Is Charlie Returning Next Year a Moot Point?

[DMAC]

Again with the political correctness? 

We get it, you don't like that a black man is coaching Texas football considering you constantly dog whistle with "PC" or "diversity hire" in any post about Coach Strong. I don't get why you have to constantly bring it up like there is some conspiracy to bring down Texas football in the name of Political Correctness.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Again with the political correctness? 

You said it before that the ONLY reason Coach Strong was hired was as a diversity hire. Despite the fact in his final two years at Louisville, he went 23-3. The only loss to a sub-.500 team during that two year span was in triple OT to UConn in 2012. The anointed one, Tom Herman, got whooped by 22 points by SMU that lost to Baylor by 27 (that Coach Strong beat) and TCU by 30. But clearly, Tom Herman is much more qualified for that huge $5.5 million/year salary. (/sarcasm)

We get it, you don't like that a black man is coaching Texas football considering you constantly dog whistle with "PC" or "diversity hire" in any post about Coach Strong. I don't get why you have to constantly bring it up like there is some conspiracy to bring down Texas football in the name of Political Correctness.

Despite that conspiracy, Coach Strong will not keep his job at all costs. 

He loses out and goes 4-8, he is gone. Same with 5-7. 6-6? Iffy. 

No way he's gone if he goes 8-4 or 7-5. Why? That's where most people predicted the Longhorns. 

Dallas Morning News: 7-5.

Burnt Orange Nation: 8-4.

ESPN Big 12: 7-5.

Saturday Blitz: 7-5. 

Sports Illustrated: 7-5.

And finally HornSports where the entire staff either picked 8-4 or 7-5. 

It's kind of hypocritical to call for the pitchforks when the coach does exactly what you thought he would do preseason. 

So if he does what most expected him to do, he'll keep his job because Tom Herman isn't a proven commodity yet. Also, the buyout is much cheaper next year and he has no excuses for 2017. Get it done or GTFO. 

He doesn't win, he's out. But quit bringing up his race (or insinuating it) as if it's the only reason 1) that he got the job and 2) he is keeping his job for eternity. 

We get it, you don't like that a black man is coaching Texas football considering you constantly dog whistle with "PC" or "diversity hire" in any post about Coach Strong.

Chris, you are way out of line with this kind of bullshit crap. And it's not the first time that you've done something like this. You owe the man an apology.

 

[DMAC]

No way he's gone if he goes 8-4 or 7-5. Why? That's where most people predicted the Longhorns. 

Dallas Morning News: 7-5.

Burnt Orange Nation: 8-4.

ESPN Big 12: 7-5.

Saturday Blitz: 7-5. 

Sports Illustrated: 7-5.

And finally HornSports where the entire staff either picked 8-4 or 7-5. 

It's kind of hypocritical to call for the pitchforks when the coach does exactly what you thought he would do preseason. 

In this case overall record doesnt truly indicate how poorly this team is coached.

Special teams, blown assignments in the secondary, poor run defense, clock management, timeouts, half time adjustments, etc.  There are so many bad records he has set and so many more problems with during his tenure here to list them all would take hours.  

Not to mention we hired a Defensive guru and our defense is 100+ the last two years.  Everyone said it was lack talent.  I wonder why Gilbert was able to fix our offense by his first game yet we still need to give Strong 3+ years to shape our defense.

Thank god there hasnt been any blowout losses this year.  So yea there has been some improvement from that standpoint.

 

[83Dee]

And finally HornSports where the entire staff either picked 8-4 or 7-5. 

It's kind of hypocritical to call for the pitchforks when the coach does exactly what you thought he would do preseason. 

I really don't understand your point.  Mack Brown got fired after an 8-5 record following a stellar career at Texas where he won a National Championship and played for another; had nine 10+ winning seasons in a row and compiled a 158-48 record.  The standards are VERY high at Texas.... too high?  That is debatable I suppose. 

I don't think anyone on the staff at HornSports picked 8-4 or 7-5 for Texas this year and followed it by saying "and this is right where a school like Texas ought to finish!"  They were picking where they thought Texas WOULD finish not where Texas OUGHT to expect to finish.  Picking UT to go 8-4 or 7-5 represents a season that will get a Longhorn legend coach fired!  In other words, they thought, based on past performance, that Charlie Strong would vastly underperform the expectations set at UT.   

If this is the standard.... It is hypocritical NOT to fire him.  The only real question is: should CS get more time than three years to start showing improvement? 

 

[hookemhorb]

You know I've been thinking a bit about this. Can Texas really change their head coach after 3 years?

Texas is a destination school. It's not a New Mexico State or North Texas. Coaches come here to finish their careers. They don't use Texas as a stepping stone (except maybe to the NFL). So firing someone after 3 years (besides for cause), what does that say to the next coaches considering Texas? You win now, with the personnel on the team, you don't get to bring your type of players in. Win or we fire you.

So who do you bring in to win quickly? Are these the type of players we want at Texas or has college football become a win at all costs league? So we just turn our heads and look at the polls while players run roughshod over our city.

My argument is that a coach at a destination school needs enough time to graduate his first class. If you don't allow for proper time, then you are eliminating good coaches. Take fans out of the equation. Urban Meyer knows Charlie Strong. He knows Charlie is an excellent coach. He respects Charlie. If we fire Charlie after 3 years and want someone like Meyer who believes Charlie is a good coach and was treated unfairly, do you really think he will come to Texas? If that coach doesn't believe he will have the time to bring his type of players in, why would he live tOSU and come to a place that won't give him a "fair" chance to succeed. Believe it or not, there is a coaching fraternity.

You're going to end up with guys who may not have proven themselves at a big power 5 team like Herman. Coaches who need to learn to manage a big time program. I'm not saying Herman isn't going to be a great coach. I'm not sure I want a coach in training at Texas. Texas should be able to pick a coach from just about any power 5 team and say "you" and they come running.

Let's just pretend that Saban is interested in coaching at Texas. He wants another championship at the helm of another school. We fire Charlie this year. As good as Saban is, do you really believe he would take a chance at tarnishing his image of being fired at Texas if he doesn't win in 2 or 3 years? If he really didn't come to Texas because Mack was still the coach, then do you really believe he will come if we don't give our coach a "fair" chance?

I don't like losing, but I don't want a knee jerk reaction that could hurt Texas in the long run. I'm not saying Strong is the right coach for Texas. Heck out of the last 3 coaches Texas hired, I was only in favor of Mackovic. What I'm saying is that any coach Texas hires deserves a "fair" chance to win.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

No way he's gone if he goes 8-4 or 7-5. Why? That's where most people predicted the Longhorns. 

Dallas Morning News: 7-5.

Burnt Orange Nation: 8-4.

ESPN Big 12: 7-5.

Saturday Blitz: 7-5. 

Sports Illustrated: 7-5.

And finally HornSports where the entire staff either picked 8-4 or 7-5. 

It's kind of hypocritical to call for the pitchforks when the coach does exactly what you thought he would do preseason. 

So you're saying that just because Charlie finishes with the record that some people in the media predicted he would, that that justifies keeping him? Seriously? 

Those were preseason predictions based on what was known at that time. With two-thirds of the season gone, we now have a new reality of how good Texas really is compared to last year's team and how good or bad this year's opponents are compared to last years. And that changes expectations considerably. Knowing what we know now, there is no reason whatsoever that this year's team could not have or should not have won 9 games and a record of 8-4 is pretty much a push compared to last year. 

 

[DBut82]

I could care less if Charlie is Black, White, Purple , or Burnt Orange. I am just judging him by what I am seeing on the field from the players he coaches. Wins and Loses do matter, when I view our wins it is not because our team has improved and dominated the game, it is because the other team has declined from what they were the year before and their level of play has dropped. No one can look at this Baylor team and say they were as good or better than the healthy Baylor team of last year.  Ask yourself this question,  are you excited about the future of this team  and do you feel the momentum of a program that is on the rise?  Will Charlie be back might very well be a moot point if it is the decision of Perrin as I too feel he wants to keep Coach Strong for another year at least. I do think by keeping Charlie for another year our recruiting will suffer as the Sword of Dmocles hangs just above his head. There is no momentum for our football program folks and the lack of developement of our players is how Charlie should be judge at the end of the season. 

You do realize that last year's Baylor team trotted out a converted WR as it's 3rd string qb, right? This team was ranked #8 in the nation. This years Baylor team, with Seth Russell is leaps and bounds better than last years. And your stated reasons for how Charlie should be judged "at the end of the season" should be done then; at the end of the season. As far as momentum, a win over the 8th best team in the nation is a start.  A road win against the highest powered offense in the nation tomorrow would be continuance... 

 

[dillohorn]

You do realize that last year's Baylor team trotted out a converted WR as it's 3rd string qb, right? This team was ranked #8 in the nation. This years Baylor team, with Seth Russell is leaps and bounds better than last years. And your stated reasons for how Charlie should be judged "at the end of the season" should be done then; at the end of the season. As far as momentum, a win over the 8th best team in the nation is a start.  A road win against the highest powered offense in the nation tomorrow would be continence... 

Graduation made bailor a much lessor team this year than it was last year.

 

[DBut82]

Graduation made bailor a much lessor team this year than it was last year.

We'll just have to disagree...this year's Baylor squad would kick the crap out of last years imo...

 

[hookemhorb]

We'll just have to disagree...this year's Baylor squad would kick the crap out of last years imo...

I would qualify that as saying "this year's Baylor squad that Texas played would have kick the crap out of last year's team that Texas played"...

I agree with that statement.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Just a fun little back and forth on this, but I've got to go with dillohorn on this one.

This year's Baylor team versus last year's Baylor team that played Texas, would be a good game. 

But last year's Baylor team with Seth Russell would beat this year's Baylor team with Seth Russell pretty handily. 

 

[mctmatt]

You do realize that last year's Baylor team trotted out a converted WR as it's 3rd string qb, right? This team was ranked #8 in the nation. This years Baylor team, with Seth Russell is leaps and bounds better than last years. And your stated reasons for how Charlie should be judged "at the end of the season" should be done then; at the end of the season. As far as momentum, a win over the 8th best team in the nation is a start.  A road win against the highest powered offense in the nation tomorrow would be continuance... 

I also said a Healthy Bears team which they were not last year when we beat them.  Last years Baylor team prior to Russell getting hurt was leaps and bounds better than this years team.  This years Baylor team has no head Coach on the sidelines just a guy who is there in Name only.  If Briles was still the Head Coach , I am more than sure you would see a different Baylor team than the one we beat last weekend.  Baylor should have won last weeks game but they made horrible play calling decisions on that last drive .  They just needed a field goal but they shot themselves in the foot with their play calling.

 

[streettopeschel]

Again with the political correctness?

You said it before that the ONLY reason Coach Strong was hired was as a diversity hire. Despite the fact in his final two years at Louisville, he went 23-3. The only loss to a sub-.500 team during that two year span was in triple OT to UConn in 2012. The anointed one, Tom Herman, got whooped by 22 points by SMU that lost to Baylor by 27 (that Coach Strong beat) and TCU by 30. But clearly, Tom Herman is much more qualified for that huge $5.5 million/year salary. (/sarcasm)

We get it, you don't like that a black man is coaching Texas football considering you constantly dog whistle with "PC" or "diversity hire" in any post about Coach Strong. I don't get why you have to constantly bring it up like there is some conspiracy to bring down Texas football in the name of Political Correctness.

Despite that conspiracy, Coach Strong will not keep his job at all costs.

He loses out and goes 4-8, he is gone. Same with 5-7. 6-6? Iffy.

No way he's gone if he goes 8-4 or 7-5. Why? That's where most people predicted the Longhorns.

Dallas Morning News: 7-5.

Burnt Orange Nation: 8-4.

ESPN Big 12: 7-5.

Saturday Blitz: 7-5.

Sports Illustrated: 7-5.

And finally HornSports where the entire staff either picked 8-4 or 7-5.

It's kind of hypocritical to call for the pitchforks when the coach does exactly what you thought he would do preseason.

So if he does what most expected him to do, he'll keep his job because Tom Herman isn't a proven commodity yet. Also, the buyout is much cheaper next year and he has no excuses for 2017. Get it done or GTFO.

He doesn't win, he's out. But quit bringing up his race (or insinuating it) as if it's the only reason 1) that he got the job and 2) he is keeping his job for eternity.

I really don't get this rationale. True, most people had expectations of mediocrity of CS preseason. So because he livied 'up' to that he should be retained? If Saban or Urban had magically become Texas coach last offseason nobody would have forecasted 7-5.
Charlie has created low expectations. Meeting them is no accomplishment.

 

[DMAC]

We'll just have to disagree...this year's Baylor squad would kick the crap out of last years imo...

This is true.  Why is that?  Our offense is leaps and bounds better.  We can actually get first downs this year.  That is because of Gilbert, Foreman, and Shane.  

Hows our defense and ST compared to last year?  Pretty much the same...total crap.  Last year the excuse was we had freshmen starters.  This years excuse is we have sophomores?  Pretty lame.

 

[DBut82]

I would qualify that as saying "this year's Baylor squad that Texas played would have kick the crap out of last year's team that Texas played"...

I agree with that statement.

That's exactly what I meant and didn't really clarify. This year's Baylor team (with Seth Russell, who we beat last week) would kick the crap out of last year's Baylor team (without Seth Russell, who we also beat). In short, I think this year's Baylor squad is better than last year's Baylor squad...

 

[Embrey]

.... this kind of bullshit crap.

Never go double fecal.😂

 

[primal defense]

Smart move: Charlie Strong making good calls as Texas' DC

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/116138/smart-move-charlie-strong-making-good-calls-as-texas-dc