Horn v aggy

[Randolph Duke]

Why doesn't A&M schedule Tech or Baylor?  They're "too good" for them and aggie feels like they have nothing to gain from it.

Because Tech and Baylor aren't FCS schools. 

For those who haven't done the math, the difference in our crappy 8-5 and their "outstanding" 9-4 last year was their playing an FCS opponent as opposed to their playing another conference game. 

The FCS game in incredibly important to the aggy's perception of their season. They will do everything in their power to avoid switching that to another FBS team, especially one motivated to beat them. 

 

[Juan]

I think UH would have been a better choice for the Big 12 than TCU
 
Alot has changed there over the last decade or so
It is Tier I now (I think there are only 3 in the state)
Also, Carnegie moved them into the top tier of research universities (also one of only three in the state)
They have a larger alumni base than TCU
They are building a nice new football stadium right now
They have more on campus dorms now than UT does

Going with TCU was short-sighted

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I think UH would have been a better choice for the Big 12 than TCU

Alot has changed there over the last decade or so

It is Tier I now (I think there are only 3 in the state)

Also, Carnegie moved them into the top tier of research universities (also one of only three in the state)

They have a larger alumni base than TCU

They are building a nice new football stadium right now

They have more on campus dorms now than UT does

Going with TCU was short-sighted

Good to see UH building up their infrastructure.  I don't think the Cougars will get left out in a D4 realignment, but it's hard to tell.  I think they can be every bit as competitive as Louisville long-term with the high school talent in the Houston area and Golden Triangle.

There's the rub...if the Big12 added UH it could eat into UT's and others recruiting.  Cannibalization.  But, yes, I also believe long-term they're a better program than TCU.

 

[texasdobbs]

No I'm..... good, but thanks for asking...

 

[doc longhorn]

Let me be clear about Texas A&M.  I despise their cult crap, constant student brain washing and the ridiculous leadership they have.  I do NOT despise a good part of their student body.  A&M has some really good kids attending that school that haven't been brainwashed by the fake army goobers.  They aren't there for the Gene Stallings and the bow tied nerd jerks.  They are there to get an education and, really, isn't that why we all attended UT?

We have, at least, two aggies that post on here that I really like.  I admire their loyalty to the school they love and it is fun arguing with them about the merits of each school.

But I am going to say this because I believe it to my core.  The school leadership sold out a 100 year rivalry for nothing more monumental than butthurt at UT and the excuse of making more money.  I would say this about UT had they done the same.

Some things are more important than the almighty dollar and the rivalry between the two flagship schools of our wonderful state should never have been threatened or sold out by weak leadership - by either school. Ever!

Essentially we are joined at the hip and MUST have remained competing with each other for the common goal of conference championships.  Even if we start playing them again it will never be the same.  It simply won't and Joe and Mike - you must know this.  Both of you have to admit the only reason you wanted to play us recently is because you believe you had a superior team.  If we return to our powerhouse status, and we will, I suspect you won't want any part of us.  Particularly if you are struggling like we have been.

The bottom line is A&M wanted nothing to do with UT.  This kind of hatred is mass neurosis.  Had they wanted to continue the rivalry they would have either stayed in the Big 12, gone to the PAC with us or campaigned for us to join them in the SEC.

This is why their complaint that we don't want to play them is simply a red herring to cover up the colossal mistake they know they made in leaving us.

 

[doc longhorn]

Good to see UH building up their infrastructure.  I don't think the Cougars will get left out in a D4 realignment, but it's hard to tell.  I think they can be every bit as competitive as Louisville long-term with the high school talent in the Houston area and Golden Triangle.

There's the rub...if the Big12 added UH it could eat into UT's and others recruiting.  Cannibalization.  But, yes, I also believe long-term they're a better program than TCU.

A small factoid - most people don't know that DKR was instrumental in getting UH into the SWC.

The problem with UH is that it has always been a commuter school and a big part of its student body were grown men and women with families.  The young part of the student body are actually very vociferous in supporting UH sports.

However, attendence is usually abysmal and they rarely filled their small stadium.

 

[streettopeschel]

can't argue with any of the reasons posted for not wanting to play them. i've held or still hold pretty much all of those opinions.

for me, despite all of that, i prefer rivalry games (and stop with the 'it wasn't much of a rivalry' stuff) and beating a&m has provided some of the sweetest moments in our athletic history. the '77, 83, 95 and 2011 football games jump to mind.

i'd also guess every one of us got special satisfaction beating the ags for the regional title, moreso than any school we could have played outside of ou. THAT's the essence of college sports imo.

it's fun to have someone you loathe and who loathes you. yes, we have ou, but i don't loathe tcu, tech et al.

anyway, good discussion.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

The bottom line is A&M wanted nothing to do with UT.  This kind of hatred is mass neurosis.  Had they wanted to continue the rivalry they would have either stayed in the Big 12, gone to the PAC with us or campaigned for us to join them in the SEC.

The funny part is, the hatred wasn't shared until after A&M bolted for the SEC.  At least it wasn't for me anyway.

 

[echeese]

Good to see UH building up their infrastructure.  I don't think the Cougars will get left out in a D4 realignment, but it's hard to tell.  I think they can be every bit as competitive as Louisville long-term with the high school talent in the Houston area and Golden Triangle.

There's the rub...if the Big12 added UH it could eat into UT's and others recruiting.  Cannibalization.  But, yes, I also believe long-term they're a better program than TCU.

A better question, why would you include a UH team that averaged 24,000 per home stand. . .this past year (5,000 less than UTSA)

At their peak they averaged 31,000 (2011) with is barely better than UTSA (which has far more room for growth) over 29,000 in 2013

Competitive with UL?     on what basis?   When has UH ever gone to a bowl and smoked major programs?  UL's attendance hovers around 45-50,000 per game and has enjoyed that level of fan support for years now. . . .

I certainly hope a major weeding out factor for the teams 40-64/70 is attendance.  . ..

Non-AQ teams like BYU, Louisville, East Carolina Utah, S Fla, SDSU etc should be rewarded for filling up the stands. . . 

OTOH, mutts like UH etc should not be included IMO as they bring little to nothing to the table. . . .

 

[Shevis Irons]

UofH tier 1? Says who? Pleas show me where they are Declared Tier 1 other than propaganda disseminated by UofH.

Have the upgraded, yes, but in the "real" academic world they are not there yet.

But that's not why they will not be aligned with UT in the same conference. Not anytime soon. No need to beat that dead horse again.

 

[Shevis Irons]

The funny part is, the hatred wasn't shared until after A&M bolted for the SEC. At least it wasn't for me anyway.

Same for me.

I always looked at aggy like our special needs little brother. Kinda cute, little off, good for a joke now and then, can really irritate us at times but in all, still our little brother so we take them good and bad. Then they lawyer up, move out of the house, and sue to steal our collective inheritance. We let them have it because, well we can make more than they ever can in the long run anyway. However, we can never trust them again.

 

[echeese]

UofH tier 1? Says who? Pleas show me where they are Declared Tier 1 other than propaganda disseminated by UofH.

Have the upgraded, yes, but in the "real" academic world they are not there yet.

But that's not why they will not be aligned with UT in the same conference. Not anytime soon. No need to beat that dead horse again.

By Carnigie. . .I checked. . . .just an FYI, wasn't sure I believed it either initially. . . .nor am I sure what that matters to being included in D 4

You have UTSA UTD TT all right on the cusp of inclusion. . . .

Not that I am advocating UTSA but they make a much better long term case for inclusion in D 4 than UH .. . so can a great number of schools. . .. .not sure anyone outside of Houston would consider them unless we are reviving the SWC . . . .which would be a horrid idea. . ..IMHO of course.

 

[streettopeschel]

By Carnigie. . .I checked. . . .just an FYI, wasn't sure I believed it either initially. . . .nor am I sure what that matters to being included in D 4

You have UTSA UTD TT all right on the cusp of inclusion. . . .

Not that I am advocating UTSA but they make a much better long term case for inclusion in D 4 than UH .. . so can a great number of schools. . .. .not sure anyone outside of Houston would consider them unless we are reviving the SWC . . . .which would be a horrid idea. . ..IMHO of course.

what is it? i'm glad we have D1 football in SA and i suspect UTSA (and Texas St for that matter) will be able to carve a nice niche at a mid-major football level. but isn't UTSA pretty much the same school as UH ? 

 

[echeese]

what is it? i'm glad we have D1 football in SA and i suspect UTSA (and Texas St for that matter) will be able to carve a nice niche at a mid-major football level. but isn't UTSA pretty much the same school as UH ? 

Carnigie?  One of the "evaluation" services for college. . . .not sure how credible

Not really advocating UTSA for D 4 inclusion but my point is they make a much better case than UH. . . 

No pro team to compete with (few college teams do well competing with pro teams. . .SMU/TCU . . .Pitt. . .Cinncy .. .Miami. ..etc etc)

Growing geographic area vs inner city school

Growing alumni base

Better attendance today (UTSA has only been playing football a couple years now) vs UH which didn't draw well in their best (Top 5 ranked till So Miss tore them up) year.

Will be a Tier 1 school soon as will UTD

But yes, largely similar

Not sure either would make my cut for 64-70 D 4 schools. . ..