Longhorn News/Discussion (Non-Recruiting)

[hornsups]

You are totally out of line with this post. 

That’s your opinion. Thanks though. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

That’s your opinion. Thanks though. 

You are quite welcome.

 

[drgilbert]

I wouldn’t have a heart attack but I would be disappointed if UT allowed it’s student athletes to kneel during the anthem. 

 

[Rotty22]

What I'd like to see here is instead of focusing on the 10 people killed (2019) from 41.5 million (and thats not including those who are black/white mix) population and calling that a problem . . . why not focus on the 15% of America's population being black, yet 53% of murders are committed by blacks. (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43)

Or the fact that the #1 killer (and its not even close) of black men in America is other black men. (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls)

Or how 70 percent of all black children are born to unmarried parents and become single-parent households.

This is why these changes really won't change anything. We're not addressing the real problems. 

Yes, these are real problems.  The question is what is the root cause of the problem?  That's where the difference of opinion lies.  Can this be traced to level of education, opportunities for a quality education, available work opportunities?  Are all education systems equal in America?  Can anyone live where ever they want and not worry about others looking at their skin color?  Can it even be traced back to slavery and racism in America?  I'm sure an argument can be made.  That being said, the problems in America need real solutions instead of finger pointing.  Everyone's going to have their opinion and everyone's going to have their table of facts.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Yes, these are real problems.  The question is what is the root cause of the problem?  That's where the difference of opinion lies.  Can this be traced to level of education, opportunities for a quality education, available work opportunities?  Are all education systems equal in America?  Can anyone live where ever they want and not worry about others looking at their skin color?  Can it even be traced back to slavery and racism in America?  I'm sure an argument can be made.  That being said, the problems in America need real solutions instead of finger pointing.  Everyone's going to have their opinion and everyone's going to have their table of facts.

Well, maybe you could start with the 70%-plus of the black population (44.4 million) who have babies out of wedlock and into single-parent homes?

I can't believe you breezed right by that and then ask "what is the root problem here?" Hello?

Yes, you are free to live where you want in this country. That goes for blacks as well as any other color. This is not a problem.

Yes, it can be traced back but no one wants to talk about the past much because it is knee-deep in Democrats.

Let me be clear – I DID NOT GIVE YOU OPINION – and you did not respond to opinion. I gave you FBI statistics for 2019 – the only table of facts that really matter.

You had facts spoon fed to you (and links) and yet you run around wondering about the facts? Good grief dude.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

You’re a dumb F@#K if you think that’s the biggest problem. Black people kill more black people. Just like white people kill more white people. The reason?? Because that’s who they live near. You pretend to be so smart. If you don’t know that. You’re not too bright. Again you are ill-informed and don’t have the mental capacity to talk about the racial injustices in this country. You’re not worth talking to because you’re closed-minded with right wing talking points. It’s sad I can without a doubt tell from everything you’ve said you are conservative, white male. You probably would have a heart attack if one of our players kneeled during the anthem. You’re weak. So as I said on the other thread. Good day sir. And any other thing you respond to my post with will be the receive the same response. You’re not worth me answering any of your flawed questions or statements. 

Maybe you should take a break and solve your own personal problems instead of taking on something obviously over your head. I didn't read past your first sentence. Potty mouth is the first clue someone is losing a debate.

 

[primal defense]

Maybe you should take a break and solve your own personal problems instead of taking on something obviously over your head. I didn't read past your first sentence. Potty mouth is the first clue someone is losing a debate.

He knows what he's talking about more than you. You were the idiot that was posting that Covid 19 was a hoax and no worse than the flu and now your lecturing other people. 

 

[joeywa]

Perhaps we should all take a deep breath here. We are all Longhorns, so let’s try to remember to use respect and lay off the personal attacks. We all have our opinions and the current events over the past 3 months have everyone a bit on edge. Just try to keep things civil. 
Hook ‘em!

 

[Rotty22]

Well, maybe you could start with the 70%-plus of the black population (44.4 million) who have babies out of wedlock and into single-parent homes?

Ok, start with that.  What's the cause?  Could it be level of education?  lack of opportunities?  Incarceration?  Whatever it is, what's the solution?

"Let me be clear – I DID NOT GIVE YOU OPINION "

Never said you did.

"You had facts spoon fed to you (and links) and yet you run around wondering about the facts? Good grief dude."

Oh boy here comes the passive aggressive. When someone points out something in your post you have to insult and demean.  Get over yourself.

 

[hornsups]

Maybe you should take a break and solve your own personal problems instead of taking on something obviously over your head. I didn't read past your first sentence. Potty mouth is the first clue someone is losing a debate.

I said good day sir 

 

[hornsups]

Ok, start with that.  What's the cause?  Could it be level of education?  lack of opportunities?  Incarceration?  Whatever it is, what's the solution?

"Let me be clear – I DID NOT GIVE YOU OPINION "

Never said you did.

"You had facts spoon fed to you (and links) and yet you run around wondering about the facts? Good grief dude."

Oh boy here comes the passive aggressive. When someone points out something in your post you have to insult and demean.  Get over yourself.

Anyone who tries to talk about African Americans coming from single family homes who doesn’t then point to the sentencing reforms unevenly sentenced African Americans, mainly males, is either disingenuous person or not knowledgeable about things. I find it sad that so many people have such ridiculously insensitive, incorrect, I’ll-informed and bigoted views of what African Americans have gone through. It’s easy to spew some stat you’ve seen on the internet. It takes the want to & actually caring to look into why something happened. Maybe talk to people who don’t look like you to understand. Crazy so many people who cheer for these mostly black players and get up in arms when we don’t sign good players, they are so naive to the issues facing those players and people who look like them. If there aren’t changes, I will never get mad if we don’t sign another top class.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I said good day sir 

Well good day to you, too. lol 

Anyone who tries to talk about African Americans coming from single family homes who doesn’t then point to the sentencing reforms unevenly sentenced African Americans, mainly males, is either disingenuous person or not knowledgeable about things. I find it sad that so many people have such ridiculously insensitive, incorrect, I’ll-informed and bigoted views of what African Americans have gone through. It’s easy to spew some stat you’ve seen on the internet. It takes the want to & actually caring to look into why something happened. Maybe talk to people who don’t look like you to understand. Crazy so many people who cheer for these mostly black players and get up in arms when we don’t sign good players, they are so naive to the issues facing those players and people who look like them. If there aren’t changes, I will never get mad if we don’t sign another top class.

But you said good day to me. lol

What would you know about the crime bill of 1994 (that you are unknowingly referring to)? That the Congressional Black Caucus, along with Joe Biden, were the main pushers of that legislation? That is precisely where those ridiculous sentences came from.

I find it incredible that you're willing to speak on things you've yet to learn. Apparently, you don't have the want or caring you mentioned above. Otherwise, you wouldn't ASSume that someone didn't already know the stats and knew where to look and seems to be dragging you along in this conversation.

 

[hornsups]

Well good day to you, too. lol 

But you said good day to me. lol

What would you know about the crime bill of 1994 (that you are unknowingly referring to)? That the Congressional Black Caucus, along with Joe Biden, were the main pushers of that legislation? That is precisely where those ridiculous sentences came from.

I find it incredible that you're willing to speak on things you've yet to learn. 

I said good day sir. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I said good day sir. 

Yes you did. And you said a lot more than that. And I said: 

What would you know about the crime bill of 1994 (that you are unknowingly referring to)? That the Congressional Black Caucus, along with Joe Biden, were the main pushers of that legislation? That is precisely where those ridiculous sentences came from.

I find it incredible that you're willing to speak on things you've yet to learn. Apparently, you don't have the want or caring you mentioned above. Otherwise, you wouldn't ASSume that someone didn't already know the stats and knew where to look and seems to be dragging you along in this conversation.

 

[hornsups]

Yes you did. And you said a lot more than that. And I said: 

What would you know about the crime bill of 1994 (that you are unknowingly referring to)? That the Congressional Black Caucus, along with Joe Biden, were the main pushers of that legislation? That is precisely where those ridiculous sentences came from.

I find it incredible that you're willing to speak on things you've yet to learn. Apparently, you don't have the want or caring you mentioned above. Otherwise, you wouldn't ASSume that someone didn't already know the stats and knew where to look and seems to be dragging you along in this conversation.

Good day sir 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Good day sir 

It is so far. lol

What would you know about the crime bill of 1994 (that you are unknowingly referring to)? That the Congressional Black Caucus, along with Joe Biden, were the main pushers of that legislation? That is precisely where those ridiculous sentences came from.

I find it incredible that you're willing to speak on things you've yet to learn. Apparently, you don't have the want or caring you mentioned above. Otherwise, you wouldn't ASSume that someone didn't already know the stats and knew where to look and seems to be dragging you along in this conversation.

 

[hornsups]

Maybe someone needs to hear this. I attended the same university as many of you. I studied government. Did pretty well. Oh and I’m an African American who went to a predominantly black school. Our teachers were insistent we learn about the 1994 Crime Bill. We learned about the differences in sentencing for something like crack cocaine vs powder cocaine. We learned about mandatory minimals. We also were sure to learn about redlining. Oh and my parents were sure to teach me these things as well. And they were sure to tell me how I needed to be when dealing with certain people. So when a white conservative tries to come at me like I’m not knowledgeable about the issues going on in my community. I can’t respond to such ridiculousness. I don’t need to prove myself to someone who obviously hasn’t really experienced or spoken with people who he’s trying to stat facts about. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

For 40 years, the US Senate was host to an elected Senator who was also the Grand Dragon of the KKK.

The person the Democrats have selected as their presidential nominee gave the eulogy at the Grand Dragon's funeral.

So since we don't forgive the past or consider that one could have changed their ways and thinking, why aren't we protesting Joe Biden? I mean, he is one of the co-sponsors of the Crime Bill of 1994 which instituted the ridiculous sentencing we're hearing complaints about today.

No, we go vote that guy as our next president! lol

But if a group of suspected racists once sang a song we hold dearly, that song must go! lol

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Maybe someone needs to hear this. I attended the same university as many of you. I studied government. Did pretty well. Oh and I’m an African American who went to a predominantly black school. Our teachers were insistent we learn about the 1994 Crime Bill. We learned about the differences in sentencing for something like crack cocaine vs powder cocaine. We learned about mandatory minimals. We also were sure to learn about redlining. Oh and my parents were sure to teach me these things as well. And they were sure to tell me how I needed to be when dealing with certain people. So when a white conservative tries to come at me like I’m not knowledgeable about the issues going on in my community. I can’t respond to such ridiculousness. I don’t need to prove myself to someone who obviously hasn’t really experienced or spoken with people who he’s trying to stat facts about. 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/03/05/joe-biden-tough-on-crime-speech.cnn

Maybe you'll believe your own eyes? lol

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Biden in 1993 speech pushing crime bill warned of 'predators on our streets' who were 'beyond the pale'



(CNN)Joe Biden in a 1993 speech warned of "predators on our streets" who were "beyond the pale" and said they must be cordoned off from the rest of society because the justice system did not know how to rehabilitate them. 
Biden, then chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made the comments on the Senate floor a day before a vote was scheduled on the Senate's version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act.
His central role in shaping and shepherding the tough-on-crime bill will likely face scrutiny in a Democratic primary should he run for president in 2020. His 1993 comments, which were in line with the broad political consensus to tackling crime at the time, are at odds with a new bipartisan coalition of activists and lawmakers who are trying to undo what they say is a legacy of mass incarceration fostered by that era. 
Biden's word choice could also pose a problem with a new generation of Democrats who view the rhetoric at the time as perpetuating harmful myths about the black community.



CNN's KFile came across the 1993 speech during a review of the former vice president's record.

President Bill Clinton in 1994 signed the crime bill into law with broad bipartisan support as violent crime rates peaked in the US in the early 1990s. Included in the law was the federal "three strikes" provision, mandating life sentences for criminals convicted of a violent felony after two or more prior convictions, including drug crimes. 
"We have predators on our streets that society has in fact, in part because of its neglect, created," said Biden, then a fourth-term senator from Delaware so committed to the bill that he has referred to it over the years as "the Biden bill."
"They are beyond the pale many of those people, beyond the pale," Biden continued. "And it's a sad commentary on society. We have no choice but to take them out of society."
In the speech, Biden described a "cadre of young people, tens of thousands of them, born out of wedlock, without parents, without supervision, without any structure, without any conscience developing because they literally ... because they literally have not been socialized, they literally have not had an opportunity." He said, "we should focus on them now" because "if we don't, they will, or a portion of them, will become the predators 15 years from now."
Biden added that he didn't care "why someone is a malefactor in society" and that criminals needed to be "away from my mother, your husband, our families."
Bill Russo, a spokesman for Biden, said high violent crime rates at the time was key context to understanding the bill and that, "Senator-Biden's strong rhetoric" was in response to Republican critiques that past efforts had been too soft on crime.
"Then-Senator Biden was referring specifically to violent crimes in the selected quotes. He was not talking about a kid stealing a candy bar, but someone who committed sexual assault, manslaughter, or murder," Russo told CNN in an email. "In contrast, he says in the same speech that we need a different approach for nonviolent crimes. Specifically, he says we 'need to keep people who are first time offenders, non-violent offenders, or potential first-time offenders who in fact are people getting themselves into the crime stream from the first time -- that they should be diverted from the system.'"
Biden's spokesman added the 1994 crime bill included funding "to keep individuals who committed first-time offenses and non-violent crimes out of prison and instead in treatment and supervision," and that Biden advocated for prevention funding. Russo also pointed to two provisions of the bill that led to Biden's strong support of its passage: bans on high-capacity magazines and assault weapons and the Violence Against Women Act.

Biden's 1993 "predator" remarks are similar to comments made by then-first lady Hillary Clinton in 1996, where she warned of "superpredators" who had "no conscience, no empathy" and who need to be brought "to heel." During the 2016 Democratic primary, Clinton was confronted by Black Lives Matter activistsover her use of the term. Clinton later told the Washington Post: "Looking back, I shouldn't have used those words, and I wouldn't use them today.
Biden defended the 1994 crime law as a whole in a 2016 interview with CNBC, saying, "By and large, what it really did, it restored American cities."
But more recently, at an event talking about criminal justice in January, Biden said, "I haven't always been right. I know we haven't always gotten things right, but I've always tried."
He highlighted his later work with President Barack Obama to address the sentencing disparity for crack versus powder cocaine, saying, "It was a big mistake when it was made," he said at the National Action Network's Martin Luther King Jr. breakfast in Washington. "We thought, we were told by the experts, that crack you never go back, it was somehow fundamentally different. It's not different. But it's trapped an entire generation."
In the decades since it passed, portions of the act have been singled out by critics as contributing to the expansion of mass incarceration, particularly of African Americans. Speaking about mass incarceration in 2015, Bill Clinton said he "signed a bill that made the problem worse, and I want to admit it."
In 1993, Biden spoke to the broad political consensus that had formed around tackling violent crime.
"The consensus is A), we must take back the streets," Biden said, "It doesn't matter whether or not the person that is accosting your son or daughter or my son or daughter, my wife, your husband, my mother, your parents, it doesn't matter whether or not they were deprived as a youth. It doesn't matter whether or not they had no background that enabled them to become socialized into the fabric of society. It doesn't matter whether or not they're the victims of society. The end result is they're about to knock my mother on the head with a lead pipe, shoot my sister, beat up my wife, take on my sons."
Biden added in his speech that rehabilitation could not be a condition for release or sentencing, because the United States criminal justice system didn't know how to rehabilitate offenders.
"I'm the guy that said rehabilitation, when it occurs, we don't understand it and notice it and even when we notice it and we know it occurs, we don't know why," he said. "So you cannot make rehabilitation a condition for release." 
The consensus, Biden again said, was the need to make streets safer. With an impassioned plea, Biden said he did not care what led someone to commit crimes.
"I don't care why someone is a malefactor in society. I don't care why someone is antisocial. I don't care why they've become a sociopath," Biden said. "We have an obligation to cordon them off from the rest of society, try to help them, try to change the behavior. That's what we do in this bill. We have drug treatment and we have other treatments to try to deal with it, but they are in jail."
 
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/biden-1993-speech-predators/index.html