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I am calling BS. ATM makes it much easier for their athletes. It has always been this way, and that is a fact.

 

And no, I am not going to argue the point. I have crap to do, and I don't give a flip what some Aggie comes up with to justify ATM's handling of its student athletes.

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That's a whole different story and one that does warrant discussion.

 

Every school in the country is guilty of creating less rigorous and more controllable pathways for athletes.

 

At A&M it might be termed as ag leadership. At UT it might be termed as undeclared and then youth and community studies. Google the term "student athlete clustering"

 

Back to the point, I'm not a big fan of online courses either. But to act like they aren't being used at every school in the country to allow athletes flexibility is just silly. To say that online courses are the reason athletes might be picking A&M over UT reeks of excuse making.

 

Oh, please stop with the straw men. If your Heisman winning QB was signed up for a complete year of online classes, it sure wasn't because he didn't have time to attend classes. See if you can find someone that believes that - hell, even an aggy would look at that BS and wink. And you sure can't say that UT athletes do it as well, because you have no clue if they do.

I wouldn't be surprised if Manziel didn't take a single online class and it was someone else that did it for him, anyway.

 

Let's don't be so damned hypocritical about aggyland, ok? That's the same place that gave a premier running back a gold TransAm and was put on probation for recruiting cheating for 3 years. The only years, I might add, that they ever won anything significant. And those in the know, also know that aggy loves the culture of the SEC and the "look the other way" and the "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" attitudes that are condoned in the SEC, SEC, SEC. See, I can say this as easily as you can promote your generated straw men - just as readily as you can.

 

Please remove yourself from your high horse and step down with your brethren in the SEC, SEC, SEC.

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That's a whole different story and one that does warrant discussion.

 

Every school in the country is guilty of creating less rigorous and more controllable pathways for athletes.

 

At A&M it might be termed as ag leadership. At UT it might be termed as undeclared and then youth and community studies. Google the term "student athlete clustering"

 

Back to the point, I'm not a big fan of online courses either. But to act like they aren't being used at every school in the country to allow athletes flexibility is just silly. To say that online courses are the reason athletes might be picking A&M over UT reeks of excuse making.

 

At least you're making progress. Yes to some extent all schools fast track athletes. Texas is no different. You guys are taking that to a logical and unfortunate end by allowing all or a majority of classes to be taken online. Will others follow? Absolutely. I hope Texas does not. It's just way too lenient and has virtually no way of preventing large scale cheating.

I don't think anyone is saying it's a recruiting advantage today. But it very well could be in the future (it just started afterall). How could it not? If a certain player is a borderline student and really has no interest at all in his education and he's presented with 2 choices, sit in the front row of every single class or take a bulk load on online classes, a la University of Phoenix at College Station he's absolutely going to give that quite a bit of weight.

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All or a majority is a misnomer based on Johnny taking one semester of online courses. Johnny was taking classes on campus this semester. Fairly positive he took classes in person in the semesters prior to the spring of 13.

 

If you can find proof of an athlete at A&M getting all/majority of classes online or sumlin selling an easier academic experience id love to see it

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Sorry to interrupt aggies talking about aggies on the Hornsports' UT Recruiting Update thread --

 

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Of the 160 1st-rounders in past 5 drafts, 29 (18 %) were Rivals 5-star prospects coming out of HS: <a href="http://t.co/EDGFDTvMsW">http://t.co/EDGFDTvMsW</a></p>— CollegeFootball 24/7 (@NFL_CFB) <a href="

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2013 NFL DRAFT

1. Kansas City Chiefs: OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan

Particulars: 2-star OT in 2009 recruiting class.

 

2. Jacksonville Jaguars: OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M

Particulars: 4-star OT in 2010 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

 

3. Miami Dolphins: DE Dion Jordan, Oregon

Particulars: 4-star TE in 2008 recruiting class.

 

4. Philadelphia Eagles: OT Lane Johnson, Oklahoma

Particulars: 2-star TE in 2009 recruiting class (junior college recruit).

 

5. Detroit Lions: DE Ezekiel "Ziggy" Ansah, BYU

Particulars: Unranked; did not play high school football (arrived at BYU in 2008 as a track athlete from Ghana).

 

6. Cleveland Browns: DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU

Particulars: 4-star OLB in 2009 recruiting class.

 

7. Arizona Cardinals: G Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina

Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class.

 

8. St. Louis Rams: WR Tavon Austin, West Virginia

Particulars: 4-star RB in 2009 recruiting class.

 

9. New York Jets: CB Dee Milliner, Alabama

Particulars: 5-star CB in 2010 recruiting class (national top-25 player).

 

10. Tennessee Titans: G Chance Warmack, Alabama

Particulars: 3-star G in 2009 recruiting class.

 

11. San Diego Chargers: OT D.J. Fluker, Alabama

Particulars: 5-star OT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-five player).

 

12. Oakland Raiders: CB DJ Hayden, Houston

Particulars: 3-star S/CB in 2011 recruiting class (national top-50 junior college player).

 

13. New York Jets: DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri

Particulars: 4-star DT in 2011 recruiting class (national top-five junior college player).

 

14. Carolina Panthers: DT Star Lotulelei, Utah

Particulars: 3-star DE in 2010 recruiting class (national top-50 junior college player).

 

15. New Orleans Saints: S Kenny Vaccaro, Texas

Particulars: 4-star S in 2009 recruiting class.

 

16. Buffalo Bills: QB E.J. Manuel, Florida State

Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-50 player).

 

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: LB Jarvis Jones, Georgia

Particulars: 4-star DE in 2009 recruiting class (national top-75 player; signed with USC before transferring).

 

18. San Francisco 49ers: S Eric Reid, LSU

Particulars: 4-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-100 player).

 

19. New York Giants: G Justin Pugh, Syracuse

Particulars: 2-star OT in 2009 recruiting class.

 

20. Chicago Bears: G Kyle Long, Oregon

Particulars: 3-star OT in 2012 recruiting class (national top-30 junior college player; signed with Florida State to play baseball out of high school in 2008).

 

21. Cincinnati Bengals: TE Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame

Particulars: 3-star TE in 2009 recruiting class.

 

22. Atlanta Falcons: CB Desmond Trufant, Washington

Particulars: 3-star CB in 2009 recruiting class.

 

23. Minnesota Vikings: DT Sharrif Floyd, Florida

Particulars: 5-star DT in 2010 recruiting class (national top-five player).

 

24. Indianapolis Colts: DE Bjoern Werner, Florida State

Particulars: 3-star DT in 2010 recruiting class.

 

25. Minnesota Vikings: CB Xavier Rhodes, Florida State

Particulars: 3-star WR in 2009 recruiting class.

 

26. Green Bay Packers: DE Datone Jones, UCLA

Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

 

27. Houston Texans: WR DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson

Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2010 recruiting class.

 

28. Denver Broncos: DT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina

Particulars: 3-star DT in 2011 recruiting class (national top-25 junior college recruit).

 

29. Minnesota Vikings: WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee

Particulars: 4-star WR in 2012 recruiting class (national top-five junior college recruit).

 

30. St. Louis Rams: LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia

Particulars: 4-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

 

31. Dallas Cowboys: C Travis Frederick, Wisconsin

Particulars: 3-star G/C in 2009 recruiting class (an aside: went to Big Foot High School -- seriously -- in tiny Walworth, Wis.).

 

32. Baltimore Ravens: S Matt Elam, Florida

Particulars: 5-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-25 player).

 

 

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2012 NFL DRAFT

1. Indianapolis Colts: QB Andrew Luck, Stanford

Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-70 player).

 

2. Washington Redskins: QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor

Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class.

 

3. Cleveland Browns: RB Trent Richardson, Alabama

Particulars: 5-star RB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-10 player).

 

4. Minnesota Vikings: OT Matt Kalil, USC

Particulars: 5-star OT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

 

5. Jacksonville Jaguars: WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State

Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

 

6. Dallas Cowboys: CB Morris Claiborne, LSU

Particulars: 3-star ATH in 2009 recruiting class.

 

7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: SS Mark Barron, Alabama

Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2008 recruiting class (national top-60 player).

 

8. Miami Dolphins: QB Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M

Particulars: 3-star QB in 2007 recruiting class.

 

9. Carolina Panthers: LB Luke Kuechly, Boston College

Particulars: 3-star LB in 2009 recruiting class.

 

10. Buffalo Bills: CB Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina

Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2009 recruiting class (national top-90 player).

 

11. Kansas City Chiefs: DT Dontari Poe, Memphis

Particulars: 2-star DT in 2008 recruiting class.

 

12. Philadelphia Eagles: DT Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State

Particulars: 4-star DT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-100 player).

 

13. Arizona Cardinals: WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame

Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-30 player).

 

14. St. Louis Rams: DT Michael Brockers, LSU

Particulars: 4-star DE in 2009 recruiting class.

 

15. Seattle Seahawks: DE Bruce Irvin, West Virginia

Particulars: 4-star LB in 2010 recruiting class (national top-10 junior college player).

 

16. New York Jets: DE Quinton Coples, North Carolina

Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

 

17. Cincinnati Bengals: CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama

Particulars: 5-star CB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

 

18. San Diego Chargers: DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina

Particulars: 4-star LB in 2007 recruiting class.

 

19. Chicago Bears: DE Shea McClellin, Boise State

Particulars: 2-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

 

20. Tennessee Titans: WR Kendall Wright, Baylor

Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

 

21. New England Patriots: DE Chandler Jones, Syracuse

Particulars: 2-star TE in 2008 recruiting class.

 

22. Cleveland Browns: QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State

Particulars: Graduated high school in 2001, before Rivals.com recruiting rankings existed. Played minor league baseball for five years before signing with Oklahoma State in 2007.

 

23. Detroit Lions: OT Riley Reiff, Iowa

Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

 

24. Pittsburgh Steelers: G David DeCastro, Stanford

Particulars: 3-star C in 2008 recruiting class.

 

25. New England Patriots: LB Dont'a Hightower, Alabama

Particulars: 4-star LB in 2008 recruiting class.

 

26. Houston Texans: DE Whitney Mercilus, Illinois

Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

 

27. Cincinnati Bengals: G Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin

Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class.

 

28. Green Bay Packers: DE Nick Perry, USC

Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class (national top-60 player).

 

29. Minnesota Vikings: S Harrison Smith, Notre Dame

Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2007 recruiting class.

 

30. San Francisco 49ers: WR A.J. Jenkins, Illinois

Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

 

31. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: RB Doug Martin, Boise State

Particulars: 2-star RB in 2007 recruiting class.

 

32. New York Giants: RB David Wilson, Virginia Tech

Particulars: 4-star RB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

 

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2011 NFL DRAFT

1. Carolina Panthers: QB Cam Newton, Auburn

Particulars: 5-star QB in 2010 recruiting class (national No. 1 junior college player; also was a five-star QB and a national top-30 player out of high school in 2007 class).

 

2. Denver Broncos: OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M

Particulars: 4-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

 

3. Buffalo Bills: DT Marcell Dareus, Alabama

Particulars: 3-star DT in 2008 recruiting class.

 

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7. San Francisco 49ers: DE Aldon Smith, Missouri

Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

 

8. Tennessee Titans: QB Jake Locker, Washington

Particulars: 4-star QB in 2006 recruiting class (national top-70 player).

 

9. Dallas Cowboys: OT Tyron Smith, USC

Particulars: 5-star OT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

 

10. Jacksonville Jaguars: QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

Particulars: 5-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

 

11. Houston Texans: DE J.J. Watt, Wisconsin

Particulars: 2-star DE in 2007 recruiting class (signed with Central Michigan before transferring).

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You realize that the sample size is a lot smaller for 5-stars than the other classifications? For instance, there are around 400 4-stars per year roughly and 25 5-stars per year. If there are 29 5-stars in the 1st round over a 5 year span, given my estimate of 25 five stars per year we get 29/125= 23% of all five-stars become first rounders. In comparison, 62 first rounders were 4-stars over the same period, which comes out to 62/2000=3% of all four-stars become first rounder. Nothing is a guarantee, but most of the top 100 players in the country are far more likely to succeed in college than the borderline 3/4 stars. In fact, a good portion of those 4-stars were top 100 players and would be considered a 5-star by at least one service now given the influx of reputable recruiting sites. I don't necessarily agree with each individual ranking, but stars generally have good accuracy (#1 hint towards them being good players is often the offer list). I would be interested to see how these stars translate to pro success (i.e. Pro-Bowl data).

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You realize that the sample size is a lot smaller for 5-stars than the other classifications? .....

 

 

 

You realize that all of that material was from an article at NFL.com?

You can make your complaint directly to the author here @MikeHuguenin.

Or leave your commentary http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000319991/article/where-firstrounders-rated-coming-out-of-high-school?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb

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somebody at sbevo put this together concerning wickline.

 

 

Went through recruiting classes from 2007 to 2012 to see OL recruiting for Texas (MacWhorter/Searels) vs. Okie State (Wickline).

 

4/5*s on OL

2007: Texas: 4 Okie St: 0

2008: Texas: 2 Okie St: 0

2009: Texas: 3 Okie St: 2

2010: Texas: 2 Okie St: 0

2011: Texas: 3 Okie St: 0

2012: Texas: 4 Okie St: 0

 

Total 4/5* OL recruits in those 6 recruiting classes:

Texas: 18

Okie St: 2

 

People don't need to get worked up with Wickline taking 3 star offensive lineman, that's just what he does.

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Then why the big announcement show?

 

Attention. Poona even said one of the reasons he was waiting for national signing day was to give his high school some attention. Not gonna lie it can't hurt Texas either, with one of the bigger recruits picking Texas on national television. Not saying Poona is for sure picking Texas, but it's looking very likely. Point is, just because he has a "big announcement" doesn't deny that he may have already given a silent verbal.

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All or a majority is a misnomer based on Johnny taking one semester of online courses. Johnny was taking classes on campus this semester. Fairly positive he took classes in person in the semesters prior to the spring of 13.

 

If you can find proof of an athlete at A&M getting all/majority of classes online or sumlin selling an easier academic experience id love to see it

 

LOL! Honestly, it probably didn't benefit your argument by saying he "only" took one semester of classes on the net and he attended classes before and after that semester. That's like saying he was only kind of pregnant, so it didn't matter. Your admission that he took a semester of online classes is proof enough for me.

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Then why the big announcement show?

 

Attention. Poona even said one of the reasons he was waiting for national signing day was to give his high school some attention. Not gonna lie it can't hurt Texas either, with one of the bigger recruits picking Texas on national television. Not saying Poona is for sure picking Texas, but it's looking very likely. Point is, just because he has a "big announcement" doesn't deny that he may have already given a silent verbal.

 

Exactly what utisdabomb12 just said. Poona made it public knowledge that he wanted to use this chance to pay his respects to his High School and Coaches. It's been public knowledge for a while now.

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Here is the argument I made on the Nelson thread. But the post is starting to get buried by the "who is a better UT fan" type debate there. Probably better suited for this more general recruiting thread anyway. Hopefully the aggies wont attempt to convert into an argument about aggies.

 

 

 

I think Strong has done a good job of holding this class together.

They got on Heard right away, and he helped keep Joe. They also kept Roberson, Bonney and the Foremans.

Adding Freeman was big, especially in light of losing Alaka.

They also added two OLs after the previous coaches really dropped the ball there.

And they added a JUCO TE - go figure.

 

What we still have to see is about the DTs, another depleted area.

And the Teuhemas. Losing them would hurt, no getting around that.

But holding them and adding at least Poona (hopefully Nelson too) would be a fine job by my account in light of the timing, and the mess that was created over the Banquet weekend.

 

To this I will add here that the coaches are also piling up an impressive list of junior invites to date.

 

Who disagrees? And why? We will know alot more 24 hours from now (or so) but here is your chance to go on the record before all of that becomes official.

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