Who cares about the rest of the Big 12

[tejasrulz]

nothing like riding in the elevator with 3 aggies after a UT loss and aggy win...

Just congratulate them and say "Way to beat those Alabama boys!" They wont know how to act. Besides the truth is, they're still aggy and you're not.

 

[celliot]

I'm rooting for tOSU over ou. If you're not, please de-friend me or whatever this site does which equals that.

This was my sentiment to a T. I DON'T DO CONFERENCE PRIDE. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

This was my sentiment to a T. I DON'T DO CONFERENCE PRIDE. 

"Conference Pride" is what the hangers-on, also-rans, and wannabes do in the SEC while rooting for Bama.

Not my style

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

"Conference Pride" is what the hangers-on, also-rans, and wannabe do in the SEC while rooting for Bama.

Not my style

Seems to be lots Texas fans here love them some Big 12. LOL

 

[Rotty22]

Seems to be lots Texas fans here love them some Big 12. LOL

absolutely.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

This was my sentiment to a T. I DON'T DO CONFERENCE PRIDE. 

Why would conference pride apply to OU? My God, I hope OU loses to the airlines that flies them to away games. I hope they lose to the hotel where they stay. I hope they lose in everything they ever attempt to do – except get to Dallas once a year.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Seems to be lots Texas fans here love them some Big 12. LOL

Oh yeah, LOL, . . so far in this thread you've had one person speak up. Me. And I only did so because this bizarre tough guy act is just stupid.

But by all means, carry on. Its easy to win wars where you have no enemy. lol

 

[mctmatt]

So long as you have the present day Playoff format with a Committee selecting 4 teams then you will benefit most from having a strong conference. The more ranked teams in your conference the stronger your strength of schedule becomes and as you beat those ranked conference opponents the stronger your ranking and playoff chances become. That is what the Committee looks at plane and simple and they tell us this every year since this has begun. Ask Coach Strong, Perrin , anyone in the Texas Athletic program do you want the Big 12 to be a strong conference and does it benefit Texas when our conference opponents beat other teams outside of the conference. The Big 12 is the weakest conference of all the power five right now. Texas could go undefeated for the rest of the season but would not get a whiff at playoff spot because Baylor is the only team in the Big 12 that is in the top 20 . There is not a team we will play for the rest of the season other than Baylor that strengthens our schedule especially with Notre Dame having such a grand season. Many of you would require a Texas team to go undefeated every year to qualify for the playoffs because you want our conference opponents to lose every game. Even going undefeated in that scenario would probably leave us out of the mix unless at least one other team or two other teams in our conference are ranked in the top 15 and one at least being ranked 7 or higher. So many are downing conference pride but conference pride gets you National Championships and higher TV payouts. Can anyone prove that strength of schedule has no connection with the current playoff selection! If Texas just takes care of business they will still be judged by there strenght of schedule and that is why you need and should want a strong Big 12 conference because doing so supports Texas Longhorns just ask any Coach on the staff, any player, and anyone in the Athletic Department.  I for one would like Mike Roach to step out of the shadow on this one and tell us where he stands on this issue. 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Oh yeah, LOL, . . so far in this thread you've had one person speak up. Me. And I only did so because this bizarre tough guy act is just stupid.

But by all means, carry on. Its easy to win wars where you have no enemy. lol

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

So long as you have the present day Playoff format with a Committee selecting 4 teams then you will benefit most from having a strong conference. The more ranked teams in your conference the stronger your strength of schedule becomes and as you beat those ranked conference opponents the stronger your ranking and playoff chances become. That is what the Committee looks at plane and simple and they tell us this every year since this has begun. Ask Coach Strong, Perrin , anyone in the Texas Athletic program do you want the Big 12 to be a strong conference and does it benefit Texas when our conference opponents beat other teams outside of the conference. The Big 12 is the weakest conference of all the power five right now. Texas could go undefeated for the rest of the season but would not get a whiff at playoff spot because Baylor is the only team in the Big 12 that is in the top 20 . There is not a team we will play for the rest of the season other than Baylor that strengthens our schedule especially with Notre Dame having such a grand season. Many of you would require a Texas team to go undefeated every year to qualify for the playoffs because you want our conference opponents to lose every game. Even going undefeated in that scenario would probably leave us out of the mix unless at least one other team or two other teams in our conference are ranked in the top 15 and one at least being ranked 7 or higher. So many are downing conference pride but conference pride gets you National Championships and higher TV payouts. Can anyone prove that strength of schedule has no connection with the current playoff selection! If Texas just takes care of business they will still be judged by there strenght of schedule and that is why you need and should want a strong Big 12 conference because doing so supports Texas Longhorns just ask any Coach on the staff, any player, and anyone in the Athletic Department.  I for one would like Mike Roach to step out of the shadow on this one and tell us where he stands on this issue. 

I respect your opinion but for me I simply do not care about any other team in the Big 12. They all hate my university and want it to fail not just in sports but in all areas. So again I get your points but my opinion goes well beyond sports. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I respect your opinion but for me I simply do not care about any other team in the Big 12. They all hate my university and want it to fail not just in sports but in all areas. So again I get your points but my opinion goes well beyond sports. 

But it defies logic, as mcmatt so carefully laid out. There is no conference in college football where every team doesn't hate every team. But there is an inherent need for each other, which mcmatt went into.

By your logic, we'd be better off in the MAC, where maybe they'll be so glad we're there that they'll throw rose petals at us when we play in their stadiums. But we'll never get to a CFP that way.

I have no special affection for Tech, but I have lots of friends who are Tech grads and we verbally joust when the weekend comes. Same goes for Baylor and TCU. Its fun. And maybe they do hate UT, but they like us, individually. And I'm ok with that.

I'd really like to understand you better here. Perhaps you could elaborate on the part where you said it goes beyond sports?

 

[North Texas Golfer]

One of the reasons for why I always thought we should want to be in a strong conference is that you will have more "interesting" home games which will equal better attendance. 

But what do know. 

 

[celliot]

But it defies logic, as mcmatt so carefully laid out. There is no conference in college football where every team doesn't hate every team. But there is an inherent need for each other, which mcmatt went into.

By your logic, we'd be better off in the MAC, where maybe they'll be so glad we're there that they'll throw rose petals at us when we play in their stadiums. But we'll never get to a CFP that way.

I have no special affection for Tech, but I have lots of friends who are Tech grads and we verbally joust when the weekend comes. Same goes for Baylor and TCU. Its fun. And maybe they do hate UT, but they like us, individually. And I'm ok with that.

I'd really like to understand you better here. Perhaps you could elaborate on the part where you said it goes beyond sports?

I understand the simple facts of "if you have 4 ranked teams in your conference and you have beat each of those teams you have a great chance to make/are probably in the playoff." That is very true, for TCU, and Baylor, and Ok State, and West Virginia. And it's just as true for Iowa, Wisconsin, UCLA, Arizona State, North Carolina, Virginia Tech and every other school like them. Schools that have flash-in-the-pan success for 2-3-4 consistent years, then sink back to mediocrity and reemerge a year or two later to make the same run. 

That logic does not apply to Texas. OU. USC. Michigan. Ohio State. Florida State. Florida. etc. The argument is not that your very valid point is wrong. The argument is, I don't care about conference pride because Texas fans don't have to. Just as the other teams I mentioned, their fans don't either. Brand matters in college football. 1-loss Texas (just saying) vs. 1- loss Louisville, who's going to get the nod for a new year's six bowl? That's not even a question, let alone a debate. 1-loss Ohio State vs. 1-loss Baylor, who's going to get that nod? That's my point. All the middle of the road, just on the cusp of really breaking through type of schools, let them have their conference pride and compare wins and losses. Texas fans should always know, go undefeated is best, yes, but if Texas can come away with one loss -- out or in conference -- by the end of the season, the chances that Texas gets the nod over another one loss school that isn't in the same category is always going to be extremely high. 

Brand matters. Brand outweighs conference weakness. Texas is a brand name in college football. At the end of the day, bowl season is a business. I'm not suggesting a 2-loss Texas team jumps a 1-loss, or undefeated team, for a new year's six bowl. I'm just saying what it is, Texas is one of a handful of schools that doesn't have to give a walking, sitting, running, flying, jumping mother F about conference strength. It stands on its own two legs, 

Brand > strength of conference. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Brand > strength of conference. 

Exactly

Why any Texas-Exes or fans are whining about "how weak the Big 12 is" when UT hasn't sniffed a league title in 7 years is beyond me. We take care of business, we're in the mix - even with 1 loss. UT is one of the bluebloods who drive TV ratings.

Let aggy whine about how much harder it is in the SEC while finishing 4th in their division every year. That's what B-Listers do.

 

[Rotty22]

 1-loss Texas (just saying) vs. 1- loss Louisville, who's going to get the nod for a new year's six bowl? That's not even a question, let alone a debate.

Brand > strength of conference. 

1. i disagree.  louisville's qb is in the heisman conversation.  assuming that the big12 conference is no better than the acc, i don't believe this to be a slam dunk for the Horns.  now, with the big12 as a stronger conference, then i agree, it's not even a question.

2. i wonder if the committee will consider brand over SOS?  it sounds like there are some here that believe brand over SOS, but i don't think you have a vote.  but your opinion is noted.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

1. i disagree.  louisville's qb is in the heisman conversation.  assuming that the big12 conference is no better than the acc, i don't believe this to be a slam dunk for the Horns.  now, with the big12 as a stronger conference, then i agree, it's not even a question.

2. i wonder if the committee will consider brand over SOS?  it sounds like there are some here that believe brand over SOS, but i don't think you have a vote.  but your opinion is noted.

As is yours.

Why, pray tell, did tOSU leap-frog both TCU and Baylor in the polls in 2014? Was the B1G considered a much stronger league than the Big12 that year? SOS can be manipulated and spun to fit the narrative. Humans input the data.

Is it possible that a 1-loss Louisville finishes ahead of 1-loss Texas in the CFB Playoff rankings? I suppose, but my assertion is it's highly unlikely. My guess is TV executives will find a magical way to rank UT ahead of L'Ville.

But, I doubt we'll get to test that hypothesis this season.

 

[celliot]

1. i disagree.  louisville's qb is in the heisman conversation.  assuming that the big12 conference is no better than the acc, i don't believe this to be a slam dunk for the Horns.  now, with the big12 as a stronger conference, then i agree, it's not even a question.

2. i wonder if the committee will consider brand over SOS?  it sounds like there are some here that believe brand over SOS, but i don't think you have a vote.  but your opinion is noted.

Ok. But do you think people want to see 1-loss Louisville V. Michigan? Or do you think people would want to see 1-loss Texas V. Michigan? Etc. There is such a thirst among those in the media for Texas to be back in the mix, prominent once again, that my argument -- I suppose -- is centered around: what is the bigger draw? Both in the stands and on TV? First of all, I think Texas wins that which-one-loss-team-is-in debate when the program is having success on a year in and year out basis ('04, '05 and '08, '09 for example). So, that's not my angle. What I'm saying is, this year -- and maybe/probably even next year-- if you have a Texas team with dare we say one loss in this 5- to 6 one-loss team debate, you're putting that desire, or thirst, to the test and telling me Texas, the story of the rise from the ashes, a blueblood program's trials and tribulations behind it, etc. wouldn't be picked out of that handful of teams for a NY6 bowl? There's no way Texas is snubbed if we are talking about one-loss Louisvilles, UCLAs and Michigan States of the college football landscape. 

2012 was a taste of what I'm talking about. Sweet baby Jesus. How many games did Notre Dame BARELY WIN during its undefeated season? But the conversation was 'but the Irish took care of business. Each game won was a win. They took care of business' -- which only happened because IT WAS A BRAND LIKE NOTRE DAME (Sorry for yelling). Media didn't sit there, voters especially, and debate why ND shouldn't be in the title game because it barely beat weak opponents, etc. The convo was almost a defense for Notre Dame -- which was back in BCS convo for the first time in 6 years at that time.

So, people aren't going to look at the Big 12 "wait a minute, before we just take this 1-loss Texas team at face value, lets go through the entire Big 12 conference and find a reason why it shouldn't be in." No. It will be "Look, you can argue this one loss was a bad loss, at a 6-6 Cal team, but Texas was young, and it was early in the season." People see "Texas" and nothing else. If anything, the squeak-by wins will be attributed to "that's what happens in the Big 12. Regardless of records, most of these kids in this region grew up playing one another, some kids wanted to go to Texas but didn't get offered. There's always added motivation when playing Texas". and the one-loss will be given the aforementioned rational. 

College football is better when Texas is good. Not even great. Just good. Horns get the nod in these situations every time. I promise you this. When it comes to a bad Big 12, note how the media will always make it a glass-half-empty situation for Baylor and TCU "man, they were hurt by not having a conference championship game" Both TCU and Baylor snubbed from the playoff. But it's a glass-half-full situation for OU and Texas. "Some say a very bad Texas team beat OU, but that's just THAT rivalry, man!" OU, not playing the almighty 'conference championship game' gets in the College Football Playoff, with one loss, a year after TCU and Baylor got snubbed. Case and point. The powers that be don't care about the conference any more than I do. They just want OU and Texas to be in or near the conversation. 

 

[texasdalton]

Wasnt Oklahoma in the playoffs last year with one loss. Big12 wasnt that great. Oklahoma is a brand but nothing compared to our brand.

This is all irrelevant due to the fact that Oklahoma rumor is that they ate blocking teams from joining because they plan on leaving the conference

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

...do you think people want to see 1-loss Louisville V. Michigan? Or do you think people would want to see 1-loss Texas V. Michigan? 

College football is better when Texas is good. Not even great. Just good. Horns get the nod in these situations every time. 

This was already proven back in 2004 when the BcS gave UT the nod over Cal for the Rose Bowl bid.

"Ain't nothin' personal, just bidness" - TV executives  \m/

 

[Embrey]

Well ladies I love the BIG XII. I bleed TCU. I love UT. Tech is my 3rd favorite team in the NCAA. I respect OU. I admire W Va and KSU. I would like to see Kansas and Iowa State do well.

My exceptions: I don't care for OSU. Baylor delenda est.

Further, I want UH in the conference and I wouldn't cry if Aggie came back some day.