Baylor running thread.

[streettopeschel]

And your lack of respect for due process amazes me.

. I respect it but I'm not blind. Question for you. Paterno and everybody who mattered at PSU were toppled before Sandusky was convicted. Did that trouble you as much?

 

[shotime73]

Smh.. Good lordy mighty. This is getting crazy.

 

[streettopeschel]

You didn't answer the question, so obviously you've got nothing.

There's a big difference between allegations and convictions. I seem to remember the public indicting Meander and Sanders without due process. How'd that work out again?

so what convictions in the SEC are you wanting more follow up on?
Here's a prediction. Heads will roll at BU without another single conviction.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

. I respect it but I'm not blind. Question for you. Paterno and everybody who mattered at PSU were toppled before Sandusky was convicted. Did that trouble you as much?

Read my first post in this thread. I never said the allegations weren't "troubling", but it's gotta be proven in a court. All we have right now is one conviction and many he said/she said situations.

Why these victims didn't file police reports is beyond me. If they did and BU failed to act or Waco PD covered it up, now you have something. Reporting the alleged crime to a chaplain or coach is foolish.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

so what convictions in the SEC are you wanting more follow up on?

Here's a prediction. Heads will roll at BU without another single conviction.

Since you asked, I'd like ESPN and the lamestream media to sniff around Tennessee. When is that OTL on the schedule? Outrageous and every bit as damning as BU...allegedly

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2016/02/09/sweeping-sexual-assault-suit-filed-against-ut/79966450/

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vols/2016/02/24/lawsuit-tennessee-coach-butch-jones-called-player-traitor/80851232/

 

[streettopeschel]

We view this differently. Again, nothing had been proven in court and Penn St was taken down. My guess is something similar will happen at BU. And I'll be just fine with it.

 

[ah-blong]

fair schmair.  baylor needs to get straightened out.

 

[Duke C #11]

I have said it before and I will say it again. WWJD?

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

We view this differently. Again, nothing had been proven in court and Penn St was taken down. My guess is something similar will happen at BU. And I'll be just fine with it.

And that's fine if it does, but I do resent ESPN's selective outrage and coverage

I've got no emotional attachment to BU's fate either. To Doc's point, the McLennan County DA should dig around Waco PD to uncover a few of these "lost" files.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

And that's fine if it does, but I do resent ESPN's selective outrage and coverage

I've got no emotional attachment to BU's fate either. To Doc's point, the McLennan County DA should dig around Waco PD to uncover a few of these "lost" files.

JB, I don't think it's as unbalanced as you might think. There is an "extra" component to this story that is not part of the Tennessee-Bama-OleMiss type of story.

Baylor is a Baptist University. The shining beacon of the Southern Baptist Church. It's whole existence is to teach and graduate young adults with a Christian-based education and atmosphere.

You send your kid to State U., a secular institution, and you might expect some pretty crazy stuff to go on. And it does.

But private, Christian-based institutions are held to a different standard. And that is by their own making and doing. Supposedly.

Myself and others have made a statement that, when you think about it, is so profound it amazes me it gets lost in all this. You can no longer feel good about sending your daughter to Baylor University. Being raised a Southern Baptist myself, that sentence is unthinkable.

I have seen a healthy amount of coverage on the Tennessee and Ole Miss thing. Not so much on Bama. Maybe you're right about them being a sacred cow.

Also – someone above was critical of ESPN about this and being a 17-yr ex-journalist, let me explain. If you will notice, Baylor (Ken Starr) has the entire situation (on Baylor's end) set up to blow over in the most harmless way possible. They hired a law firm whose reputation is specific to this purpose. As the DMN (ex-Baylor, no less) editorial member said in Doc's posted video, EVERYTHING was either being mislabeled as too sensitive to release or being quietly set out to pasture.

Ok, if this is my story (as a journalist), there is no way in hell I'm going to take my jaws off their neck. When a cover up is going on, its blood in the water for a journalist. And it should be. If anything, it gives me hope for my ex-profession to see such dogged reporting. Do. Not. Let. Go.

There's probably leg work going on with regard to the Ole Miss fiasco and the varsity will arrive as soon as the Baylor situation will allow. But for now, you see it through.

 

[doc longhorn]

You didn't answer the question, so obviously you've got nothing. 

There's a big difference between allegations and convictions. I seem to remember the public indicting Meander and Sanders without due process. How'd that work out again?

Well, actually, Shawn Oakman and Tevin Elliott have been convicted and/or indicted for sexual assault.

As it turned out, the public was right about Meander and Sanders.  They were suspended by Strong until indicted, at which time they were dismissed from UT.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I have said it before and I will say it again. WWJD?

WWJD?

I give up. Weller & Water, Jack Daniels?

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

JB, I don't think it's as unbalanced as you might think. There is an "extra" component to this story that is not part of the Tennessee-Bama-OleMiss type of story.

Baylor is a Baptist University. The shining beacon of the Southern Baptist Church. It's whole existence is to teach and graduate young adults with a Christian-based education and atmosphere.

No argument there.

I'd expect a more Christian environment at a supposed faith-based school. Well, except for maybe T c U

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Well, actually, Shawn Oakman and Tevin Elliott have been convicted and/or indicted for sexual assault.

As it turned out, the public was right about Meander and Sanders.  They were suspended by Strong until indicted, at which time they were dismissed from UT.

Both were acquitted, too.

I wasn't aware Oakman was indicted and had forgotten about Elliott. Thanks

 

[streettopeschel]

Great point on the appearance of a coverup SHA. How can the media NOT dive into this?

 

[doc longhorn]

Both were acquitted, too.

I wasn't aware Oakman was indicted and had forgotten about Elliott. Thanks

Well, J.B., although I agree with you on the legalities of it all, the point remains that Briles, Starr, the AD and the Waco police were, at best, morally corrupt in dealing with the victims and the players.

In addition, as is usual in these kinds of situations, the problem is probably systemic and only the tip of the iceberg has been discovered so far.

The Baylor scandal is far from over and as far as I am concerned, I couldn't care less for the sons of bitches that dismissed, disregarded and covered up for the players without a whit of concern about those poor girls.

May they all rot in hell.

 

[Embrey]

No argument there.

I'd expect a more Christian environment at a supposed faith-based school. Well, except for maybe T c U

Hey now

 

[Embrey]

I'll put it this way. I got into a road rage incident while returning from Fort Worth to Granbury about 10 years ago. The guy was driving like a drunk Ahole. I'll spare all the details but the guy, his shiny BMW and his hot girlfriend ended up run off the road completely. As I entered Granbury, the flashing lights were waiting for me. At least 4 cop cars were wanting me to pull over in front of God and everybody. I kept going about one half mile and pulled into a large, open part of a home improvement parking lot. Who starts circling me? The BMW dude. He goes back and talks to the cops then circles me and glares again. That is when I knew he was an off duty cop.

The cops have their hands on their guns and tell me to put my hands out the window. They approach and ask if I was drinking. I had not been. I provided license & insurance. The guy asks me if I had a little road rage. I said I did and so did that guy. The cop told me that he was going to press charges. I said, good, I want to press charges too. Now. All of a sudden they have to have a pow wow and come back to me and said that he was willing to let it go. I said good, I'm not. (Drunk bastard). I want to press charges on that SOB now. After much disagreement they told me to run along. No ticket. No warning. Nothing.

The point is you have to be careful with the cops in that part of Texas. I am sure there are some great ones. There are some bad ones for sure.

 

[doc longhorn]

If you feel the desire to be sick to your stomach (why would you?), visit a Baylor internet site.  To be sure there are some that are horrified at what has been going on, but the bulk of them are defending Briles and Baylor.

I won't reveal on what site I read this, but there was a poster basically claiming if a woman is out at 2:00Am, drunk, in revealing attire and goes to a mans apartment - she deserves what she gets.

This is the kind of neanderthal thinking going on over there.  This savage is basically saying it is okay to drag a woman by her hair because of her condition and the way she looks.

You would not believe how many "likes" his post got.

Anything is okay as long as football is saved.

 

[bcherry168]

I have spent many years in the justice system, so let me tell you that the big problem is not the lack of convictions, but the lack of support for the young women who may have been assaulted on the part of school officials. Young women who have been assaulted are emotionally weakened and embarrassed. If they complain to someone and it is blown off, they frequently won't pursue it further.

The shame of Baylor appears to be that they did not create an environment where a fair hearing of the allegations could be had. It was strictly cover up all the way.

If that is the case, the whole bunch of involved individuals should be fired. That includes Starr, Briles, and everyone else involved.