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Hermann needs to go

I hate to disagree with my favorites on this board, but I think Duke is right. I hope I don't get expelled for that. ?
If he's right, then tell me how Ohio State and Florida and Utah are viewed as scumbag programs today.

I think UM has made his fair share of bad decisions, especially at Florida, but there's not a trail of destruction in his wake as RD's post would indicate.

Besides, our heathern rivals from the north are as dirty as it gets. They win. They win a lot. They go to CFPs. They regularly win this conference. They regularly kick our ass.

Just tell me how we're going to change that.

 
Find another DKR easy to say but almost impossible to do.If Meyer is not available maybe take ayoung upcoming coachat a small school.

Then hire a media spokeperson to takecare of LHN and otherdistractions.

Any thats my best guess.  ButI am begining to think we are stuck with Tom for at leastone more year.

 
We should get a blowout win against KU this Saturday putting us at 6-2.  The remaining games are tough.... (Big 12 tough that is):

Iowa St. / K State / (Big 12 Championship game <ou>)

The final 2 or 3 games decide whether this is a “good season,” very disappointing or another miserable failure.   Jobs very well might depend on these games. 

 
We should get a blowout win against KU this Saturday putting us at 6-2.  The remaining games are tough.... (Big 12 tough that is):

Iowa St. / K State / (Big 12 Championship game <ou>)

The final 2 or 3 games decide whether this is a “good season,” very disappointing or another miserable failure.   Jobs very well might depend on these games. 
I think TFH is done with one more regular season loss.

IMO, he stays if we play in the Big 12 Championship. No inside info, just a hunch. Not that it's a hot take. CDC would rather find a way to keep him. 

 
Davis: “Right. And one quick follow-up. I understand everything you’re saying about  you and Chris (Del Conte) being tight, but he tweets about all these other sports at UT winning and he doesn’t tweet about Texas football. When I ask him about you and the football (program), he refuses to answer anything about how it’s going. So does it bother you that a very public guy doesn’t give a lot of public love to the football program?”

Herman: “No. ‘Cause I know what the truth is. I don’t care what the public love is, or how many tweets football gets in comparison to volleyball. … I’m not gonna worried about a grown man’s tweet count. I’m not. Maybe you guys do and that’s your job, but I know what is  said to me eye to eye, man to man, in offices and meetings and all of that. There is no stock whatoever placed in the tweet count of a 50-year-old man.”
This is the part I would call a smoking gun. Herman almost sounds combative. Question is, did CDC tweet about football wins in the past?

 
If he's right, then tell me how Ohio State and Florida and Utah are viewed as scumbag programs today.

I think UM has made his fair share of bad decisions, especially at Florida, but there's not a trail of destruction in his wake as RD's post would indicate.

Besides, our heathern rivals from the north are as dirty as it gets. They win. They win a lot. They go to CFPs. They regularly win this conference. They regularly kick our ass.

Just tell me how we're going to change that.
They're not. They didn't know the coach they were hiring at the time was a scumbag. We know. 

Old fashioned, I guess, but I don't think we should sacrifice our morals or ethics. If you have to do that to win, then what have you won? Kinda takes the shine off the trophy, doesn't it?

Stoop a little, stoop a lot. Might as well hire Art Briles. Could get him a lot cheaper. 

 
They're not. They didn't know the coach they were hiring at the time was a scumbag. We know. 

Old fashioned, I guess, but I don't think we should sacrifice our morals or ethics. If you have to do that to win, then what have you won? Kinda takes the shine off the trophy, doesn't it?

Stoop a little, stoop a lot. Might as well hire Art Briles. Could get him a lot cheaper. 
Alrighty then lets just stick with Tom Herman. We can always pimp that we may never win the conference, but we're soapy-clean. lol

Seriously, I don't think Briles and Meyer deserve to be uttered in the same breath. There's a big difference in one character mis-judgement as opposed to sanctioned rape.

If we're looking for cheap, then lets not worry about wins.

 
I think TFH is done with one more regular season loss.

IMO, he stays if we play in the Big 12 Championship. No inside info, just a hunch. Not that it's a hot take. CDC would rather find a way to keep him. 
From what I understand from what I learned today, it is looking less likely that a conference championship would save him. I know, I know, incredible, IMO. But I've been told there is something else behind the scenes going on with 1) BMDS and TH, and 2) CDC and TH and some of it, for lack of a better term, is unforgivable. 

I'd love to know what that would be. But thats all that I heard.

 
From what I understand from what I learned today, it is looking less likely that a conference championship would save him. I know, I know, incredible, IMO. But I've been told there is something else behind the scenes going on with 1) BMDS and TH, and 2) CDC and TH and some of it, for lack of a better term, is unforgivable. 

I'd love to know what that would be. But thats all that I heard.
There has got to be a rift of some sort. First the EOT contradictions between the two and now Herman saying he doesn't care about his bosses tweet count. And before anyone argues that's not what he said I'll say your playing at semantics. You just don't say stuff like that in a public forum.

 
From what I understand from what I learned today, it is looking less likely that a conference championship would save him. I know, I know, incredible, IMO. But I've been told there is something else behind the scenes going on with 1) BMDS and TH, and 2) CDC and TH and some of it, for lack of a better term, is unforgivable. 

I'd love to know what that would be. But thats all that I heard.
Well, now that you 'splain it like that...

 
From what I understand from what I learned today, it is looking less likely that a conference championship would save him. I know, I know, incredible, IMO. But I've been told there is something else behind the scenes going on with 1) BMDS and TH, and 2) CDC and TH and some of it, for lack of a better term, is unforgivable. 

I'd love to know what that would be. But thats all that I heard.
Wow.....can we fire TFH for cause and save a few million dollars? If so, we should've already pulled the trigger.

 
From what I understand from what I learned today, it is looking less likely that a conference championship would save him. I know, I know, incredible, IMO. But I've been told there is something else behind the scenes going on with 1) BMDS and TH, and 2) CDC and TH and some of it, for lack of a better term, is unforgivable. 

I'd love to know what that would be. But thats all that I heard.
I was on the side of giving Herman more time until the recruits bailed. At that point it looked like he lost the program. 

However I'm still not convinced he can't get it done here (or somewhere else). He's worked through some growing pains as a young head coach, but we accepted those risks when he was hired. 

To me getting rid of Herman to just replace him with another young coach is a push that doesn't make sense. Herman certainly isn't where he should be in year 4, but further along than any first year coach would be. These magic one year turnarounds that people point to are unicorns that happen but never predictable. 

Herman also rubs the wrong people the wrong way. I don't see his ego being any more or less than most HCs, most of which are at the far end of the bell curve.  If he's burned bridges with CDC or the BMDs past the point of no return, then that's a different story. However the grass is not always greener... in fact most times it's not.

The only exception would be bringing in UM. He's the closest thing to a sure thing a program will ever get. He brings ethical baggage but less likely to make the same mistakes here since the penalty for those was severe for him personally. 

If Herman wins out and makes the B12 championship game, then he's shown us something. Something that neither Strong nor Mack could do when they knew their jobs were on the line. At that point it doesn't make sense to replace him with another unknown quantity (meaning a good coach at a smaller school). The only exception to that, still, is Meyer who could immediately repair any recruiting losses.

It's been a weird year for everyone, on just about everything. The team lost focus on football for a while, with UT facing issues unique to any other school in an already tough year. I really don't know how any coach keeps all that together... keeping players focused with so many threatening to transfer, etc. Maybe you'd rather see them all leave, but along with them go some wins and a uniquely negative impact to recruiting. Seems like an almost impossible task, and if he wins out despite all that it is a bit impressive.

 
excusez-moi
Okay, l'll rephrase my thought and expand on it. 

There are a very small number of posters on different boards who know a lot of what is going on but most likely not all that is going on. And these posters from time to time will share very limited information, at most, about what is going on. But they never share all of what they know, as should be the case. I put you in this category but I'm not sure there is anyone else on this board that is also in that category. But I could be wrong. 

 
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