monarch Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 TYRONE SWOOPES - 6 Ft 4 - 245lbs - Whitewright HS - Whitewright, TX JAMEIS WINSTON - 6 FT 4 - 227lbs - Hueytown HS - Hueytown, AL Oh, and did I fail to mention that they are both FRESHMEN! Something if very wrong here. Lately, due to the certain / overall influx of pure chaos surrounding Longhorn Nation.... somehow we have lost site of the forest.... simply due to the trees. Just why on earth are these two quarterbacks so very different in regards to their overall development? Well, essentially speaking.... this is the overall point of this "post".... they shouldn't be..... Until today, none of us actually said anything.... but I think that part of the real reason that most of us were so shocked that Mack Brown decided to just arbitrarily burn Tyrone Swoopes's redshirt last week, was not simply that he burned it.... because to some degree, most of us knew that it had to be done.... in order for Texas to make a serious push as per the "Big XII" title. But it was the way that Tyrone looked / played during his moments upon the field of play. In lieu of all of the "off season" conditioning, weight training, repetitions, "Spring Game", etc.. etc.. "Tyrone looked as though he had just crawled out of a baby's crib". At one point, during the very few minutes that he was allowed take the helm of the "offense"..... I actually feared as per his safety. Is this normal? Today, I once again had he utmost pleasure of viewing several clips of the Florida State game featuring Jameis Winston vs Miami. WOW! What a stark contrast. This young freshman is playing "lights out" football. Oh, and did I fail to mention that he is just a freshman. What is going on here? Are these two young players all that different? Please reference the aforementioned player personal information that I have illustrated.... not much of a difference there is it.... Gents / ladies, this simply has to come down to the coaching / mentoring programs in place under Mack Brown. Something has to be very wrong upon the "40 Acres". We simply are having to much non development as per our quarterbacks. Period! Even "Helen Keller" could see this. I am simply adamant, that this has to indeed be the very last season as per Mack Brown. We are hereby witnessing a "superstar" in the making in reference to Longhorn commitment "Jerrod Heard". WE THANK GOD THAT HE HAS CHOSEN TEXAS! NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO CHOOSE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheContractor Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Something has been wrong for a very long time in Austin, sometimes covered up by VY and Colt and since then its has gotten way out of had. The non development is not just at QB but at OL, WR, TE(hahaha), RB, DT, LB, DB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeblooded Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Winston is a red shirt freshman. But I agree Mack has botched the QB position, just another reason he should retire . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEXAS FAN Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Just let it go he will be out soon so just Let it go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoekem Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Just let it go he will be out soon so just Let it go Maybe that's part of the problem, we've "let it go" for at least 2 years now. I say we put our foot on his throat and make him go. 22-16...22-16 SUX and the only constant in all of that is MB and the total lack of play from the QB position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Vader Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Maybe that's part of the problem, we've "let it go" for at least 2 years now. This statement is not said NEARLY enough. It should be put on bumper stickers and billboards. We, as a fan base, as alumni, as students, as a program, and as Longhorn Nation have let it go way too long. Change must happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiggystyle Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 I'm not defending Mack but you have to understand that we never had a real shot at Jameis. Did you know he also "wanted" to go to Alabama and still chose FSU over them? Sometimes recruits like to be recruited and they can "want" to go to a lot of different places but can only chose one. Again, I am not defending Mack but this Winston comparison and story about us "whiffing" on him is a little over blown. Your point about how Swoopes looked when he got into the game is very valid. I too was shocked at the set of plays he has been given (in both contests) and how he has quite a ways to go before he can really lead this team. But to compare him to Jamies Winston is probably a little unfair - Jamies looks like the real deal and could be one of those "only comes along every 5 years" types of players. If you want to talk about Mack QB misses the list is long for home grown talent. Drew Brees, Nick Fowles, RG3, Luck, Stafford, Manziel - I'm sure there are others I have left out but this is just off the top of my head. Of course, you can only have one guy on the field at a time but the fact that Case McCoy is our guy right now says a lot about the development at that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTK66 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Winston was never coming too Texas, ever, regardless of what anyone may have heard/read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Vader Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Thiggles makes good points re: Winston, but still think Hoekems statement is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeJesus Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 God...some of you guys are just Mack jock sniffers. We "never had a chance at Jameis", blah blah blah.....I guess using that logic James Brown and the Horns never should have showed up against Nebraska...or Boise against OU. This same mentality of not doing something because of 'X' is a joke and has undermined our program. Other schools have no problem of competing in recruiting or fighting for a signature, but not old Mack. He wants only recruits that are guaranteed, much like his paycheck...why should he have to work hard for it or produce championships?? Why, because too many of the Horn faithful agree with shit like this, so he doesn't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell McPhaul Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 God...some of you guys are just Mack jock sniffers. We "never had a chance at Jameis", blah blah blah.....I guess using that logic James Brown and the Horns never should have showed up against Nebraska...or Boise against OU. This same mentality of not doing something because of 'X' is a joke and has undermined our program. Other schools have no problem of competing in recruiting or fighting for a signature, but not old Mack. He wants only recruits that are guaranteed, much like his paycheck...why should he have to work hard for it or produce championships?? Why, because too many of the Horn faithful agree with $#@! like this, so he doesn't have to. We are not going to address one another in that manner here. For the record, I'm not aware of one person on this site that is not ready to see Mack go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshirtfan12 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I agree with many of your points but what do you expect, Swoopes couldn't make all district QB on his 2A team and Winston was all state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I'm not defending Mack but you have to understand that we never had a real shot at Jameis. Did you know he also "wanted" to go to Alabama and still chose FSU over them? Sometimes recruits like to be recruited and they can "want" to go to a lot of different places but can only chose one. Again, I am not defending Mack but this Winston comparison and story about us "whiffing" on him is a little over blown. Your point about how Swoopes looked when he got into the game is very valid. I too was shocked at the set of plays he has been given (in both contests) and how he has quite a ways to go before he can really lead this team. But to compare him to Jamies Winston is probably a little unfair - Jamies looks like the real deal and could be one of those "only comes along every 5 years" types of players. If you want to talk about Mack QB misses the list is long for home grown talent. Drew Brees, Nick Fowles, RG3, Luck, Stafford, Manziel - I'm sure there are others I have left out but this is just off the top of my head. Of course, you can only have one guy on the field at a time but the fact that Case McCoy is our guy right now says a lot about the development at that position. Thiggystyle, your are great my friend.... but you may have misinterpreted a small bit of my initial posting. Actually, I guess I could have chosen any freshmen quarterback that has received an opportunity to "redshirt" thus far this season. However, I chose "Jameis Winston" simply due to the almost "identical" physical aspects that are very relative to Tyrone Swoopes..... oh, and before I forget, did I fail to mention that they are both freshmen.... The ridiculous "politics / hoopla" concerning why Jameis Winston "did not" become a Texas player..... actually just does not concern me at all. My only concern as per my initial post, was the overall comparisons of each player's "physical / almost identical" attributes in lieu of their freshmen status. This shall be in lieu of what each player is now able to accomplish upon the field of play..... as per their "player development" programs at each their respective schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dropshot_7 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I agree with your premise, but I think you're missing the mark on the whole freshman thing. A redshirt freshman and true freshman are not the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomAir34 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Winston was not coming to Texas. That was just more smoke and mirrors. Swoopes is not the next starter at Texas, like the kid but think Heard will leap frog him, if Heard stays committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell McPhaul Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Winston was not coming to Texas. That was just more smoke and mirrors. Swoopes is not the next starter at Texas, like the kid but think Heard will leap frog him, if Heard stays committed. Thanks for stopping by! Heard is solid whether Brown is here of not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiggystyle Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Thiggystyle, your are great my friend.... but you may have misinterpreted a small bit of my initial posting. Actually, I guess I could have chosen any freshmen quarterback that has received an opportunity to "redshirt" thus far this season. However, I chose "Jameis Winston" simply due to the almost "identical" physical aspects that are very relative to Tyrone Swoopes..... oh, and before I forget, did I fail to mention that they are both freshmen.... The ridiculous "politics / hoopla" concerning why Jameis Winston "did not" become a Texas player..... actually just does not concern me at all. My only concern as per my initial post, was the overall comparisons of each player's "physical / almost identical" attributes in lieu of their freshmen status. This shall be in lieu of what each player is now able to accomplish upon the field of play..... as per their "player development" programs at each their respective schools. Ok yeah, I can see your point. Of course to be fair, and as dropshot pointed out Winston is a red shirt freshman (read sophomore) and Swoopes is a true freshman. I am not trying to belittle you or your point but I do think there is a big difference in the two. Swoopes is still trying to find his way to his classes.... Coming from a 2A school and twon with a population of 1,600 people could not have helped prepare him for the overwhelming experience of enrolling at a university of 50k students. But your point about player development is not lost on me either. BTW- I dated a girl in college from Beaumont. So there's that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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