Longhorn News/Discussion (Non-Recruiting)

[dssl]

I do. If you finished second in your conference, how can you possibly say you're the best there is? It's already been proven that you're not.

If 2 teams are well matched  either could win on a given day. 

When you have 2 conferences that have most of the top teams it's not surprising that the second place team in a conference could in fact be the best team(eg Georgia and Alabama 2021).

Only allowing 1 team per conference would put SEC and the B1G teams at a disadvantage in a 4 team playoff.  Obviously when you go to 12 it would be a non starter. So I'm not sure exactly what you are advocating. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

If 2 teams are well matched  either could win on a given day. 

When you have 2 conferences that have most of the top teams it's not surprising that the second place team in a conference could in fact be the best team(eg Georgia and Alabama 2021).

Only allowing 1 team per conference would put SEC and the B1G teams at a disadvantage in a 4 team playoff.  Obviously when you go to 12 it would be a non starter. So I'm not sure exactly what you are advocating. 

It truly does not matter to this point whether two teams are evenly matched. If neither is better than the other, then neither are your national champion.

I'm not sure I'd understand how putting one team in the CFP puts either conference at a disadvantage, unless our whole point here is to give those specific conferences extra help to achieve the dominance they've convinced you they have.

Going to 12 games doesn't give us a better or more accurate national champion. It just provides the NCAA and member schools more opportunity to make money. The first time we have a 2-3 loss team win it all, then we'll only have a team that was good enough to win that game, not a national champion.

Every week, every game, matters. Not just the ones at the end. This BS about relying on early season losses to help you is just that, BS. 

 

[dssl]

It truly does not matter to this point whether two teams are evenly matched. If neither is better than the other, then neither are your national champion.

I'm not sure I'd understand how putting one team in the CFP puts either conference at a disadvantage, unless our whole point here is to give those specific conferences extra help to achieve the dominance they've convinced you they have.

Going to 12 games doesn't give us a better or more accurate national champion. It just provides the NCAA and member schools more opportunity to make money. The first time we have a 2-3 loss team win it all, then we'll only have a team that was good enough to win that game, not a national champion.

Every week, every game, matters. Not just the ones at the end. This BS about relying on early season losses to help you is just that, BS. 

In a world of absolutes you could rank each team, the higher ranked team would always win. The reality is teams have bad days and good days and figuring out which is the best team is difficult and imperfect. 

I agree that a 12 team play off is no more likely to find the best team then a 4 team playoff.  I also agree it's mostly about money,  but I have no problem with a multiple loss team winning it all. Just like in basketball or baseball if you win the NCAA tournament,  the college world series you are the national champions, no matter if you won your conference,  no matter your record(has to be good enough to make the field).

 

[Sirhornsalot]

In a world of absolutes you could rank each team, the higher ranked team would always win. The reality is teams have bad days and good days and figuring out which is the best team is difficult and imperfect. 

I agree that a 12 team play off is no more likely to find the best team then a 4 team playoff.  I also agree it's mostly about money,  but I have no problem with a multiple loss team winning it all. Just like in basketball or baseball if you win the NCAA tournament,  the college world series you are the national champions, no matter if you won your conference,  no matter your record(has to be good enough to make the field).

Good points, all. It just seems like a loss on the schedule, if done early enough, doesn't work against you. And that just defies logic, IMO. To be the best, IMO, you have to be the best every week. Not just November.

 

[dssl]

Good points, all. It just seems like a loss on the schedule, if done early enough, doesn't work against you. And that just defies logic, IMO. To be the best, IMO, you have to be the best every week. Not just November.

Every loss makes it less likely you will win the conference,  or make the playoffs,  so each game is still very important.

It's true that an early loss will probably effect your playoff chances a little less.  But since a playoff tries to finds the best team at the end of the season, I think it's reasonable.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Say a high school in Texas starts season 0-4. Wins all conference games. Go into play offs. Faces a team they lost by 3 tds.

Wins all play off games and State.     Possible?

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Every loss makes it less likely you will win the conference,  or make the playoffs,  so each game is still very important.

It's true that an early loss will probably effect your playoff chances a little less.  But since a playoff tries to finds the best team at the end of the season, I think it's reasonable.

So you could lose your first five games, but if you go undefeated after that, beat someone like Bama or Georgia along the way and is the best team at that point – they were only the best team for half a season. Did the first five games not matter? If not, then why play them?

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Say a high school in Texas starts season 0-4. Wins all conference games. Go into play offs. Faces a team they lost by 3 tds.

Wins all play off games and State.     Possible?

See Tyler Chapel Hill. I think they won state one year with five losses.

But this is only possible because the UIL will basically let anyone in the playoffs, including teams who only have one win. It has happened a few times.

IMO, the UIL went way beyond where they should have. I would agree on two teams from each district, but the way it is now, you just show up for games and you're in.

I remember in 1978, Daingerfield lost one game, went 9-1. They didn't play in the playoffs. They lost to the district champ by 3 points (Atlanta). This was the year of Phillip Epps and Paul Rogers.

 

[dssl]

So you could lose your first five games, but if you go undefeated after that, beat someone like Bama or Georgia along the way and is the best team at that point – they were only the best team for half a season. Did the first five games not matter? If not, then why play them?

The chances of losing any 5 games, and then being ranked high enough to make the playoffs has to be very close to zero, even if you beat some good teams at the end.

To make the playoffs you have to be a top 12 or so team. If you are ranked that high, and then win all 3 or 4 rounds of the playoffs,  then I wouldn't care how many losses you have, you are still the national champions.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Think Joe Golding and W. Falls. State Champs his firstyear at coaching there.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I do. If you finished second in your conference, how can you possibly say you're the best there is? It's already been proven that you're not.

I believe it is possible that you can finish second in your conference and still be one of the best four teams in the country. In that case, I have no problem putting such a team in the playoffs because I want the 4 best teams for the simple reason that not all conferences are equal when it comes to the overall quality of their teams. 

 

[Wayne]

So you could lose your first five games, but if you go undefeated after that, beat someone like Bama or Georgia along the way and is the best team at that point – they were only the best team for half a season. Did the first five games not matter? If not, then why play them?

Then the only way to get the answer of the best team for the whole year is to vote. The best team doesn’t always win. That’s why we play the game. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

See Tyler Chapel Hill. I think they won state one year with five losses.

But this is only possible because the UIL will basically let anyone in the playoffs, including teams who only have one win. It has happened a few times.

IMO, the UIL went way beyond where they should have. I would agree on two teams from each district, but the way it is now, you just show up for games and you're in.

I remember in 1978, Daingerfield lost one game, went 9-1. They didn't play in the playoffs. They lost to the district champ by 3 points (Atlanta). This was the year of Phillip Epps and Paul Rogers.

Man, I got one that I don't think will ever be topped. 

Back in the 70's, Sherman was in the same district as Plano. Here is what happened in consecutive years. Sherman and Plano tie in district and both finish the year 9-0-1. But you guessed it. Plano advanced to the playoffs based on the tiebreaker, penetration or first downs. I don't remember which. 

The next year, Sherman beats Plano in district play and advances to the playoffs with a perfect 10-0 record. We win our first playoff and play Temple in the Texas Stadium the next round. Temple scores 3 touchdowns in the last 3 and a half minutes of the game to tie Sherman 35-35. But, yes, you guessed it. Temple advanced on the tie breaker and went on to win state. 

So, in a 2 year span, Sherman goes undefeated with a 20-0-2 record and has zip to show for it. 

 

[BWilk55]

I do. If you finished second in your conference, how can you possibly say you're the best there is? It's already been proven that you're not.

2008 Texas would like a word with you sir!

 

[Sirhornsalot]

2008 Texas would like a word with you sir!

2008 was not when Texas was the best there was. Colt McCoy covered up a lot of deficiencies.

That said, I think Texas got robbed that year.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Back when Texas H S. had to win district. to make playoffs. There was no over times penertrations first downs and yards rushing decided the winners. Small schools only went to regional.

The story on Golding was in predistrict games he had players playing in several positions. But when district started team was set. Beattwo teams that had beaten him earlier.

He won four States at W F. and his son was a good ladies basketball coach. His record was 154-24-2 Hall of Famer coach.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Back when Texas H S. had to win district. to make playoffs. There was no over times penertrations first downs and yards rushing decided the winners. Small schools only went to regional.

The story on Golding was in predistrict games he had players playing in several positions. But when district started team was set. Beattwo teams that had beaten him earlier.

He won four States at W F. and his son was a good ladies basketball coach. His record was 154-24-2 Hall of Famer coach.

Wasn't that before indoor toilets?

 

[Eastexhorn]

Wasn't that before indoor toilets?

No there was some indoors in town. However the rural scgool 1-8 grade had outdoors. 

Was a time back as Golding ran a single wing offence.

 

[Eastexhorn]

2008 was not when Texas was the best there was. Colt McCoy covered up a lot of deficiencies.

That said, I think Texas got robbed that year.

Big 12 was the strongest conference that year if memory serves me correctly.

 

[Billybass]

Wasn’t that the year zero u got championship on votes ? Can’t remember…

if it was they got their clock cleaned in the bowl game