Welcome to the HornSports Forum

By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our Texas Longhorns message board community.

SignUp Now!

Some thoughts following Charlie Strong's Monday presser

I  say there is no way in hell that a respectable school should retain a coach with the 3 year abysmal record that Strong has attained. For the life of me I can't understand what the argument is to keep him. His record should be enough for any fool to understand.
Disagree...regarding Strong, you can look at the rebuild at Louisville and make a case.  And if you don't like that example, you can check out Colorado. Both schools remarkable improvement came in year 4 (why is that?).  Neither are "Texas", I get it, but those are two example that could be used as reasonable baselines for why another year is warranted.  And Louisville, of course, was achieved by Charlie Strong...

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Disagree...regarding Strong, you can look at the rebuild at Louisville and make a case.  And if you don't like that example, you can check out Colorado. Both schools remarkable improvement came in year 4 (why is that?).  Neither are "Texas", I get it, but those are two example that could be used as reasonable baselines for why another year is warranted.  And Louisville, of course, was achieved by Charlie Strong...
I guess no coach should ever, ever be fired, because they might be good some day. Hell. We should have kept John Mackovic too. Strong's record speaks for itself and it sucks big time. Record speaks for itself and people supporting him can live in denial for all I care.

 
Disagree...regarding Strong, you can look at the rebuild at Louisville and make a case.  And if you don't like that example, you can check out Colorado. Both schools remarkable improvement came in year 4 (why is that?).  Neither are "Texas", I get it, but those are two example that could be used as reasonable baselines for why another year is warranted.  And Louisville, of course, was achieved by Charlie Strong...
One can cherry pick examples of coaching changes where programs improved in two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and any number of years. There have been enough examples over the 125 of post-Camp college football there you can find pretty much an example to use as "support" for any argument.

What we know if the the metric for Charlie Strong staying at Texas was the team show "improvement." If you want to call running your feature back 52 times and losing against Kansas "improvement," you certainly convince yourself a game like that is indicative of a team that is playing better and better on a consistent basis.

But using Charlie Strong's record as support for an argument that he should be retained because he is about to do the same thing at Texas is absurd. It is about as valid as saying LSU should hire Les Miles as their coach because he has shown he can win a national championship at LSU. He won one in his third year at LSU, so we should expect him to win a national championship in his third year wherever he is hired (including back at LSU) because if it happened once, it will happen time and time again.

It doesn't work that way. Nothing Charlie Strong did at Louisville should be a factor in deciding whether to fire him or not. The two situations are totally disconnected.

My personal opinion is that Charlie's personality fit well with the mid-major status of Louisville where the media and booster demands were less than at UT. He is somewhat introverted and not suited well to the booster and media demands at Texas. he would MUCH rather be in the coaches offices than dealing with other program demands. At Louisville, he had the time to spend with the players and assistant coaches and wasn't as dependent on his coordinators to entirely run their side of the ball. I don't think Charlie has spent the time in Texas to understand who the young position coaches who also have strong recruiting relationships are and, as a result, he listens to the advice of others and makes mistakes like hiring Jennings. Charlie isn't good at evaluating coordinators.

Charlie has some big time weaknesses that make him a poor fit at a program like Texas. Charlie will never be the right coach for Texas, regardless of what he did in his third or fourth year at Louisville.

 
Charlie has some big time weaknesses that make him a poor fit at a program like Texas. Charlie will never be the right coach for Texas, regardless of what he did in his third or fourth year at Louisville.
giphy.gif


 
I'm not trying to convince you to dislike Herman.  Your mind is made up.

But I could refute your contention by saying Strong had a LOT more experience and his final two years were better than Hermans and against better competition.  In addition, the comparison would be even better if Herman's record could be assessed without Ward.

In fact, that is the word I hear behind the scenes.  Will Herman be just another Strong without Ward?  That is more than just a little concern and a direct result of seeing Strong's failure at UT.
Seriously? The comparison would be better if Herman's record is assessed without Ward? But I guess you don't want to assess Strong's record without Bridgewater. Or whatever the so-called "word I hear behind the scenes" is about. 

And it's certainly debatable that Strong's final two years were better than Herman's and against better competition. If you say otherwise, you are just being unreasonable. 

And, yes, my mind is made up. While there are lots of good choices, there is one obvious, best choice for the next head coach at Texas. 

 
I guess no coach should ever, ever be fired, because they might be good some day. Hell. We should have kept John Mackovic too. Strong's record speaks for itself and it sucks big time. Record speaks for itself and people supporting him can live in denial for all I care.
I've actually said all along that the guy should be given 4 years. And I stand by that for ANY coach coming into college football program. Just because "We're Texas" doesn't automatically exempt us from the struggles that are inherent to other programs undergoing rebuilds. If Strong is actually let go, I completely understand. But giving him another year makes sense to me considering the complete tear down and rebuild he's taken on. I gave examples to show why...
 
One can cherry pick examples of coaching changes where programs improved in two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and any number of years. There have been enough examples over the 125 of post-Camp college football there you can find pretty much an example to use as "support" for any argument.

What we know if the the metric for Charlie Strong staying at Texas was the team show "improvement." If you want to call running your feature back 52 times and losing against Kansas "improvement," you certainly convince yourself a game like that is indicative of a team that is playing better and better on a consistent basis.

But using Charlie Strong's record as support for an argument that he should be retained because he is about to do the same thing at Texas is absurd. It is about as valid as saying LSU should hire Les Miles as their coach because he has shown he can win a national championship at LSU. He won one in his third year at LSU, so we should expect him to win a national championship in his third year wherever he is hired (including back at LSU) because if it happened once, it will happen time and time again.

It doesn't work that way. Nothing Charlie Strong did at Louisville should be a factor in deciding whether to fire him or not. The two situations are totally disconnected.

My personal opinion is that Charlie's personality fit well with the mid-major status of Louisville where the media and booster demands were less than at UT. He is somewhat introverted and not suited well to the booster and media demands at Texas. he would MUCH rather be in the coaches offices than dealing with other program demands. At Louisville, he had the time to spend with the players and assistant coaches and wasn't as dependent on his coordinators to entirely run their side of the ball. I don't think Charlie has spent the time in Texas to understand who the young position coaches who also have strong recruiting relationships are and, as a result, he listens to the advice of others and makes mistakes like hiring Jennings. Charlie isn't good at evaluating coordinators.

Charlie has some big time weaknesses that make him a poor fit at a program like Texas. Charlie will never be the right coach for Texas, regardless of what he did in his third or fourth year at Louisville.
RD, I can understand this non emotional reply and can see your point and am actually inclined to agree for the most part. I used Colorado's turn around simply as an example of what can be achieved with patience and allowing these kids to actually mature. I used UL as an example because 1, Charlie Strong did achieve success and enough success to be hired here and 2, his success proved he could turn a program around...and since he's taken over play calling the defense has improved. So, if I'm looking at this thing objectively, new offense with OC as 1st time play caller with true freshman qb and center. Defense that leads the nation in 2 deep frosh and sophs, over 10 ppg improvement since Strong took over DC, and with a win tomorrow and a bowl win will be 7-6, yes you could frustratingly argue that there has been improvement. Yes, I'm extremely pissed about this season ESPECIALLY Kansas. But again, I've always argued that ANY coach deserves 4 years at a new school. And I'll argue that for Strong or any coach that comes after him...
 
RD, I can understand this non emotional reply and can see your point and am actually inclined to agree for the most part. I used Colorado's turn around simply as an example of what can be achieved with patience and allowing these kids to actually mature. I used UL as an example because 1, Charlie Strong did achieve success and enough success to be hired here and 2, his success proved he could turn a program around...and since he's taken over play calling the defense has improved. So, if I'm looking at this thing objectively, new offense with OC as 1st time play caller with true freshman qb and center. Defense that leads the nation in 2 deep frosh and sophs, over 10 ppg improvement since Strong took over DC, and with a win tomorrow and a bowl win will be 7-6, yes you could frustratingly argue that there has been improvement. Yes, I'm extremely pissed about this season ESPECIALLY Kansas. But again, I've always argued that ANY coach deserves 4 years at a new school. And I'll argue that for Strong or any coach that comes after him...
I agree in principle with year four as the measuring stick for long term success.  Look at year four and you are seeing the coaches very own recruits as the upper classmen.  Then, determine if this is what you want going forward.  I agree in principle, but nobody.... nobody expected Texas to look like this after year three.  We are getting soundly beaten by teams with vastly inferior talent.  Kansas, their little purple cousin and Iowa State all send their coaches to Texas and compete hard against UNT and UTEP for their taste of Texas talent. 

Perhaps CS should be given a year 4.  But it is in the name of fairness and PR.  I don't see how you can view what is run out there on Saturdays and draw confidence that this thing is headed in a positive direction. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I agree in principle with year four as the measuring stick for long term success. Look at year four and you are seeing the coaches very own recruits as the upper classmen. Then, determine if this is what you want going forward. I agree in principle, but nobody.... nobody expected Texas to look like this after year three. We are getting soundly beaten by teams with vastly inferior talent. Kansas, their little purple cousin and Iowa State all send their coaches to Texas and compete hard against UNT and UTEP for their taste of Texas talent.

Perhaps CS should be given a year 4. But it is in the name of fairness and PR. I don't see how you can view what is run out there on Saturdays and draw confidence that this thing is headed in a positive direction.
Idk 83, I guess my expectations for the season weren't as lofty as the majority. Even after Notre Dame, I didn't expect us to reel off 11 straight wins. I thought that we'd be 7-5, 8-4...so yes 6-6 (possibly) is a disappointment for me. I think it was Bill Parells who said "you are what your record says you are". And our record is about what I expected it to be. I'll admit that after ND and even Baylor, my expectations were raised a bit, but like ys all I was brought back down to earth. With the talent we do have tho, I do expect this team to win no less than 9 games next year and compete for the conference championship. And if Strong is the coach, there are absolutely zero excuses for anything less. I'm willing to afford him the chance to finish what he started at least thru 4 years. If he doesn't, replace him. And I'll root on the next guy for the next 4 years...
 
Strong's record is all the proof needed to show that he is indeed the worst coach in UT football history. Another year is ridiculous. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. If winning half of your games each season is acceptable, I just don't know what to say to the apologists.

 
Strong's record is all the proof needed to show that he is indeed the worst coach in UT football history. Another year is ridiculous. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. If winning half of your games each season is acceptable, I just don't know what to say to the apologists.
So, according to your logic, that if he returns next season it's not possible for him to win 10+ games and not be the worst coach in UT history? I'm just asking because your crystal ball is a lot clearer than mine; which can't see past what I'm writing on this post
 
So, according to your logic, that if he returns next season it's not possible for him to win 10+ games and not be the worst coach in UT history? I'm just asking because your crystal ball is a lot clearer than mine; which can't see past what I'm writing on this post
Good grief. Yeah, and I might win the lottery if I play enough. You'll never get it, so just forget it.  

 
Good grief. Yeah, and I might win the lottery if I play enough. You'll never get it, so just forget it.
You'd probably have to play more than 3 years. Lol! I'm just joking bro; seriously. Let's do our best to enjoy Strong's final game. And from the looks of it, I'll be drinking to much! Take care and be blessed! Hook Em! \\m//
 
Back
Top Bottom