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  1. Some things that stuck out to me . . . 1. Neither team had a turnover, whether it be fumble or interception. Thats wild, IMO. 2. Total yards was as close as the score. 374 for Bama, 371 for Texas. 3. Bama had 161 yards rushing, but 80 of that came on one play and was not indicative of their overall success (or lack of) on the ground. 4. Bama dominated the game in penalties, which surprised me. I thought we'd be the team with penalty issues, being young and all. But Bama had 15 for 100 while we had 5 for 30. Not too shabby. 5. We won the time of possession by a full minute. 30-29. 6. About 3-4 Bama players were celebrating by doing the Horns down when the gun sounded and players were coming onto the field. A video I saw on TikTok showed Saban yelling at them to cut that shit out. I respect him for that.
    12 points
  2. We should have won this game, period. Anyone that doesn’t believe this team is headed in the right direction and getting there quickly is wrong. The game atmosphere and the way our football team played is EXACTLY what we needed in recruiting.
    12 points
  3. 1. Bama did not expose us as much as we exposed them....I expect Bama to lose again at least once.....just not to aggy.... 2.Our team is well coached. We got very few penalties and were never drawn off side 3.Ewers is better than I ever hoped 4. Jeff Howe can be trusted. He said we would have a good defense and we do. 5.Johnny Depp knows very little about the game. 6.I am mad as hell that we did not win.I dont give a crap about beating the point spread. I take no moral victory in this terrible loss. 7.SECSECSEC refs screw us less than Big 12 refs, but they still screw us 8.The Bama secondary is taught to hold and interfere on every play......because it works. 9. I am pissed off to the highest extent of pisstivity!
    11 points
  4. Sark: You gave us quit a scare. Great game plan Traylor: Ya, we knew we needed to come out fast and try to sustain it. That Bijan kid is a stud. Sark: Your QB gave us fits. Talk about a stud. Traylor: He is the motor to our team. Things have changed a bit since I was here. The atmosphere sure is different. Sark: CDC is doing great things, how did they let you go? Traylor: The other guy was a jerk. Sark: I've heard that. BTW, looks like the Big 12 is looking for more schools, maybe you guys should apply. Traylor: That's a great idea. Think aggie will appeal to the NCAA about a UT in the SEC and the Big 12? Sark: Not sure but its 9:33 and OU still sucks. Not direct quotes but you get the idea.
    11 points
  5. I actually love that response. That is full Saban mode right there
    11 points
  6. Got overlooked? In what way? He was a freshman who didn't have his head screwed on straight. Apparently he locked in this offseason and that 5 star talent is shining. He wasn't ready for the show last season and trying to put that blame on Sark is ignorant.
    11 points
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    10 points
  8. doc longhorn

    Rochon or Wright?

    Card doesn't have a high ankle sprain. If he did, he would be in a cast, and he sure wouldn't have played three quarters of a game. IMO, he starts against UTSA.
    10 points
  9. Supposedly Kelvin Banks has played 71 pass blocking snaps and only given up one pressure. I think that's per On3. Regardless, that's outstanding especially after playing Bama.
    10 points
  10. I'm proud of the effort we had, across the board. I said before the game, one of the keys would be coming out with no injuries. I hope the Ewers prognosis is minor. Nobody on this board predicted this game. The line was what? 25 pts? We almost pulled it off. Regardless, I think its safe to say we no longer suck.
    10 points
  11. View from the Cheap Seats-Louisiana Monroe 130 Years of TEXAS football The season is finally here and TEXAS, lead by Steve Sarkisian tees up TEXAS’ 130th season of College Football. TEXAS enters the season ranked #6 in the Nation on the All Time wins list. Sadly we were ranked #4 when Mack Brown left. Coach Sark certainly fixing the talent issues, bringing in a #16 recruiting class his 1st year, #5 ranked class his second and currently sitting at #5. These classes include 2 QBs each ranked #1 in the nation along with arguably 14 of the best offensive linemen ever recruited on the 40 acres. Before we jump into the Horns game, a word about week 1 and some great matchups. There was some amazing College Football which is the best sport in the world. The Fighting Mack Brown's went on a 35-0 run against Appalachian State to take what appeared a game winning lead only to see a 62 point 4th quarter where UNC hung on by the skin of their teeth. Other great games included tOSU opening with Norte Dame as Marcus Freeman returns home in his ND coaching debut only to lose 21-10. West Virginia faced ranked Pitt in what may have been the best opening game. Florida used 2 goal line stands to blunt Utah's efforts. Watch out SEC East, Richardson is the real deal at QB. #13 UNCSt survived a game winning missed FG vs East Carolina. In the clunker of the "big games", Georgia showed Oregon they are not ready for prime time. The Sunday night game featured an amazing finish by LSU against FSU, ending with the 2nd blocked kick of the night by FSU ending LSU's upset bid. It was a great Saturday of channel surfing. Back to the Horns. Let’s face it, this game amounts to a controlled scrimmage against a D 1 tomato can. Though a controlled scrimmage is important as QB1 Quinn ‘hasn’t thrown a game pass in 2 season’ Ewers needs all the reps he can get. And Quinn delivered the type of game one expects from a guy who hasn’t thrown a real pass in two years, great at times and rusty in others. This is why you schedule tomato cans. The low light, on his 2nd pass as a Longhorn, Quinn forced a poor pass into double coverage to see his first INT. The highlight of the evening was the Ja’Tavion Sanders break out party. It was clear that Quinn has found a friend on the team, a very talented friend who after not recording a catch in 2021, broke out vs Louisiana Monroe in 2022 with 6 catches for 85 yards and a TD. 5 of those 6 catches were for 1st downs or a TD and 2 were 4th down conversions. TEXAS fans know the value of a great QB/TE relationship and very early indications are that Mr Sanders came ready to play this season. His break out becomes more important as it was announced that Bama transfer Jahleel Billingsly will be suspended for 6 games due to infractions committed at Bama so he will miss half the season. Gunner Helm/Juan Davis, you are up. Hard to call a night where he logged 113 yards from scrimmage and 2 TDs quiet, but BiJan Robinson’s Heisman campaign kicked off quietly. If by “quiet” you mean averaging 7 yards a tote quiet. He had one play that highlighted his amazing ability where on an inside zone, he made a quick move in tight space, you could see the DBs ankles seem to break as he sped past the hapless defender on the way to 6 more yards. Classic BiJan, barring injury, he should finish his TEXAS career easily one of the Top 5 RBs in TEXAS history. He is an amazing combination of power, pass catching and elusiveness on his way to being the highest drafted RB by the NFL in years. Defense was not about to be outdone and featured both a name we know and a couple of new players. Now temper the enthusiasm as we have little doubt TEXAS could have lined up it’s 2nd team and beaten tonight’s tomato can but several things stood out. First and foremost, TEXAS tackled well and seemed to be playing much more disciplined assignment football. DeMarvion Overshown picked up where he left off from last year and was in beast mode. 6 tackles, 2 tackles for loss recorded and he seemed all over the field. Joining him was Barryn Sorrel who recorded a sack and a half and 2 more TFL. New faces who showed up from the secondary were transfer Ryan Watts (TFL) though we thought he had a Pass Break up but not officially and true freshman Jaylon Guilbeau. All 3 were new starters from last year’s KSU game. Stop me if you have heard this before, DeShawn Jamison took a KO/Punt/INT to the house. This time a pick 6 to go with his 1st quarter punt block leading to a Keillen Robinson scoop and score. Special teams were very much a mixed bag. Xaiver Worthy is now returning punts and you saw why when he took one punt back 21 yards. Bert “world’s record fro” Auburn connected on a 41 yard FG but his 38 yard try saw new punter Issac Pearson fumble the snap. It would be Issac’s 2nd miss handle as he dropped his 1st punt attempt but managed to escape the rush to get off a 15 yarder. Daniel Trejo handled the 2nd punt attempt recording a 40 yarder. We call them as we see them, special teams has us nervous. Overall As we said, you can’t tell much beating up a tomato can. This was a controlled scrimmage for all practical purposes. We needed it. After Sark bragging about Quinn’s deep ball ability, he badly overthrew 3 deep ball chances. On the plus side, his short and intermediate throws were much better than his deep balls and we though Quinn went through his projections well. Defense held La Monroe to 2.2 yards per rush. #1 positive, no injuries but did anyone else suck in hard when Kelvin Banks left the game? Fortunately for only 1 play. #2 positive, lots of young players received reps. Offensive Player of the Game Ja’Tavion Sanders gets the nod just barely over BiJan with his break out performance where he established himself as Quinn’s new best friend. 6 receptions, 85 yards 1 TD (all but one for a 1st down or TD) Honorable mention: BiJan 7 yards per carry, 2 TDs on what seemed a “quiet” night for him Defensive Player of the Game DeMarvion Overshown for his beast mode game with some love for DeShawn Jamison with his punt block and pick 6. Barryl Sorrell needs some honorable mention love too Stats that Matter 3 3 4th down conversions 5-25 We did not like 5 penalties but an improvement from last year and all of the 5 yard variety 5-6 Red Zone scoring, 4 TDs 1 FG (we didn’t count the punt block). Missed FG outside the Red Zone 130 130th season of TEXAS football On Deck The most anticipated home game since Norte Dame came calling, TEXAS faces Alabama with their Heisman QB and a defensive lineman who Is a Top 3 NFL pick in the spring trying to lead their team back to a National Title. We would love to blow some smoke at our readers backsides but there is literally not one match up where the Horns have an advantage. Nick “Satan” Saban has simply stockpiled too much experienced talent. A page Sark is working on but today we are still 2-3 years away from this level of competition. On the plus side, this is a very young team and young teams grow. State of the BigXII Other than West Virginia, the BigXII opened with a slate of tomato cans. Even Kansas beat up their tomato can. Oklahoma State did get into a bit of a shoot out with a quality Central Michigan club and WVU opened with ranked Pitt, had the only loss in of the BigXII but against a quality opponent. Baylor, OU and OSU appear the class of the conference, for now. TEXAS is in a pack of teams today in the 2nd tier. Might take another week or two before we are comfortable actually ranking teams. Game highlights [MEDIA=youtube]nxF8WoTK9HI[/MEDIA]
    10 points
  12. A&M player flopped thinking a Miami player threw him down. It was the ref.
    9 points
  13. My thoughts on the game – – I like that we stuck with the run, even when it wasn't working. Just keep feeding Bijan and Roschon baby. It will eventually break loose. And it did. – We're going to be scary good when Ewers returns. The long pass was literally not in this game plan. And UTSA game planned it daring us to throw long. So they flooded the zone and stopped the run for a while. – Whittington was very useful tonight, coming through when he was needed. – Bijan. Dayum, what do you even say? I don't know final stats but he was up over 150 yards last I looked. – OL had a rough start but finished strong. Must have been a Bama hangover. – Watts did not have that good of a game. – Coburn was a man child out there, stuffing several runs. Sorrell had a couple of plays but went awol at times. – The improvement of our depth by Sark and staff has become evident in the last two games. We don't suffer quality too much when the second guy is in there. – The difference in this game this year and this game last year – we finished. – Sark had a good game plan and stuck to it, didn't get rattled when things didn't go our way. It paid off. – Overshown is a real weapon in crucial situations. He just seems to rise to the occasion. Give him a game ball. He and Jahdae Barron get my defensive game balls. – Offensively, game balls to Bijan, Roschon and Whit. – The call on Overshown for targeting was BS.
    9 points
  14. A+ sign at College Gameday this morning.
    9 points
  15. We are at the precipice of a major shift in the Texas - Texas A&M landscape. We have been here before, Texas seemingly on the upswing while A&M struggles but things have never quite panned out how we have hoped. A&M has a tough stretch coming up, 5 of their next 7 in the top 25, the two that are not include road trips to Miss St and S Carolina. Do they rebound and pull off some quality wins or do they crater and end this stretch with 5 or 6 losses on their record? If they stay under .500 winning percentage, things are going to really start to fall apart in college station. Texas just played one of their best games - and encouragingly looked solid in the trenches on both sides. Defensive and Line play travel and can be a consistent edge for this season. Texas has a very good shot at 9-10 wins, conference championship, etc. Questions at QB linger and the next 2-4 weeks could derail things but there is a lot to be hopeful about this team. A aggy team 5-7 in the 5th year of Jimbo, anchored by the huge contract along with a 10 win high flying, exciting Sark offense and PK defense could really swing the pendulum back to Austin as we prep for the SEC move in 1-2 years. Time will tell how things play out but I am anxiously excited to watch.
    9 points
  16. I'm wondering how bad it would have to get for the Ags to pull a Tennessee where their own people start leaking all of the cheating they did to sign the '22 class that way they can fire Jimbo for cause and get him out along with their AD Bjork. As wild as that sounds, keep in mind these are the people who caught wind of OU and Texas joining the SEC and were absolutely hellbent on using the media to stop it even though the conference wanted to keep it confidential. Bottom line...this whole operation is a used car salesman facade and people are figuring out reasons why Florida State didn't fight to keep Jimbo.
    9 points
  17. I’m not dismissing or downplaying the Patterson affect as he is a proven defensive guru but it seems like Coach K is getting little to no credit for yesterday. He (Coach K) had a pretty successful run before last year as well. Maybe having better players and attitudes made a significant difference. With the 4 game redshirt rule (I think it’s still a thing), why not get Malik ready and see what he can do the next couple weeks? If Card is limited or can’t go I mean.
    9 points
  18. This game will tell us nothing. The other 10 games will tell us if the team is making progress. Let's beat the bad Big 12 teams before we we get consumed about competing with elite teams. Hell lets beat Kansas first.
    9 points
  19. Fear not, oldhorn. Ewers throws it on a rope wherever he is wants it to go. The people criticizing him think they are John Elway…not! He makes decisions quickly. He is going to make a mistake or two, but show me one who doesn’t. I don’t care who we just played, this team is improved. Players were moved around, and I think there are some very positive changes. Hook ‘em!
    9 points
  20. Bijan is special.
    9 points
  21. not sure about 6 years but it it is definitely more than 3. I think Sark knows the game is won and lost in the lines and it will take time to recruit and train OL and DL. I truly believe once we get a dominating OL and/or DL, games like last week will be few and far between.
    8 points
  22. So you're saying that it still could be directed toward me
    8 points
  23. View from the Cheap Seats-UTSA Beep Beep Tale of two halves Clearly a tale of two halves. UTSA outplayed TEXAS in the 1st half. Plain and simple. The Roadrunners are not as talented as TEXAS but they wanted it more, played better fundamental football and executed far better. And make no mistake, this is a talented well coached team. This was also a game TEXAS would have lost last year. This is not the same TEXAS team. The Horns did not play with the Bama level of intensity. This team was eating the poison cheese. A reference to a Mack warning that he got from Bill Parcells. DKR would have called it reading your press clippings. Lots of coaching points to clean up as we enter BigXII play. Penalties, miss tackles and blown assignments all re-reared their ugly heads. Those have to be fixed. Our defensive line largely got outplayed till late in the game. Those are the negatives. The positives, #1 this team continued to battle, they continued to make plays, outscoring UTSA 24-3 in the 2nd half. Granted, aided by a bit of luck. UTSA’s nation leading in total offense QB Frank Harris threw one bad pass all night, which TEXAS turned into a pick 6 late in the 3rd quarter which was likely the turning point of the game. At the time, TEXAS nursing a 24-20 lead. UTSA was fighting back, 4th and 1, Harris with a perfect slant pass to his top WR who turns his head up field too quickly, takes his eyes off the ball and drops it. TEXAS just kept grinding, leaning on BiJan Robinson’s 1st 100 yard game in the last 5 and RoShon continuing his self-less play including a highlight hurdle. While Hudson Card did not have a sterling night, the gimpy dual threat QB turned 1st and 20 into a 1st down off a 32 yard run. Good news for the Horns, they don’t have to face 5th year senior Frank Harris again. Bad news, Oklahoma has a very good dual threat QB as well. Game changing sequence. UTSA deferred the coin flip and took the ball in the 2nd half. They opened the game with 2 long sustained drives, 20 plays 74 yards and 10 plays 65 yards which accounted for 10 points then fooled TEXAS badly with an on side kick they recovered and used a double pass for their final TD of the game. TEXAS’ D had not stopped their offense in the 2nd half to this point and now were faced with UTSA having the ball with time to score before half-time then facing their offense again to start the 2nd half. The D bowed up, forced 3 straight punts, 2 to start the 2nd half then gave up a long drive but held the birds to just a FG. That FG would be their only 2nd half points. On UTSA’s next offensive series, Jahdae Barron would take what seemed to be Frank Harris’ only bad pass to the house with a pick 6 which also marked TEXAS only turnover in the past two games. While TEXAS fans were still scarred by last year's 2nd half meltdowns, this would be the final straw in the game. Offensive player of the game BiJan turned in a Heisman worthy performance logging 183 yards rushing, with 3 TDs to go with a 19 yard catch and run that left a trail of broken ankles in his wake. He also recorded his longest run of his career, with a 78 yarder where he cut back against the grain behind a terrific seal block from Travion Sanders. While Sanders only logged 1 6 yard catch, he was spotted frequently throwing key blocks. Honorable mention: RoShon Johnson 11 carries, 81 yards with 3 receptions and a TD. Defensive player of the game: Jahdae Barron He added 6 total tackles to his pick 6 but the pick 6 at the end of the 3rd quarter was key to victory Honorable Mention: Would have been new dad DeMarvion Overshawn but his maybe/maybe not targeting negated TEXAS’ sole sack of the game. He added a pass break up and half a tackle for loss. Stats that matter 4-11 TEXAS on 3rd down, not getting it done 9 Penalties on TEXAS, 4 created 1st downs for UTSA, not good enough, some really dumb 17 TEXAS’ D average points allowed through 3 games, that’s getting it done. Last year, 31 ppg 2-3 Red Zone TDs. Better than last week, other was a FG 0 Sacks by TEXAS. Should have been 1, still not sure Overshawn targeted Harris. Still, not good enough. And this against a patch work OL featuring a walk on Conclusions Sark has shown this year he is better in the 2nd half than he showed last year. This was a big coaching challenge, after the 1st half, we’ll make no bones, we were concerned. While the 1st 30 weren’t impressive, football is a 60 minute game and judged at the end of 60 not the end of 30. The defense? Lots of “coachable moments” on that side of the ball. Too many blown tackles (7-10 at least), too many mistakes. Sorrell’s roughing the passer penalty was pure bone head which kept their drive alive. But the key is that this is not last year’s TEXAS team. This is a team that is learning to play 2nd half football. The offense stepped up in a big way while the D bent but didn’t break. A 24-3 2nd half will win you lots of games. One nitpick, Card still in the game with 8 minutes to go. Should have pulled him since we were just handing off anyway. Or said more simply, nicer to win ugly than lose pretty and at the end of the night, Sark's young charges got the job done with a great 2nd half. On Deck The dreaded road trip to tortilla slinging Texas Tech. Texas Tech played fairly well in losing to North Carolina State on the road. NCSt is in the mix for their division in the ACC so a good test. Stop us if you have heard this before but TEXAS traveling to Lubbock is Tech’s biggest game of the year. No offense, Card played with heart but we’re really hoping that Ewers is ready for WVU after Tech. Would be nice to see him get a tune up game before OU. Sam Acho Props to Sam Acho for being inducted into the TEXAS Hall of Honor for his contributions on the field, in the classroom and in the community. One of 2 TEXAS players to win the coveted Campbell Award for his work in all 3 areas. Often called the Academic Heisman. Nice video tribute from Mack Brown. Full Disclosure I am a UTSA grad. Never made any secret about it though some people are bothered by it. I had the foolish notion coming out of high school I could play college ball so I enrolled in tiny Texas Lutheran. That dream lasted about 15 minutes and my only contribution to the program was helping a couple of players through a few classes. I had the choice of Austin and the University of TEXAS or UTSA. The catch was I was working my way through college and had a good job in SA and no jobs in Austin. I’ve never regrated the call. It allowed me to be elected to student government and to be the 1st Marine officer commissioned from UTSA. So I confess it was bitter sweet watching UTSA outplay TEXAS in the 1st half. OTOH, the 1st TEXAS game I watched was 6 Dec 1969. Older fans and history buffs will recall the game, the Great Shootout where TEXAS earned the National Title against Arkansas. Been a TEXAS fan ever since. Ranking the BigXII #1 Oklahoma Their QB concerns me and their defense plays fast. They crushed potentially the worst Nebraska team in 50 years #2a Baylor shook off a tough loss to BYU to pummel a 2nd tier tomato can 2b OSU Beat up a tomato can 2c TEXAS beat one of the better 2nd tier teams after an ugly 1st half 2d Iowa State Pummelled a weak 2nd tier team (seems to be a theme this week) 6 Kansas Don’t look now, they beat a team ranked through week 2, 3 and 0 7 Texas Tech Lost to NCSt, will be sky high for TEXAS coming to town. 8 TCU Bye week 9 WVU Beat up a tomato can 10 KSU Lost to Tulane. WTH? Game Highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hX0Kaj6HGc
    8 points
  24. Really hard to pick a favorite between Bijan and Roschon. Great guys off the field, great on the field (though in a different way of course), tough guys who will do what the team needs. Really lucky to have those 2.
    8 points
  25. You watch Bijan after the game and I believe he says something to every person on the field. Man he is a great representative of the university
    8 points
  26. I think I just saw Hudson Card talking to Johnny Depp in the stands on Gameday final.
    8 points
  27. As usual I think I hit the wrong button. I hate when that happens.
    8 points
  28. El Mahico posted this on OB and someone took it to IT and asked if true. Suchomel on OB said it was BS and Mods on IT said the same. Mahico making up shit again to make himself look important. He has no sources.... He has been busted many times of late.
    8 points
  29. Well if he did make disparaging remarks then kudos to the coaching staff for standing with the guys who picked them.
    8 points
  30. If aggy gona aggy, let’s start a rumor that Texas wants to move on from Sark and that they really want to go after Jimbo. Aggy will probably pony up and pay more money and extend the contract again. They hate Texas with a passion and even though it’s a dumpster fire over in aggy land they don’t want to loose anything to Texas. They will continue to convince themselves that he is the best coach out there. then the dumpster fire will be in aggy land for more years to come!!!! lol
    8 points
  31. tejasrulz

    Rochon or Wright?

    I threw him an underhanded pitch right over the plate, he didn't disappoint. Really? Who knew?
    8 points
  32. Big news on Ewers . . . according to TFB "I was told this morning that the injury is not as severe as it initially appeared from those national media teams. Behind the scene, there is optimism Ewers could return sooner than 4-6 weeks."
    8 points
  33. Hear me out here, "All wright, All wright, all wright"
    8 points
  34. Sirhornsalot

    Rochon or Wright?

    No. No, no, no. They would never rush Ewers back to play against a UTSA. Why would you? Card can barely walk. Sark says what he says because thats what he wants the opposition to know or not know.
    8 points
  35. I'm sure Patterson was very helpful in getting the defense ready to play, no question he is a valuable addition and I'm glad he is here. On the other hand not being part of the program it's hard to know exactly how much impact he had. I think we may be selling coach K and the other defensive coaches short to assign most of the success on defense to Patterson.
    8 points
  36. 8 points
  37. "What works against LaMon won't be the same against Bama." I don't care what anyone says, that is some high-level football analyis right there
    8 points
  38. A bunch of the Barstool accounts keep posting the Midnight Yell video.
    7 points
  39. On the QB situation... 247 saying Hudson Card is being treated for a high ankle sprain and didn't take any snaps on Monday. If he's not noticeably better by Thursday, Sark is expected to roll with Charles Wright against UTSA.
    7 points
  40. I'm in no way saying the next three games are a breeze, but the schedule sets up about as favorably as it could if you lose your QB. It won't be easy, but it should be manageable if your defensive effort is anything like we saw on Saturday.
    7 points
  41. It's usually a slow burn with things like that before a decision to de-commit, so we'll see where the Ags are a few weeks into conference play. The difference for Hill right now is there isn't that star power coming in with him (so far) like the '22 class had. His father was apparently liking some anti-Jimbo and pro-Texas stuff on Twitter this weekend.
    7 points
  42. 7 points
  43. as much as everyone wants to see Sark let the dogs loose, I think he plays it conservatively so as not to give Alabama any useful game film...the defense may score on a couple of TO's and I think they will have # 5 stuffed down their throat for about 20 carries or 200 yds, whichever comes first, special teams may also score some points...I think he will also want to see if #3 can execute the game plan and not turn the ball over....nothing more than a scrimmage in real time with live ammo
    7 points

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