ESPN ARTICLE ON RECRUITING

[MBHORNSFAN]

Duke, are you and MB French? Y'all are waiving the white flag of surrender awfully early. 

Let's talk in February. If we're coming of a lousy season, and signing day sucks I'll declare you guys right. But the angst over all this is June is just wasted energy.

You of course have that right, i just don't get it. We were all giddy when we got 5* guys like Gilbert and Allen. And suicidal when we missed out on Perriloux and settled for a 2-3* from Tuscola.  I just can't get worked up over this s**t like y'all can. 

I have said that it can change but the early red flags for me cannot be ignored. Hell I would love to eat crow on this. I love UT.. Hook'em

 

[Randolph Duke]

Duke, are you and MB French? Y'all are waiving the white flag of surrender awfully early.

Let's talk in February. If we're coming of a lousy season, and signing day sucks I'll declare you guys right. But the angst over all this is June is just wasted energy.

You of course have that right, i just don't get it. We were all giddy when we got 5* guys like Gilbert and Allen. And suicidal when we missed out on Perriloux and settled for a 2-3* from Tuscola. I just can't get worked up over this s**t like y'all can.

I don't think it is unrealistic to look for indicators that the new coach has the program headed in a positive direction. I don't see where Charlie Strong has any direction for the program. Top recruits are listening to him and overwhelmingly saying "you must be kidding." He is losing every single recruiting battle for top instate talent. Losing every single battle. Now THAT is French. Again, losing every single battle.

 

[streettopeschel]

'losing' doesn't mean 'lost'. long way to go. indicators are fine. but y'all have declared him 'in over his head' and various other types of failure before his first game or first signing class. premature imo.

 

[primal defense]

You won't get a valid answer to the Fix because we have to let this year play out to find out if the coaching is broken. If CS coaches his 3* players up to 4 & 5* status then all is great, if not then we can discuss what needs to be fixed

Here's a reminder on if CS can coach up his recruits:

Three Louisville Cardinals Selected In NFL Draft's First Round

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2014/5/9/5698058/three-louisville-cardinals-selected-in-nfl-drafts-first-round

 

[Randolph Duke]

Here's a reminder on if CS can coach up his recruits:

Three Louisville Cardinals Selected In NFL Draft's First Round

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2014/5/9/5698058/three-louisville-cardinals-selected-in-nfl-drafts-first-round

Don't you think Charlie Strong had been touting his success at Louisville and his three first round picks? Of course he has, but recruits are't impressed. If they were impressed they wouldn't have laughed him off and gone with Sumlin or Briles. That is what is do disconcerting. Nothing Strong is doing is working. He has lost the recruiting battle for every single top recruit in Texas in the 2015 class. If you can't recruit when you have just put three players in the first round, something is very wrong.

 

[texasdobbs]

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[Matt Cotcher]

Legitimate question.....

Are there recruits that are quoted as saying that they don't like Strong's vision or that Watson's offense is ill-suited to prepare them for the NFL? If they are saying those things, I'm missing it.

If they aren't saying them, then it seems like some here are combining their own personal concerns over the direction of the program with the decision of 8-10 recruits and drawing a false conclusion.

Is there any factual evidence to back-up these claims, or is the only evidence A&M's commitment list?

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

LOL...here's a clever Shag post from THEHORN5561

2014 UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS FOOTBALL SEASON CANCELED 
BY WILLIAM M BROWN
ASSOCIATED PRESS

In a surprising move announced today, Athletic Director Steve Patterson has announced that the University of Texas Longhorn football team will not participate in football due to the loss of several top recruits to instate rival Texas A&M. "I just don't understand why we would even take the field. If you can't win battles in June for commitments from 16 and 17 year old high school kids, how can you wish to win in the fall?" Patterson said. Patterson was also quoted as saying that hiring Charlie Strong from Louisville was the worst decision of his long career in sports. "I wanted to hire a real football coach who would push our student athletes and grow them as men as well as football players. If I had known how recruiting was done for the top players in Texas, I would have hired a flashy guy with more 'Swag'." Charlie Strong has said he disagrees with the decision made by the athletic department but understands where they are coming from. "I have come to this great University to coach up football players. I don't believe in the star system that is silly, but after meetings with Mr. Patterson, I understand that it's better to not play this season after losing June recruiting battles for the top players in Texas. I promise to the alumni of this fine University that we will come back ready to play the 2015 season and promise to do better in the 2016 class." 

The move made by the university is the first time a big time school will not play a season since the "Death Penalty" was issued to SMU in the late 80's. 

Current Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin says the move is not surprising at all. "If you don't have swag, you can't compete in college football." Sumlin continued "We have swag and DJs and that is what the 17 year olds like these days. I am working hard with the consulting firm we hired this off season to get some discipline into the program, but until then, I'll gladly take these June victories over a program we don't play anymore." Last season A&M finished 4th in the West Division in the SEC and beat Duke in the Chick Fil a Bowl.

 

[streettopeschel]

Legitimate question.....

Are there recruits that are quoted as saying that they don't like Strong's vision or that Watson's offense is ill-suited to prepare them for the NFL?    ****   NO  ****              If they are saying those things, I'm missing it.

If they aren't saying them, then it seems like  there are   *** TWO GUYS ****    combining their own personal concerns over the direction of the program with the decision of 8-10 recruits and drawing a false conclusion.

Is there any factual evidence to back-up these claims,  **NO *****                or is the only evidence A&M's commitment list?

 

[Lord Vader]

I am scared. I think we really should consider a move to C-USA.......

 

[Darrell McPhaul]

This thread is full of self defeat and the one's that are screaming fire in a theatre have a history of doing just that.

The rest of you all see beyond the call of take notice of my presence post and let's see what transpire this year before crying out in a public forum like

you have been abused.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

This thread is full of self defeat and the one's that are screaming fire in a theatre have a history of doing just that.

The rest of you all see beyond the call of take notice of my presence post and let's see what transpire this year before crying out in a public forum like

you have been abused.

The old personal attack when you have no substance or evidence to counter the argument. Expected. 

 

[S.M.]

Don't you think Charlie Strong had been touting his success at Louisville and his three first round picks? Of course he has, but recruits are't impressed. If they were impressed they wouldn't have laughed him off and gone with Sumlin or Briles. That is what is do disconcerting. Nothing Strong is doing is working. He has lost the recruiting battle for every single top recruit in Texas in the 2015 class. If you can't recruit when you have just put three players in the first round, something is very wrong.

I think part of the issue is that Coach Stong demands accountability and responsibiltity and will not cater to primadonna athletes for the sake of the team. I'm quite sure it didn't sit well with some recruits that you have to earn your right to live off campus thru good grades and good behavior and not until your senior year either. He wants them to live, eat, sleep and hang out together and bring back that family, I've got your back mentality the team should have. If they don't want to grow up mature and be a man then you should not want them as part of the team no matter how good they are. You are there to get an education and play ball from one of the top universities in the country. Things like that can become a cancer in the locker room and carry over to the field as well. As far as having the highest number of athletes with the most stars I say just look at what the Seahawks did last year with a ton of 3 star athletes coming out of high school. Give me lower star kids with heart, determination, a good work ethic with a willingness to be coached and learn any day.

 

[Pancho Negro]

Be very careful Duke you are going to be accused of being negative and a hater. 

I don't think people are accusing him of being negative or a hater. I question the fact that he's come up with a conclusion with only a few months results to work with and, in turn, wants Strong gone. (That's implied and there's no way to spin it.  )

It takes time to build a relationship with students and players. The A&M staff has had time to do that, and our staff hasn't. Saying the sky is falling and we should drop football because we didn't get recruits is naive, simplistic, and an embarrassment. Does it suck? Of course it does. No one is denying that. But saying that strong is "failing" is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard, considering he just got here a few months ago. Combine that with the momentum A&M has because of Manziel and any logical person knew that it would take a year or two to get things turned around. This isn't an overnight project.

I am really embarrassed as an alum over some of these posts and "arguments" calling Strong a failure for not getting the #1 recruiting class and stopping A&M's momentum the first 5 hours on the job. 

Let's fire the sales associate when just hired after 3 hours on the job because he's not doing as well as the sales associate at our competitor who has been on the job for 3 years. Got it.

 

[Randolph Duke]

I don't think people are accusing him of being negative or a hater. I question the fact that he's come up with a conclusion with only a few months results to work with and, in turn, wants Strong gone. (That's implied and there's no way to spin it.  )

It takes time to build a relationship with students and players. The A&M staff has had time to do that, and our staff hasn't. Saying the sky is falling and we should drop football because we didn't get recruits is naive, simplistic, and an embarrassment. Does it suck? Of course it does. No one is denying that. But saying that strong is "failing" is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard, considering he just got here a few months ago. Combine that with the momentum A&M has because of Manziel and any logical person knew that it would take a year or two to get things turned around. This isn't an overnight project.

I am really embarrassed as an alum over some of these posts and "arguments" calling Strong a failure for not getting the #1 recruiting class and stopping A&M's momentum the first 5 hours on the job. 

Let's fire the sales associate when just hired after 3 hours on the job because he's not doing as well as the sales associate at our competitor who has been on the job for 3 years. Got it.

I never said I wanted Charlie Strong gone.That is an entirely fabricated statement created by someone who doesn't understand my argument that the results so far are below what I expected from one of the best, if not the single best coach in college football. It may be easier to ignore my point and create straw men to knock down, but it doesn't make Coach Strong's ability to inspire top recruits any more impressive. To date, his results have been lackluster, at best. I don't want Charlie Strong gone. I want the problem identified.

I never said we should drop football. I never said the sky is falling. I simply believe Coach Strong isn't exhibiting the success at inspiring recruits with his vision for the program that the best coach in college football should be expected to demonstrate. Saying he hasn't had enough time yet is an excuse. It might be a valid excuse, but nonetheless it is an excuse. Also, saying that 2015 defensive prospects are passing over Charlie Strong to sign with Kevin Sumlin because Johnny Manziel went to aggy two years earlier is absurd.

Charlie Strong isn't a sales associate. He has been on the job longer than three hours. He is an extremely highly paid coach who is supposedly up to the job of leading the Texas program. In his first year he cost UT almost $9.5 million. His paycheck is $100,000/week (plus benefits). We don't expect someone at that level to "do well." We expect him to produce results in every facet of the program. The "wait until 2016" chant is absurd. Like I said, what I am hearing for his lack of success so far in recruiting against lesser programs are excuses. In time, all may work out just fine. "Building relationships" isn't what Coach Strong is getting paid to do. He is getting paid to inspire with his vision for the program and deliver results on the field. He simply does not seem to be inspiring prospects and that is why he is 2-12 in head-to-head recruiting battles against a lesser program at a lesser school. I don't expect him to have the number one recruiting class. Again, another of your straw men. I do, however, expect him to do better than 2-12 against the cow college, especially for defensive talent.

You may argue that Coach Strong doesn't have the ability to quickly inspire and that is why his message does not resonate with prospects yet. If that is the case, just come out and say that Coach Strong isn't inspiring on first introduction. That would help explain things.Maybe some of the recruitnicks can ask high school coaches and other prospects what is wrong and why Coach Strong is experiencing so much rejection. Whatever the case, something isn't right concerning why he isn't getting a better response to the vision he is offering, especially with defensive prospects. 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

The #1 ranked player in Texas for 2016 OL Greg Little just committed to aggy. Good times folks

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

The #1 ranked player in Texas for 2016 OL Greg Little just committed to aggy. Good times folks

We've got two years to worry about what Greg Little is gonna do.  Maybe aggie goes 4-8 the next 2 years and he changes his mind?  Maybe they have a few more arrests and dismissals?

A lot can happen.  I'm not looking past 2015 yet.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

You may argue that Coach Strong doesn't have the ability to quickly inspire and that is why his message does not resonate with prospects yet. If that is the case, just come out and say that Coach Strong isn't inspiring on first introduction. That would help explain things.Maybe some of the recruitnicks can ask high school coaches and other prospects what is wrong and why Coach Strong is experiencing so much rejection. Whatever the case, something isn't right concerning why he isn't getting a better response to the vision he is offering, especially with defensive prospects. 

*chuckle*

Having attended the "Comin' On Strong Tour" in Ft. Worth and hearing CFS say, "We're not going to play for a MNC next year".....you may be on to something.  He's not a dazzling orator and may be somebody who coaches and recruits need to warm up to over time.  But, that's pure speculation on my part.  

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I never said I wanted Charlie Strong gone.That is an entirely fabricated statement created by someone who doesn't understand my argument that the results so far are below what I expected from one of the best, if not the single best coach in college football. It may be easier to ignore my point and create straw men to knock down, but it doesn't make Coach Strong's ability to inspire top recruits any more impressive. To date, his results have been lackluster, at best. I don't want Charlie Strong gone. I want the problem identified.

I never said we should drop football. I never said the sky is falling. I simply believe Coach Strong isn't exhibiting the success at inspiring recruits with his vision for the program that the best coach in college football should be expected to demonstrate. Saying he hasn't had enough time yet is an excuse. It might be a valid excuse, but nonetheless it is an excuse. Also, saying that 2015 defensive prospects are passing over Charlie Strong to sign with Kevin Sumlin because Johnny Manziel went to aggy two years earlier is absurd.

Charlie Strong isn't a sales associate. He has been on the job longer than three hours. He is an extremely highly paid coach who is supposedly up to the job of leading the Texas program. In his first year he cost UT almost $9.5 million. His paycheck is $100,000/week (plus benefits). We don't expect someone at that level to "do well." We expect him to produce results in every facet of the program. The "wait until 2016" chant is absurd. Like I said, what I am hearing for his lack of success so far in recruiting against lesser programs are excuses. In time, all may work out just fine. "Building relationships" isn't what Coach Strong is getting paid to do. He is getting paid to inspire with his vision for the program and deliver results on the field. He simply does not seem to be inspiring prospects and that is why he is 2-12 in head-to-head recruiting battles against a lesser program at a lesser school. I don't expect him to have the number one recruiting class. Again, another of your straw men. I do, however, expect him to do better than 2-12 against the cow college, especially for defensive talent.

You may argue that Coach Strong doesn't have the ability to quickly inspire and that is why his message does not resonate with prospects yet. If that is the case, just come out and say that Coach Strong isn't inspiring on first introduction. That would help explain things.Maybe some of the recruitnicks can ask high school coaches and other prospects what is wrong and why Coach Strong is experiencing so much rejection. Whatever the case, something isn't right concerning why he isn't getting a better response to the vision he is offering, especially with defensive prospects. 

Well though and well articulated.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Meant to say well thought out and well articulated.