Ricky Williams launches brand of marijuana based products

[BWilk55]

Ok so now you have shifted from the "More positives than negatives" to there is no "clear" link that marijuana causes psychiatric disorders.  The study you cited has zero to do with the benefits of treating depression or anxiety.  The study you cited was to determine is Cannabis caused psychiatric disorders and substance use disorders.  They did not come to any conclusion whatsoever of psychiatric disorders but rather compared it to a control group of alcohol and other drug users.  How exactly is this at all relevant to your claims?

On the other hand cannabis has been proven to reduce the blood flow to brain.

Your support for using cannabis is solely for comfort level only and there is absolutely ZERO evidence cannabis treats mental disorders but rather the pain of dealing with the disease.  Well the exact same thing can be said for alcohol, heroin, morphine, and numerous other narcotics.  The irony is if doctors are prescribing cannabis for mental disorders then they are contributing to it.  Its malpractice and a scam.  Hell insurance companies even offer marijuana malpractice insurance.

The study I quoted showed no link between marijuana and depression. You shared articles concluded there was a link and I provided a research study that concluded the opposite. Simply making the point that the link is uncertain.

Everything in medicine comes down to risk vs. benefit. Marijuana is an overall low risk substance. You can point to studies linking to depression, decreased blood flow, etc but none of these harms have been shown to be conclusive or significant. 

Now, consider a patient with significant anxiety. They have tried and failed first line treatments, such as SSRIs/SNRIs, etc(which come with a host of potential side effects themselves). What's the next best option? Benzodiazepines, which are addictive and in overdose deadly, and also have side effects of depression? Or controlled, prescribed and closely monitored medical marijuana? 

 

[tejasrulz]

I'm a product of the 70s so I'd be lying if I said I never smoked weed however I no longer partake since beer/wine are so much cheaper and legal may I add. Over the years I have known several smart and successful people who enjoyed smoking it and they stayed smart and successful. Truth be told, I heard Ricky smoked while at UT, didn't seem to hurt his playing ability. 

Pro sports and colleges have no problem shooting people up with steroids, painkillers and such. However smoke a little weed on your day off and you get expelled or fined or both.

Every LEO I know have told me they rather deal with someone who was high than someone who was drunk due to drunks being more violent. 

The Chinese have used Marijuana as medicine for thousands of years for medicinal purposes. So long term effect? Study the Chinese. It has also shown to help old people with glaucoma, people with cancer and young kids with seizures. If it was the only thing that helped my kid, you bet I'd give it to them.

We give people morphine (an opioids like Heroin) which can be addictive and you can overdose on. I've never heard of someone overdosing on weed. Worse case is they could get diabetes from all the cookies and Snicker bars they would eat.

 

[DMAC]

The study I quoted showed no link between marijuana and depression. You shared articles concluded there was a link and I provided a research study that concluded the opposite. Simply making the point that the link is uncertain.

Everything in medicine comes down to risk vs. benefit. Marijuana is an overall low risk substance. You can point to studies linking to depression, decreased blood flow, etc but none of these harms have been shown to be conclusive or significant. 

Now, consider a patient with significant anxiety. They have tried and failed first line treatments, such as SSRIs/SNRIs, etc(which come with a host of potential side effects themselves). What's the next best option? Benzodiazepines, which are addictive and in overdose deadly, and also have side effects of depression? Or controlled, prescribed and closely monitored medical marijuana? 

Again the study you cited didnt come to a conclusion either way.  You are saying the absence of a conclusion in THEIR study is proof.  That isnt how this works.  If there was no link they would have clearly stated that in their conclusion.  There are many studies which show a mental disorders including depression, anxiety, psychosis, dementia, schizophrenia, cognitive decline and many more mental disorders.

Again I dont care to carry on this conversation.  I am not a hippie nor proponent of pot heads.  I dont care what other people do.  The evidence is clear to me.  If others want to smoke until their brains cease to function of a normal scale then more power to them, i really dont care but if doctors are going to prescribe or recommend cannabis for mental disorder treatment then its malpractice in my view.  The very thing they are trying to treat is making the condition worse and so the answer is do more lol.  Its pathetic.  Doctors prescribed opioids too and look how that turned out.

Regular cannabis use is linked to an increased risk of anxiety and depression. But most research seems to have a focus on the link between psychosis and cannabis.

Using cannabis can increase the risk of later developing psychotic illness, including schizophrenia. There is a lot of reliable evidence to show a link between the use of stronger cannabis and psychotic illnesses, including schizophrenia. But the link is not fully understood.

Cannabis may be one of the causes of developing a mental illness, but it isn’t be the only cause for many people. Not everyone who uses cannabis will develop psychosis or schizophrenia. And not everyone who has psychosis or schizophrenia has used cannabis. But you are more likely to develop a psychotic illness if you smoke cannabis. And are ‘genetically vulnerable’ to mental health problems.

Cannabis can have the following effects.

• Long term use can have a small but permanent effect on how well you think and concentrate.
  
• Smoking cannabis can cause a serious relapse if you have a psychotic illness.
  
• Regular cannabis use can lead to an increased risk of later developing mental illness. Especially if you use cannabis when you are young.
  

 

[DMAC]

I'm a product of the 70s so I'd be lying if I said I never smoked weed however I no longer partake since beer/wine are so much cheaper and legal may I add. Over the years I have known several smart and successful people who enjoyed smoking it and they stayed smart and successful. Truth be told, I heard Ricky smoked while at UT, didn't seem to hurt his playing ability. 

Pro sports and colleges have no problem shooting people up with steroids, painkillers and such. However smoke a little weed on your day off and you get expelled or fined or both.

Every LEO I know have told me they rather deal with someone who was high than someone who was drunk due to drunks being more violent. 

The Chinese have used Marijuana as medicine for thousands of years for medicinal purposes. So long term effect? Study the Chinese. It has also shown to help old people with glaucoma, people with cancer and young kids with seizures. If it was the only thing that helped my kid, you bet I'd give it to them.

We give people morphine (an opioids like Heroin) which can be addictive and you can overdose on. I've never heard of someone overdosing on weed. Worse case is they could get diabetes from all the cookies and Snicker bars they would eat.

Everyone has their own views but its a stretch to say well its no worse than this or that drug.  That's a pretty weak argument considering the damage the drugs you mentioned has caused.  When you say it has helped people in Chinese studies what is the "help" you are referring to?  It cures cancer if a cancer patient is smoking weed?  ?  I realize you are talking about pain.  So weed does nothing to improve the disease.  Weeds acts a dissociative drug just like morphine or opioids is for pain.  It literally provides no other health benefits at all.  

Now if you want to make a case of legality of doing cannabis that is different.  People should be able to make their own choices without government overreach.  Alcohol destroys livers and if cannabis destroys brains then its your own choice to do so.

 

[tejasrulz]

Everyone has their own views but its a stretch to say well its no worse than this or that drug.  That's a pretty weak argument considering the damage the drugs you mentioned has caused.  When you say it has helped people in Chinese studies what is the "help" you are referring to?  It cures cancer if a cancer patient is smoking weed?  ?  I realize you are talking about pain.  So weed does nothing to improve the disease.  Weeds acts a dissociative drug just like morphine or opioids is for pain.  It literally provides no other health benefits at all.  

Now if you want to make a case of legality of doing cannabis that is different.  People should be able to make their own choices without government overreach.  Alcohol destroys livers and if cannabis destroys brains then its your own choice to do so.

So with what I wrote you got that I stated it cured cancer? In the words of Little Feat "Don't Bogart that joint my friend, pass it over to me"

 

[DMAC]

So with what I wrote you got that I stated it cured cancer? In the words of Little Feat "Don't Bogart that joint my friend, pass it over to me"

LOL

You mentioned studies in China first of all and never cited one.  Then you stated the drug "helped".  I asked how it helped and you gave zero response.  I knew you were talking about pain and I stated as much but clearly you choose to overlook that.  Selective reading and cherry picking seems prevalent in this thread. 

Cannabis helps with pain like acetaminophen temporarily relieves pain or alcohol temporarily relieves anxiety.  I have said so throughout this entire thread. 

Then you state I know plenty of people who smoke pot and are still smart as hell.  Well I know a guy who has smoked pot since he was 16 and he is mentally feeble as shit now.  I am surprised he can even tie his shoes in the morning.  He blames pot for his mental handicap. 

Show me one peer reviewed research paper or clinical paper where smoking cannabis improves memory function, depression, anxiety, and any other mental disorder other than the temporary dissociative effect. 

 

[Baron]

Y'all are being buzzkills ?

 

[linnoiemclaren]

Dudes, the use of marijuana leads to a transition to heavier drugs, such as cocaine, for example. according to experienced addicts, addiction to cocaine develops completely unnoticed. And this is a trap for a person who has decided to try a drug. There is no withdrawal, there is no unrestrained desire to "sniff" (unlike other drugs, cocaine is more often sucked through the nose or rubbed into the gums). After taking a dose, a person simply begins to see the world in a different light. Everything around him becomes beautiful, pleasant, endearing and enjoyable. Beautiful people, beautiful music, delicious alcohol. The heart is filled with euphoria, there is a feeling of incredible strength and self-confidence. I want to enjoy this state endlessly. If you are already trapped, contact https://fherehab.com/cocaine/about-cocaine/.

 

[DBut82]

Dudes, the use of marijuana leads to a transition to heavier drugs, such as cocaine, for example. according to experienced addicts, addiction to cocaine develops completely unnoticed.

Disagree 100%...just because an addict (a cocaine addict in this "example") smoked weed prior to becoming addicted to cocaine in no way means marijuana lead them to trying cocaine...