Conference realignment?

[johnabeard]

The big 12 as it is will not last, we will either have to add teams or leave to go to a bigger conference.

Any thoughts on maybe a big 12 and acc mix of 16 teams, seems like that's where the conferences are headed to in the future.

 

[ridik01]

UCF or Cincy.

That's our only options to get back to 12.

 

[johnabeard]

UCF or Cincy.That's our only options to get back to 12.

why not a university of Houston and arkansas

 

[SFlonghorngirl]

I want out of Big 12 so badly. Let's break up and go our separate ways.

 

[whatthewhat]

I want out of Big 12 so badly. Let's break up and go our separate ways.

This.

 

[johnabeard]

Until fsu wins this year and stops the streak of sec titles I guess it doesn't matter what conference you are in. They will all say sec is better, but like bob stoops said god bless him, the sec is overrated.

a 3 win auburn team and a 1 win mizzouri team last year played for the sec championship, that would never happen in big 12.

 

[Lord Vader]

why not a university of Houston and arkansas

Ok...here goes:

You can blame DeLoss Dodds for not being at 12. Louisville was on its knees to get in this conference and he rejected them. Now they are laughing all the way to the ACC at our expense.

In a nutshell, if you HAD to expand now, the most viable options are going to be Cincinnati and Central Florida. Gets you TV sets in Ohio/Kentucky and TV sets/recruiting foothold in Florida. Neither school is locked into its conference like the Power 5 schools are with GOR agreements.

BYU would be a longshot since they seem to be going ok so far being independent. UC and UCF give WVU a couple travel partners to make them feel better about the decision they made to join the Big 12.

Houston adds nothing to the conference. Its a school in a market already pretty saturated. Arkansas wont leave the SEC.

That is where things are right now.

 

[SFlonghorngirl]

How strict is the GOR? Is the penalty that steep? And how realistic is it for the top 4 conferences to break away from the NCAA?

 

[johnabeard]

Ok...here goes:
You can blame DeLoss Dodds for not being at 12. Louisville was on its knees to get in this conference and he rejected them. Now they are laughing all the way to the ACC at our expense.

In a nutshell, if you HAD to expand now, the most viable options are going to be Cincinnati and Central Florida. Gets you TV sets in Ohio/Kentucky and TV sets/recruiting foothold in Florida. Neither school is locked into its conference like the Power 5 schools are with GOR agreements.

BYU would be a longshot since they seem to be going ok so far being independent. UC and UCF give WVU a couple travel partners to make them feel better about the decision they made to join the Big 12.

Houston adds nothing to the conference. Its a school in a market already pretty saturated. Arkansas wont leave the SEC.

That is where things are right now.

Thank you for the info, do you ever see texas leaving the big 12 for another conference.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

The big 12 as it is will not last, we will either have to add teams or leave to go to a bigger conference.
Any thoughts on maybe a big 12 and acc mix of 16 teams, seems like that's where the conferences are headed to in the future.

IMO, it's a race against the clock. One of the two scenarios will happen, possibly both, depending on what dominos fall and when.

I think the playoff format will open the door to realignment, and this time in a big way. I'm thinking four large conferences that will ultimately crown a national champion through a playoff format.

But if that doesn't happen first, the Big 12 will expand, particularly since Dodds is gone and Patterson is in. Dodds has been an obstacle. The obstacle is removed. Patterson is aggressive and open minded. So we're gaining twice as much as it looks like we're gaining on that front. They will need to be highly selective with whoever they add this time. The last two aren't looking so great right now.

Whisenant mentions Central Florida, in his post above. I don't discount that pick although it's certainly not sexy. They are the largest school in that state, I believe.

 

[Lord Vader]

How strict is the GOR? Is the penalty that steep? And how realistic is it for the top 4 conferences to break away from the NCAA?

GOR - Pretty ironclad in penalties for leaving. No one has decided to challenge on yet, but perhaps that day could come. I see Randolph on here, he's really good with the nuances of contract language. Id say the only way to successfully break one is for everyone to agree to kill the conference.

The penalties are very steep because they involve so much money being kept if the school leaves.

I think a breakaway from the NCAA is a very realistic possibility, but it wont go down as long as the boys in Indianapolis learn to do what they are told. The NCAA makes all its money off basketball, and loses that if they lose the top 64-68 football schools.

 

[Lord Vader]

Thank you for the info, do you ever see texas leaving the big 12 for another conference.

Under the right circumstances absolutely. This is one of the reasons why I call this coaching search a decision worth hundreds of millions of dollars. We are already the girl at the prom everyone wants to dance with because we bring so much academically and athletically to the table. Imagine how much further we enhance that with a run like Alabama's and even more money for education in the kitty, especially if we are able to fully endow (I think thats the right term) athletic scholarships like Stanford does.

 

[johnabeard]

no one talks about it, but derek mason stanfords defensive coord is an absolute studd

 

[streettopeschel]

The big 12 as it is will not last, we will either have to add teams or leave to go to a bigger conference.
Any thoughts on maybe a big 12 and acc mix of 16 teams, seems like that's where the conferences are headed to in the future.

how do you know it can't or won't last?
I'm not a huge fan either but what is there happening right now to suggest it can't make it?

 

[johnabeard]

Number one the money we are missing out on for not having a championship game, number two having an out right winner is important, no one likes a tie

 

[Lord Vader]

University of Central Florida - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If anyone wants to read up on UCF

 

[SFlonghorngirl]

GOR - Pretty ironclad in penalties for leaving. No one has decided to challenge on yet, but perhaps that day could come. I see Randolph on here, he's really good with the nuances of contract language. Id say the only way to successfully break one is for everyone to agree to kill the conference.
The penalties are very steep because they involve so much money being kept if the school leaves.

I think a breakaway from the NCAA is a very realistic possibility, but it wont go down as long as the boys in Indianapolis learn to do what they are told. The NCAA makes all its money off basketball, and loses that if they lose the top 64-68 football schools.

Love your knowledge! If you were Patterson, what would you do with Texas in regards to conference affiliation?

 

[Randolph Duke]

Having four sixteen-team "supersonferences" sounds good, but how do the other 60 FBS schools get structured? They have to have a realistin shot at the title or anti-trust problems present themselves.

I am becoming more and more in favor of some sort of relegation system where the structure of. 16 team conferences is fluid. Two Eight-team conferences per conferences, so seven division games, three or four OOC games that can be scheduled in advance to maintain traditional rivalries. Add a conference championship and then a 4 team playoff. This effectively makes it an eight team playoff and the national championship plays 14 games. Lesser teams play 11 games. Lowest finishing teams are relegated to the divivion of 60 to have a shot at winning their way back into the division of 64. The downsides to this are it anhilates traditional conferences, makes scheduling a mess done less than a year in advance and means a lot more travel to places teams may never have played before.

 

[johnabeard]

Having four sixteen-team "supersonferences" sounds good, but how do the other 60 FBS schools get structured? They have to have a realistin shot at the title or anti-trust problems present themselves.
I am becoming more and more in favor of some sort of relegation system where the structure of. 16 team conferences is fluid. Two Eight-team conferences per conferences, so seven division games, three or four OOC games that can be scheduled in advance to maintain traditional rivalries. Add a conference championship and then a 4 team playoff. This effectively makes it an eight team playoff and the national championship plays 14 games. Lesser teams play 11 games. Lowest finishing teams are relegated to the divivion of 60 to have a shot at winning their way back into the division of 64. The downsides to this are it anhilates traditional conferences, makes scheduling a mess done less than a year in advance and means a lot more travel to places teams may never have played before.

great stuff