Administrators Matt Cotcher Posted May 24, 2014 Administrators Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Taking Sides tackles the issue heating up in Washington D.C. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasdobbs Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Although as cowboy fan I would think it would be funny that they would have to change there name... but as a matter of principal I think they should let it go and let them keep it.PC police... echeese 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgilbert Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 My HS was the Donna Redskins. We had the same emblem on our helmet that Washington has on theirs. I don't think it is a racial slur and they should be allowed to keep their name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcherry168 Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 I think the whole thing is silly. They have been the Redskins forever. Why is it just now that it is an issue? Would it be political? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streettopeschel Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Political grandstanding. Until there's a groundswell of support for this by the people who are supposed to be offended, and not by a bunch of white-guilt do- gooders, I'm not overly concerned. CCausey11, joeywa and J.B. TexasEx 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudreauReye Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 This issue is a lot more complicated than just being the concern of "a bunch of white-guilt do- gooders". This is an issue that needs to be discussed in depth. I am part Seminole, but I have not ever lived a single day being identified as a Native American. The term 'Redskin" does not offend me one whit. However, if any minority members take issue with the use of what, in their judgement, could be considered pejorative names describing them, then I think that they should have their case heard in the court of public discourse. I do know that there are other pejorative names for other minorities, that if those names were ever used for a sports team, there would be quite an uproar. If you read the wiki article listed below, you will see that there are a lot of people who are concerned about this issue for a variety of reasons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_name_controversy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirhornsalot Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 IMO, this is but a symptom of what our society has receded to. Political correctness everywhere. It stinks. For decades, perhaps close to 100 years, the name Redskins offended no one. Did logic change? Did meaning change? Well, no. People changed. That's why this is a farce. The logic is here - the Redskins name was "earned" by reputation of the Indians as being fierce warriors and fighters. People all over the world recognized the bravery and skill of the American Indian warrior. No one ever said the same thing about the white warrior, or the black warrior. So the whole comparison falls flat on it's face. Keep the name. Let half of America grow a pair and get over it. J.B. TexasEx, Lukus Alderman, CCausey11 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 if it's offensive to the native american community... change the damn name! BudreauReye and Coleman Feeley 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgilbert Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 It seems like this man has no problem with redskin because he is Cherokee. Hell after too much time in the sun I am a redskin and I am not offended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streettopeschel Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Budreau since you clipped my 'do gooder' comment I'd respond of course it's more complicated than what can be done in the confines of a msg board discussion. In simplest terms, IMO, if a sizeable number of Indian tribes or native Americans find it offensive, put economic pressure on the league and club to change it. That always works. Until then this seems like a solution in search of a problem driven, yes, by white guilters.. Or at least by pols who'd rather go on TV talking about this rather than other problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Matt Cotcher Posted May 25, 2014 Author Administrators Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Good discourse, fellas. monarch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudreauReye Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Budreau since you clipped my 'do gooder' comment I'd respond of course it's more complicated than what can be done in the confines of a msg board discussion. In simplest terms, IMO, if a sizeable number of Indian tribes or native Americans find it offensive, put economic pressure on the league and club to change it. That always works. Until then this seems like a solution in search of a problem driven, yes, by white guilters.. Or at least by pols who'd rather go on TV talking about this rather than other problems I think you know, street, that I am not taking issue with you personally, in fact I know that there are a lot of people, a lot of whom are actually "White", that like to place all the blame of all our ills on European-American culture. Some of it is warranted, but nothing is a one way street (pardon the pun!) And, actually, the only reason that some people thaing that some of it is warranted, is because European culture won the "War" of which culture was going to dominate the world, at least for a little while. My point in attaching the wiki article is that it shows a very diverse grouping of organizations and individuals that are doing just what you are asking be done, putting pressure on the league and club to change it. I don't know why, but this issue does not seem to get as much press in Texas as it does in the rest of the country. Maybe that is because we do not have any tribal lands in Texas to speak of. In fact, there is a groundswell of organizations, both Native American and otherwise, that are demanding this change, not just "white guilters". Another issue is that Native American tribes are very diverse. Aside from being Native American they are extremely culturally diverse. They disagree on issues as much or more so than our greater American culture with all of our cultural, ethnic, and political diversity. So, street, to you I say, to paraphrase Matt, Good discussion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudreauReye Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 It seems like this man has no problem with redskin because he is Cherokee. Hell after too much time in the sun I am a redskin and I am not offended. I am part Seminole, but mainly Scotts-Irish. My skin turns red if I am out in the sun for too long also, but then again, I was pink to start with! Oh, and by the way, when I lived in Western North Carolina, Up in the mountains, I met some Cherokees that had hid out in the mountains when many Cherokees were removed from the area in the Removal Era and the Trail of Tears. They had historically intermarried with Blacks and Whites and were known as the Brass Ankles locally, and as Melungeons on the other side of the mountains in Tennessee. I have always wondered if those that remained considered those pejorative names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Stupid PC bcherry168, joeywa, texasdobbs and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirhornsalot Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 In simplest terms, IMO, if a sizeable number of Indian tribes or native Americans find it offensive, put economic pressure on the league and club to change it. That always works. Until then this seems like a solution in search of a problem driven, yes, by white guilters.. Or at least by pols who'd rather go on TV talking about this rather than other problems Agree. However, poll after poll has been taken over the years and what we've learned is that roughly 10 percent of the Native Americans polled indicated they were offended by Redskins or athletic teams depicting their culture. That means that 90 percent don't care one way or the other. It seems that to some, that just means you keep throwing the issue out there until you get a different result. That's whats happening here. You hear more from whites and blacks than you ever will from the Native Americans on this. If the name is changed, it's done for the sensitivities of liberal America, period. killrjoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukus Alderman Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 I'm not saying anyone on this board is like this, but it seems like some people with a platform just like to argue for the sake of arguing because it makes them feel important. The Redskins have been the name of that franchise for decades and it is just now becoming an issue? texasdobbs and bcherry168 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasdobbs Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 This is who I am, 1/8 Cherokee and im sure about 25 to 30 percent of Americans have some Indian blood in them. So i couldn't resist posting this song.... I'm an Indian outlaw Half Cherokee and Choctaw My baby she's a Chippewa She's one of a kind All my friends call me Bear Claw The Village Cheaftin' is my paw-paw He gets his orders from my maw-maw She makes him walk the line You can find me in my wigwam I'll be beatin' on my tom-tom Pull out the pipe and smoke you some Hey and pass it around 'Cause I'm an Indian outlaw Half Cherokee and Choctaw My baby she's a Chippewa She's one of a kind I ain't lookin' for trouble We can ride my pony double Make your little heart bubble Lord, Like a glass of wine I remember the medicine man He caught runnin' water in my hands Drug me around by my headband Said I wasn't her kind Cause I'm an Indian outlaw Half Cherokee and Choctaw My baby she's a Chippewa She's one of a kind I can kill a deer or buffalo With just my arrow and my hickory bow >From a hundred yards don't you know I do it all the time They all gather 'round my teepee Late at night tryin' to catch a peek at me In nothin' but my buffalo briefs I got 'em standin' in line Cause I'm an Indian outlaw Half Cherokee and Choctaw My baby she's a Chippewa She's one of a kind Cherokee people Cherokee tribe So proud to live So proud to die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echeese Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 In a month were we saw the Veteran Scandal FINALLY make front page news (the issue has been a problem for decades. . .W doubled the VA budget but warned Obama the problem was even bigger). . . we see our Senators wasting time not trying to fix the problem but pandering to the PC police. . . Really Sean .. . .thank you Senators? For what. . . ignoring real problems in this nation to chase a red herring? Wagging the dog I guess. . . . PS, I should add. . .it was 49 not 50 senators and that list will be trimmed by 4-8 this Nov so the minority of PC knuckleheads will have a smaller voice .. . . pjf007, texasdobbs, bcherry168 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Matt Cotcher Posted May 25, 2014 Author Administrators Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 PS, I should add. . .it was 49 not 50 senators and that list will be trimmed by 4-8 this Nov so the minority of PC knuckleheads will have a smaller voice .. . . I'm aware that it was only 49. I used 50 because, "Senator Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) sent along a separate letter, according to a press release." Some curiosities inside the letter's signatures: Neither Mark Warner nor Tim Kaine, both of Virginia, signed the letter. Virginia is Redskins country, home to many hard-core fans and the team's training facility, in Richmond.Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia also didn't sign. That state has many fans of Washington's football team, though the state also has many Pittsburgh Steelers fans, as well. By contrast, Maryland's two senators, Barbara Mikulski and Ben Cardin, signed the letter. A big part of their state is also Redskins country — and FedEx Field, the stadium where the team plays, is located there. But Maryland is also Ravens country, and both senators call Baltimore home. And it's a very blue state, which makes both senators among the least vulnerable in the Senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasdobbs Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Interesting article about a study that was completed. .. PC police time to move on... Redskins GM: Nickname staying http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=10975869&i=TWT&w=1e1r5 J.B. TexasEx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strick Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Me thinks our federal government has other things they should focus on...like the economy. Egotistical idiots, that's all. Lukus Alderman, Aaron Carrara and Coleman Feeley 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.B. TexasEx Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Interesting read from the Capitalism Institute about the origin of "Redskins". http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/reid-mind-your-own-business/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed Smithsonian Institution senior linguist Ives Goddard, a top scholar of Native American languages, researched the origins of the name “redskins†and concluded that it originated as an expression of solidarity amongst multi-tribal delegations traveling to Washington to negotiate with the government on their Native American policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirhornsalot Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 In a month were we saw the Veteran Scandal FINALLY make front page news (the issue has been a problem for decades. . .W doubled the VA budget but warned Obama the problem was even bigger). . . we see our Senators wasting time not trying to fix the problem but pandering to the PC police. . . Really Sean .. . .thank you Senators? For what. . . ignoring real problems in this nation to chase a red herring? Wagging the dog I guess. . . . PS, I should add. . .it was 49 not 50 senators and that list will be trimmed by 4-8 this Nov so the minority of PC knuckleheads will have a smaller voice .. . . Excellent post, echeese. Agree completely. Much bigger fish to fry and it's almost criminal that they choose to divert attention to such a lame issue. Understandably though, the kitchen is getting hot and the cook no longer is comfortable being there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirhornsalot Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Interesting read from the Capitalism Institute about the origin of "Redskins". http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/reid-mind-your-own-business/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed Well, that flips the entire thing on it's head. Guilters are now offended on behalf of Indians by a name that Indian ancestors created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I thought this kinda funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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