Longhorns -> SEC

[dssl]

New rivalries may form, but to optimize fan interest and revenue they will likely take advantage of existing rivalries whenever possible. 

What I wonder about is if the SEC decides to expand beyond 16 how the schedule would work. If they went to 18 teams and wanted each team to play each other at least every other year then they would either have to play 10 conference games, or reduce the rivalry gamed from 3 to 1.  I suspect that if the B1G expands and Florida State becomes available that the SEC would likely also expand. 

[doc longhorn]

On 3/1/2023 at 7:27 AM, dssl said:

New rivalries may form, but to optimize fan interest and revenue they will likely take advantage of existing rivalries whenever possible. 

What I wonder about is if the SEC decides to expand beyond 16 how the schedule would work. If they went to 18 teams and wanted each team to play each other at least every other year then they would either have to play 10 conference games, or reduce the rivalry gamed from 3 to 1.  I suspect that if the B1G expands and Florida State becomes available that the SEC would likely also expand. 

The SEC is not expanding now or in the near future.  Why would they?  I have said many times - follow the money.

Everyone needs to put on their thinking caps and unencumber themselves with the idea that the media does in any way care about the fans.  Only in the fans ability to pay money for the media presentation.  That's it. Period.  Rivalries create fan interest which in turn creates money.  For the media and for the schools (they don't care about the fans either).

If any conference expands, it dilutes the conference pie and the only way to recover is to press the media to renegotiate for more money, which dilutes the media profits.  Unless they pass to cost to the consumer - us or the corp.'s paying for ads which, again, is passed to...you guessed it, us.

As far as the University of Texas, we generate a river of money - to the media AND to rival schools.  So, no matter what the morons of CS/B want, their thinking people know that playing UT is a gold mine to aggy.  (I say this even though they paid a mediocre coach $75M, guaranteed).

[doc longhorn]

On 2/28/2023 at 10:48 AM, Brad Usrey said:

We also had good QB. Major ?s about QE for me.

Major was not a good QB.  Colt sure was.

[doc longhorn]

4 minutes ago, doc longhorn said:

Major was not a good QB.  Colt sure was.

By-the-way, all the absolutes I post are strictly my opinion.  Thass all.

[dssl]

1 hour ago, doc longhorn said:

The SEC is not expanding now or in the near future.  Why would they?  I have said many times - follow the money.

Everyone needs to put on their thinking caps and unencumber themselves with the idea that the media does in any way care about the fans.  Only in the fans ability to pay money for the media presentation.  That's it. Period.  Rivalries create fan interest which in turn creates money.  For the media and for the schools (they don't care about the fans either).

If any conference expands, it dilutes the conference pie and the only way to recover is to press the media to renegotiate for more money, which dilutes the media profits.  Unless they pass to cost to the consumer - us or the corp.'s paying for ads which, again, is passed to...you guessed it, us.

As far as the University of Texas, we generate a river of money - to the media AND to rival schools.  So, no matter what the morons of CS/B want, their thinking people know that playing UT is a gold mine to aggy.  (I say this even though they paid a mediocre coach $75M, guaranteed).

I agree that the SEC would only expand if it increases the per team revenue. 

If Florida State could somehow become available then I would expect ESPN would be willing to increase the per team payout since it would increase the per team media value.  Also the SEC wouldn't want the B1G to have Florida State in their media foot print. So if Florida State becomes available the SEC will take them. It's harder to imagine Notre Dame wanting to join the SEC, vs the B1G,  but if they want into the SEC it's hard to imagine the SEC would turn them down.

With the way the SEC schedule is projected to works there could be an odd number of teams. Let's say the SEC added only Florida State.  They could then maintain a 9 game schedule using a 2-7-7 format, which seems workable. 

BTW between what aggy has already paid jimbo and what they are on the hook for isn't 75 million,  it's well over 100.

[Sirhornsalot]

2 hours ago, doc longhorn said:

Major was not a good QB.  Colt sure was.

I think he was saying there are major questions at QB (Ewers). He wasn't referring to Major Applewhite.

[Sirhornsalot]

1 hour ago, dssl said:

I agree that the SEC would only expand if it increases the per team revenue. 

If Florida State could somehow become available then I would expect ESPN would be willing to increase the per team payout since it would increase the per team media value.  Also the SEC wouldn't want the B1G to have Florida State in their media foot print. So if Florida State becomes available the SEC will take them. It's harder to imagine Notre Dame wanting to join the SEC, vs the B1G,  but if they want into the SEC it's hard to imagine the SEC would turn them down.

With the way the SEC schedule is projected to works there could be an odd number of teams. Let's say the SEC added only Florida State.  They could then maintain a 9 game schedule using a 2-7-7 format, which seems workable. 

BTW between what aggy has already paid jimbo and what they are on the hook for isn't 75 million,  it's well over 100.

Florida State? Seriously? Its been a trash program and lost a lot of their following during their journey through mediocrity. 

They're just now becoming relevant again. They have no leverage and minimal attractiveness.

I don't think FSU or Miami would jump to the Big 10. Waaayyyy too much traveling in that conference now. From the west coast to the rust belt and even New Jersey, down to Coral Gables. That dog doesn't hunt although I think they'll end up finding that out the hard way.

We're about to find out why we liked regional rivalries so much. 

 

[dssl]

51 minutes ago, Sirhornsalot said:

Florida State? Seriously? Its been a trash program and lost a lot of their following during their journey through mediocrity. 

They're just now becoming relevant again. They have no leverage and minimal attractiveness.

I don't think FSU or Miami would jump to the Big 10. Waaayyyy too much traveling in that conference now. From the west coast to the rust belt and even New Jersey, down to Coral Gables. That dog doesn't hunt although I think they'll end up finding that out the hard way.

We're about to find out why we liked regional rivalries so much. 

 

Florida state reported a football revenue of 161 million in 2022. Obviously they would make even more in the SEC. Rescent on field performance isn't the deciding factor,  if it was Texas wouldn't have gotten an SEC invitation. 

If Florida State had to pick between staying in the ACC, or move to the B1G and get a huge increase in league revenue,  they wouldn't hesitate to go B1G.  Based on travel and regional rivalries you would think that the SEC would be their first choice. 

Again I wouldn't think ESPN or the SEC would want the B1G to plant a flag at a big football school with a large alumni base that sits in the heart of SEC country. 

I'm not sure how successful Florida State will be in negotiating an acceptable ACC buyout, but if/when they can shake loose I would expect that the SEC would be interested. 

[Sirhornsalot]

1 hour ago, dssl said:

Florida state reported a football revenue of 161 million in 2022. Obviously they would make even more in the SEC. Rescent on field performance isn't the deciding factor,  if it was Texas wouldn't have gotten an SEC invitation. 

If Florida State had to pick between staying in the ACC, or move to the B1G and get a huge increase in league revenue,  they wouldn't hesitate to go B1G.  Based on travel and regional rivalries you would think that the SEC would be their first choice. 

Again I wouldn't think ESPN or the SEC would want the B1G to plant a flag at a big football school with a large alumni base that sits in the heart of SEC country. 

I'm not sure how successful Florida State will be in negotiating an acceptable ACC buyout, but if/when they can shake loose I would expect that the SEC would be interested. 

And that is a considerable buy-out.

The Big 10 is pretty much maxed out. The conference is already a geographical mess. Imagine an already struggling UCLA budget having to send all of those athletic teams to perform at Rutgers or even Penn State, then across the country to Florida – and still suck. You're just quadrupling the cost of showing your suckage on the other side of the country. 

Again, you're not talking about regional rivals, so this stands as much a chance at falling on its face as it does working.

The SEC doesn't strike me as a league that would sacrifice a good thing just to keep other conferences from picking up teams in any given state. What happens if Miami wants to go? TCU? Do you keep taking teams just to keep other conferences from getting them?

Call me whatever, but that sounds like a planned crash.

[dssl]

57 minutes ago, Sirhornsalot said:

And that is a considerable buy-out.

The Big 10 is pretty much maxed out. The conference is already a geographical mess. Imagine an already struggling UCLA budget having to send all of those athletic teams to perform at Rutgers or even Penn State, then across the country to Florida – and still suck. You're just quadrupling the cost of showing your suckage on the other side of the country. 

Again, you're not talking about regional rivals, so this stands as much a chance at falling on its face as it does working.

The SEC doesn't strike me as a league that would sacrifice a good thing just to keep other conferences from picking up teams in any given state. What happens if Miami wants to go? TCU? Do you keep taking teams just to keep other conferences from getting them?

Call me whatever, but that sounds like a planned crash.

Miami, TCU and Clemson are all much smaller schools,  so adding them is unlikely to improve the per team SEC payouts like adding Florida State or Notre Dame would.

It remains to be seen how well the B1G national footprint experiment plays out. Will they add more PAC schools and move to pods, to make the travel less horrible? The idea is obviously about trying to complete with the SEC as best they can. Adding Florida State is definitely bad travel wise, but could potentially make the B1G more compelling to the Florida market, which would be profitable and help with recruiting.

Only time will tell, but my prediction is that Florida State will eventually be part of the SEC.