Mulligan30 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) He has to win at least one NCAA tourney game. If not, then you gotta get rid of him. That would be 1 tourney win in last 6 seasons if he can do it this year. Edited December 20, 2013 by Mulligan30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornSolo Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Pleasantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirhornsalot Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Listen he is doing something he hasnt done since KD. He is working with the Asst well and he really has formed a bond with this team. I stated this question at the start of the season... If he get this young team in the NCAA tourney should he get another year. I believe he should. Not that he will but that he should. He is having fun this year and from what I heard its because he knew he was gone, so lets go have fun, work hard and see what happens. I really wish he had this mindset the past 6 years or so. Could have been a special run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATX89 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 It's certainly been surprising but I'm not going to get excited yet. I feel like this is the Mack Brown situation all over again. Exceeding expectations until it's time to show up for a Championship. I've been ready to replace Barnes for the last 2 years, but I'd have to disagree with your assessment. Mack started off 2013 horribly with a 1-2 record and with 19 returning starters and grand delusions of Big 12 championships and BCS bowls. Barnes started off 2013 replacing multiple departures/transfers from arguably the bulk of our offensive production last season and has gone 10-1 with a win against a ranked North Carolina team in Chappell Hill. I'm not predicting final 4 much less sweet 16 for this team or even conference contention, but what Barnes has done with a team that many of us thought wouldn't win 10 games all year is pretty amazing in my opinion. Now if they could only shoot free throws!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancho Negro Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Someone asked what our expectations should be in basketball. I'm really sick and tired of the t-shirt fans/"football only" fans in our fanbase. I can't even believe we have people who think the only sport we should field is football. I've said before, I might even like UT basketball more than UT football at times. I really, really, really, really want this program to succeed. (Hell I really want Barnes to succeed.) UT has all the resources to be a national power year in and year out in college basketball. When you consider resources, money, and recruiting base, there really isn't a reason why we shouldn't be a Top 10-15 team every year. And that's what our expectation should be. We need to stop marginalizing all sports not football and place expectations on ALL of our teams, considering our HUGE advantage in every sport in comparison to schools within the Big 12 and nationally. We should expect more out of our coaches too, considering how much we pay them and how (relatively) easy it should be to recruit to Texas and to the city of Austin. Our men's basketball team should have Top 15 expectations. I've said it before on this site and others. In speaking with an SEC assistant coach several years ago, he told me that Texas is a top 5 job overall. He said not in terms of the "bluebloods of basketball" but in terms of where every major HC and assistant would like to coach. I asked him why and he said because of recruiting, resources, and no pressure. Here are a few articles that mention how Texas is a top basketball job: Ranking the nation's top 10 college basketball coaching jobs - ESPN The top 25 coaching jobs in college basketball. | SportsonEarth.com : Will Leitch Article Ranking the Top 25 coaching jobs in college basketball College Basketball: Top 15 Coaching Jobs in the Country | Bleacher Report The best college basketball coaching jobs? Start with UNC - NCAA Basketball - Sporting News Those are just the first few...there are a lot more. I've even heard ESPN personalities say that Texas is a top 5 basketball job. The problem is we aren't getting top 5 results. Dodds didn't demand it, but it's time that we do. /rant over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude65 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Coaching for his job. Very shocked considering the youth on the team, Achilles heel as always has been with Rick Barnes coached teams is the Free Throw shooting or lack thereof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhorn Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Listen he is doing something he hasnt done since KD. He is working with the Asst well and he really has formed a bond with this team. I stated this question at the start of the season... If he get this young team in the NCAA tourney should he get another year. I believe he should. Not that he will but that he should. He is having fun this year and from what I heard its because he knew he was gone, so lets go have fun, work hard and see what happens. I really wish he had this mindset the past 6 years or so. Could have been a special run I agree with your take on Barnes. i've noticed a more relaxed coach on the side lines, he seems to be letting the team play and not yanking players at the first mistake. They say you can't teach old dogs new tricks but is it possible that Rick has taught himself a new trick? I think we need more than one year to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeflow Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 We have seen Barnes reach certain goals in his career at Texas. I guess my question to those with a lot more knowlege than me about basketball. Does Barnes have it in him to go all the way and win a National Championship. Is this another situation where you reach a certain level year after year but no further. At which point does an AD say we are going another direction. I don't know the answer. Can anyone give me an answer where we are going because I personally like Barnes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiggystyle Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Someone asked what our expectations should be in basketball. I'm really sick and tired of the t-shirt fans/"football only" fans in our fanbase. I can't even believe we have people who think the only sport we should field is football. I've said before, I might even like UT basketball more than UT football at times. I really, really, really, really want this program to succeed. (Hell I really want Barnes to succeed.) UT has all the resources to be a national power year in and year out in college basketball. When you consider resources, money, and recruiting base, there really isn't a reason why we shouldn't be a Top 10-15 team every year. And that's what our expectation should be. We need to stop marginalizing all sports not football and place expectations on ALL of our teams, considering our HUGE advantage in every sport in comparison to schools within the Big 12 and nationally. We should expect more out of our coaches too, considering how much we pay them and how (relatively) easy it should be to recruit to Texas and to the city of Austin. Our men's basketball team should have Top 15 expectations. I've said it before on this site and others. In speaking with an SEC assistant coach several years ago, he told me that Texas is a top 5 job overall. He said not in terms of the "bluebloods of basketball" but in terms of where every major HC and assistant would like to coach. I asked him why and he said because of recruiting, resources, and no pressure. Here are a few articles that mention how Texas is a top basketball job: Ranking the nation's top 10 college basketball coaching jobs - ESPN The top 25 coaching jobs in college basketball. | SportsonEarth.com : Will Leitch Article Ranking the Top 25 coaching jobs in college basketball College Basketball: Top 15 Coaching Jobs in the Country | Bleacher Report The best college basketball coaching jobs? Start with UNC - NCAA Basketball - Sporting News Those are just the first few...there are a lot more. I've even heard ESPN personalities say that Texas is a top 5 basketball job. The problem is we aren't getting top 5 results. Dodds didn't demand it, but it's time that we do. /rant over Thanks for the response. I hope you didn't interpret my fishing question as one of ignorance. I certainly believe we should be a top 10 basketball program with expectations to be there every year. I get that the parody in basketball is greater than just about any other sport but to your point we should be recruiting much better than we do. My question about expectations was somewhat of a rhetorical one to drive this conversation. I guess I just don't understand, and this may the sticking point in your rant, why we would "give Barnes another year" if we just make the tournament. I mean there were people who were ready to quit UT football if Mack came back last year and he won us a national championship. Why the double standard? We should win the Capital One college cup every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest POCKEY Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 You gotta believe Patterson is chomping at the bit to dig his teeth into the Basketball Program. He's a BB guy. He'll get it done and it wouldn't surprise m if he decided to get it done with Barnes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBQ Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Barnes is back to doing what he does best. He is coaching kids that want to be coached. He is great at teaching effort, rebounding, defense, and team work. The problem the last several years is that he had kids that didn't want to be coached. They wanted to do their thing and not work on other aspects of their game. Barnes does not give in to his players and does not adapt to his players. Instead, he demands that they adhere to his system. That is fine but he has to recruit the right kids for his style of coaching. He got caught up in recruiting guys with talent but without the desire to be coached his way. That is on him for not recruiting kids that fit his system. For instance, ask anyone that really knows and they will tell you it was obvious Sheldon was talented but a terrible fit for Barnes. Hopefully, he has figured out where he went wrong, wins enough this year to keep his job, gets Myles, we have a great year next year, and we go on a great run for many years. I don't know whether that will happen but I hope so. I can tell you this, some of his very best former players absolutely love him and give him credit for helping them develop and become the players they are/were. Not me guessing, I know some of them well and they have told me. Take it for what it is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancho Negro Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 I can tell you this, some of his very best former players absolutely love him and give him credit for helping them develop and become the players they are/were. Not me guessing, I know some of them well and they have told me. Take it for what it is worth. I don't think anyone here is saying that or disagrees. It's pretty well known that all of his players like him. I've met him a few times and he was my favorite coach at UT, even nicer than Mack. Mack is a politician. Barnes is the guy you can go have a beer with. He's pretty funny too. Where Barnes misses the mark, though, is x and o coaching. (Sound familiar?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDX Horn Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) Barnes shouldn't have been the coach to start this year if Dodds was doing his job. The Big 12 is going to be a grind and currently UT has 1 win (what I would call great) win (UNC) against a very good opponent. Much funner team to watch than last years abomination. If he makes a tourney run (i.e. wins a couple of games) I think he deserves to come back. Edited December 21, 2013 by PDX Horn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLeininger Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Barnes shouldn't have been the coach to start this year if Dodds was doing his job. The Big 12 is going to be a grind and currently UT has 1 win (UNC) against a team that is projected to make the tournament. Much funner team to watch than last years abomination. If he makes a tourney run (i.e. wins a couple of games) I think he deserves to come back. Texas has 3 wins against teams currently projected to be in the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancho Negro Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Texas has 3 wins against teams currently projected to be in the tournament. Uhh, who are the other 2? Because I only see 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiler77 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 He has to win at least one NCAA tourney game. If not, then you gotta get rid of him. That would be 1 tourney win in last 6 seasons if he can do it this year. No reason to make up facts to try to make a point. We won a tournament game in 08-09 and 10-11. If he makes the tournament this year, I think he keeps his job. Frankly, it would be his best coaching job since his first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDX Horn Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) Texas has 3 wins against teams currently projected to be in the tournament. I stand corrected. Mercer and SFA were both projected to be #15 seeds in the ESPN bracketology. Not sure I would consider those quality wins (as the UNC one was). Edited December 21, 2013 by PDX Horn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pringlelake Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 I stand corrected. Mercer and SFA were both projected to be #15 seeds in the ESPN bracketology. Not sure I would consider those quality wins (as the UNC one was). unfortunate that you need to apologize PDX.....the fact is that we have ONE quality win. And god help us if our objective is to make the tourney. Good lord. With the money and resources we have, there is no reason for us to not have a top 10 basketball team year end and year out. Why expect that from football but not basketball?? I've always liked Barnes but he ought to have the same standard as Mack for keeping his job this year. Win the Big 12 championship or advance to the elite 8. Something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLeininger Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 unfortunate that you need to apologize PDX.....the fact is that we have ONE quality win. And god help us if our objective is to make the tourney. Good lord. With the money and resources we have, there is no reason for us to not have a top 10 basketball team year end and year out. Why expect that from football but not basketball?? I've always liked Barnes but he ought to have the same standard as Mack for keeping his job this year. Win the Big 12 championship or advance to the elite 8. Something along those lines. Your definition of a quality win does match with what the selection committee's definition. Texas has a few quality wins, which a step forward from last year when Texas lost to Chamanaide. This season is about making the tournament, and get Turner. If both of those things happen, then the expectations you suggested should be required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pringlelake Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 I won't argue about what is and is not a quality win because that's very subjective. However I stand by my standard for judging Barnes. Give me a Big 12 championship or take us to the elite 8 and you keep you job. Otherwise, adios. If Brown had that standard, then Barnes needs to have it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancho Negro Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Your definition of a quality win does match with what the selection committee's definition. Texas has a few quality wins, which a step forward from last year when Texas lost to Chamanaide. This season is about making the tournament, and get Turner. If both of those things happen, then the expectations you suggested should be required. Besides North Carolina, who else is a "quality win?" Because I don't see any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLeininger Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Besides North Carolina, who else is a "quality win?" Because I don't see any. Mercer, SFA, and Vanderbilt are all quality wins according to most every RPI poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 There is something else happening besides the coach of the day show. Big week for the men's BB coming up: Oklahoma Saturday at 7pm on LHN Oklahoma State Wednesday at 8pm on ESPNU OSU is very tough. I think it may be the best team they have ever had. If we can stay with them, it would be huge. Remaining Games/Conference Schedule 1/4/2014 Oklahoma Austin, Texas 7 p.m. Longhorn Network 1/8/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. 8 p.m. ESPNU 1/11/2014 Texas Tech Austin, Texas 7 p.m. Longhorn Network 1/13/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. 6 p.m. ESPN 1/18/2014 Iowa State Austin, Texas 3 p.m. Big 12 1/21/2014 Kansas State Austin, Texas 6 p.m. ESPN2 1/25/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas 12:45 p.m. Big 12 2/1/2014 Kansas Austin, Texas 3 p.m. TBA 2/4/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas 7 p.m. Big 12 2/8/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. 12:45 p.m. Big 12 2/11/2014 Oklahoma State Austin, Texas 6 p.m. ESPN2 2/15/2014 West Virginia Austin, Texas 7 p.m. Longhorn Network 2/18/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa 6 p.m. ESPN2 2/22/2014 Kansas Lawrence, Kan. 6:30 p.m. ESPNU 2/26/2014 Baylor Austin, Texas 8 p.m. ESPNU 3/1/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. 3 p.m. Big 12 3/5/2014 TCU Austin, Texas 7 p.m. Longhorn Network 3/8/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas 3 p.m. ESPNEWS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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