that he broke and could not. He was 30-21 his last four years which is not good enough. Problem is we bad bad hires after Akers and Brown.

My guess is Orlando will be gone after the season unless there is a 180 degree change by defense for the rest of the season. Then Herman will have next year show results or he's gone. Ever since the program crashed in 2010, it's been wait till next year. We went through a three year rebuild with Mack Brown then he was fired, then Strong for three years, and now Herman for three years.

If Herman is let go next year, my prediction is that they will hire a coach with more experience then two or four years. Strong had four year experience at Louisville and Herman had two. I don't believe we would hire Mike Gundy since he coaches for a Big 12 team. However, it would be someone like him since he has 14 years of HC experience and has averaged 9 wins a season. 

You are the man!  Thank you for referencing the 83 defense.  Best defense I have ever seen at the college level!  “83Dee” is a reference to that defense.  The 84 Cotton Bowl was the worst I have ever hurt due to watching a sporting event.  

I actually agree that it was time for Akers and Mack to go... but that doesn’t mean they weren’t great coaches prior.   This can happen to the best of coaches (Tom Laundry).  “Perhaps unfair” really meant that past performance perhaps should have bought them more time.  But ultimately I agree with you.  

 

[hookemhorb]

I don't care who the coach is. I want wins. I'm not interested in excuses. I'm interested in results. We could hire Mr. Ed for all I care. As long as win at least 10 games a year, I'm happy.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

You're suggestion was well received. We're negotiating with Mr Ed on the phone now.

 

[83Dee]

Sorry but Herman is 10x better than Macovich, not even close IMHO

Okay... there are some similarities.  The defensive side of the ball for one example.

 

[primal defense]

I wouldn't mind if Herman had Mackovich as an OC. Mackovic had a great offensive mind. I don't think Herman does. I think Herman has picked up on some things over the years and uses them. But there's not much creativity going on, IMO. Mackovich was pretty innovative.

The early name I hear on the DC side is Auburn's Kevin Steele.

Kevin Steele would be a good hire. He has Auburn at 28th in the nation in total defense.
 
My big question is can he defense the  spread and Auburn just held LSU to their lowest point total for the season of 23 points. UT gave up 45 points.

 

[primal defense]

I completely agree!  Macovick’s offense was outstanding.   His downfalls were:

1.  His teams would come out about 3 to 4 times a year looking like they wanted to be anywhere else.  They lacked emotion even on good days.

2.  He devalued defense to a comical level.  He was given  “blank check” to hire a DC and landed on the WR coach already on his staff!  

That said.... the bottom line is the HC is responsible.   Mackovic ran through at least 3 DCs and they all looked exactly the same.  Even though he was an offense guy, that was his defense.  This is what I am afraid of with CTH.  We can bag on Orlando until the cows come home - but ultimately Herman is responsible.  

I agree with everything you just said. You left off one major point was Mackovic's lousy personality. His famous line about UT fans need to accept the good along with bad got my blood boiling. In other words since we won the Big 12 the year before, we need to accept a 66-3 loss to UCLA.
 
It didn't take long for Arizona to figure out that he was a bad hire and didn't last even three seasons.