An interesting domino effect?

[BevoBlake]

I expect the Big12 to petition the NCAA for a waiver to hold a conference championship game.

A Baylor-TCU rematch would've been great TV and certainly helped TCU if they could've pulled out a W - much better than beating Iowa State. I'm not saying they wouldn't be passed over by tOSU regardless, but it would've been a much tougher decision for the committee comparing 12-1 teams.

At least Bowlsby can present "One True Champion" with that scenario.

That creates some drama in and of itself doesn't it? If TCU beats Baylor in that conference championship game, you likely get a bunch of crying from Waco about how they already bested TCU earlier in the season and shouldn't have had to play them again to prove their worth.

 

[echeese]

and neither military academy will field CFB teams that can really compete with UT & OU or bring anything to the table athletically in other sports. Is UT vs Navy really a big TV draw? Meh

I understand that you're former military and love the pageantry and nostalgia, but none of the service academies will be seriously considered for the Big12. You can bust me if I'm wrong

I can apply the same comment to UH. . . .

But the service academies bring a proven record of greater attendance and new TV markets. . . 

Keep in mind I listed 8 teams (UH didn't make the cut) .. . the choices (outside of BYU) are not good today .. . .we erred BADLY adding TCU instead of Louisville. . .we should have gone to 12 teams or more and included teams like FSU/Clemson/GT and Pitt . ..but we failed to act and others boxed us out. . . .

I am also thinking about how we can make the other teams better, one of the ways to do that is to add more regional rivals. . . 

Sorry, Cougar high does nothing. . . . which was my point.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

That creates some drama in and of itself doesn't it? If TCU beats Baylor in that conference championship game, you likely get a bunch of crying from Waco about how they already bested TCU earlier in the season and shouldn't have had to play them again to prove their worth.

Unless you split into divisions. If that were the case, TCU/Baylor are likely in the same division anyway.

IMO, Baylor-KSU was almost a conference title game. Baylor had the head-to-head with TCU so they would have advanced to such a game. KSU would have been in any North Zone of the Big 12 and won. So Baylor and KSU played what could essentially be a title game.

 

[Agmaniacmike]

A conference championship game doesn't make any sense in a round robin scenario. The top options seem to be expanding to 12 and adding divisions or moving to 11 and petitioning the NCAA for the ability to play a 13th regular season game. If you are adding 1, I believe BYU would be a good possibility. Louisville was a no-brainer back during the first expansion. They have done well in just about every major men and women's sport throughout the years and have an AD in Tom Jurich that is committed to maintaining that level of excellence. 

 

[doc longhorn]

We screwed up not going to 12 back when. . . how much better do we look with Louisville (rival for WVU) and BYU. . . 

We own the right to the Big14 and Big16 already. . ..

FSU and Clemson were never coming. . . .

Add AF, Army and Navy. . each a great road trip. . . 

Others to consider. . .UCF and USF. . .strengthen the East Coast and Florida ties 

Tulane. . OK, great road trip. .  .

Cincy and Memphis are rumored. . ..not crazy about either but I would have approached Pitt

FYI - you are right, partially, about FSU and Clemson.  But it was Louisville and not Clemson that we could have added.  We can thank our previous AD for not adding FSU and LU.  He convinced everyone in the Big 12 that he could eventually bring in Notre Dame.

My understanding was that, even though their president was against it (he wanted the ACC), the regents of FSU were almost unanimous in wanting to join the Big 12 and would have overridden him.  In addition, both FSU and Louisville had, already, made inquiries as to the receptiveness of the Big 12 in accepting them.  In fact Louisville had already internally agreed to immediately accept the off should they receive it.

As far as expansion, today, it still has to do with what the teams could bring to the financial table.  The added caveat being that it would be convenient to relieve WVU from being on an island.

Also, before Bowlsby was even hired, the Big 12 expansion committee were really seriously considering FSU and Louisville.  Interesting that Clemson was not a target at that time.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

FYI - you are right, partially, about FSU and Clemson.  But it was Louisville and not Clemson that we could have added.  We can thank our previous AD for not adding FSU and LU.  He convinced everyone in the Big 12 that he could eventually bring in Notre Dame.

My understanding was that, even though their president was against it (he wanted the ACC), the regents of FSU were almost unanimous in wanting to join the Big 12 and would have overridden him.  In addition, both FSU and Louisville had, already, made inquiries as to the receptiveness of the Big 12 in accepting them.  In fact Louisville had already internally agreed to immediately accept the off should they receive it.

As far as expansion, today, it still has to do with what the teams could bring to the financial table.  The added caveat being that it would be convenient to relieve WVU from being on an island.

Also, before Bowlsby was even hired, the Big 12 expansion committee were really seriously considering FSU and Louisville.  Interesting that Clemson was not a target at that time.

I guess we can think of the Notre Dame courtship as, "DeLoss' Folly".

Would've been great to add FSU and UL...bummer. IMO, the only reason we're seriously considering Cincy is to help out WVU and follow through on a promise to them.  UC isn't that bad, either.  Gives us a presence in OH and KY, B1G and SEC markets. 

Perhaps we anticipate the ACC making an offer to them to get to 16? Maybe beat them to the punch?  Who knows with this leadership.  I'm not impressed with Bowlsby so far.

 

[streettopeschel]

there's the new slogan to replace 'one true champion'.

'Cincy...they're not that bad'

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

there's the new slogan to replace 'one true champion'.

'Cincy...they're not that bad'

At least there's a hint of truth with that slogan!  :lol:

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Here's a couple of blog posts by @Big12Fanatic. Give him a follow if you Twitter.

http://big12fanatics.com/big-12s-problem-learned/

http://big12fanatics.com/college-football-playoff-revenue-finance-schminance/

 

[TheContractor]

If/When the Big 12 becomes a memory it will be bc of one man and his blind love and trust in ND. Deloss cost us Fsu, Clemson, and later Louisville. Historically, Deloss will and should be remembered for some good things but also the crap that he left Texas and the big 12 with. Deloss had 1 goal, $. He lost sight of the big picture of winning and maintaining strength and that would have led to more $. 

 

[TheContractor]

Here's a couple of blog posts by @Big12Fanatic. Give him a follow if you Twitter.

http://big12fanatics.com/big-12s-problem-learned/

http://big12fanatics.com/college-football-playoff-revenue-finance-schminance/

Where i disagree with the first link is Bu and Tcu having good/great schedules. 

I agree tosu had an "ok schedule" the same is true for tcu. Bu had a poor schedule. Tcu and Bu had harder conference schedules. but look at non conf. 

tosu - Navy, VT(loss), kent St, Cincinnati and good conf teams - Mich St, Minnesota and then a killing of an overrated Wisconsin. 

Bu - SMU, NWst, Buffalo(best was a 6-6 NWst team) and good conf teams -  TCU, Kst, Ou 

TCU - Samford, SMU, Minnesota(8-4) and good conf teams - Bu(loss), Kst, Ou

There are flaws with all the teams. Had Bu or TCU scheduled a decent Non conf team and won they should be in. I agree tosu didn't schedule a good not conf team but their last game b4 voters decided was to a 10-2/7-1 top 12 team where they won 59-0. 

I think Tcu/Bu got screwed but i can see how it didn't work out also. had Bu beaten Kst 59-0 and tosu beaten Wisconsin by 38-27 i think Bu gets in(even with that shitty OOC).

baylor for the next 5 years has scheduled shit so unless they go undefeated they should be out. Duke is best OOC and they have actually scheduled Incarnate World.  

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

baylor for the next 5 years has scheduled shit so unless they go undefeated they should be out. Duke is best OOC and they have actually scheduled Incarnate World.  

I think Baylor understands their reality better than most.  Deep down, they know they must go undefeated to have a chance to make the CFB Playoff, otherwise why schedule an Incarnate Word?  It just didn't go their way this year.