Thoughts and Takeaways: Questions mount during blowout loss in Fayetteville

[Sirhornsalot]

3 hours ago, Johnny Depp said:

No. Game 1 Card looked great and Casey got garbage time.

Card looked okay, not great. And in hindsight, we can now see that Louisiana wasn't what they were hyped to be. After our win over them, they barely beat Nicholls State this past week, AT HOME. (27-24)

Casey's latest garbage time has caused a real question as to who starts this week. Card couldn't do much of anything this past Saturday. He's just too slow and non-mobile.

 

[Hiwood]

2 hours ago, Sirhornsalot said:

Card looked okay, not great. And in hindsight, we can now see that Louisiana wasn't what they were hyped to be. After our win over them, they barely beat Nicholls State this past week, AT HOME. (27-24)

Casey's latest garbage time has caused a real question as to who starts this week. Card couldn't do much of anything this past Saturday. He's just too slow and non-mobile.

 

You do realize HC was considered a dual  threat QB in HS and used to play WR at Austin Lake Travis, so how can you can say he is slow and non mobile ....

[longhorn_mig]

2 hours ago, Hiwood said:

You do realize HC was considered a dual  threat QB in HS and used to play WR at Austin Lake Travis, so how can you can say he is slow and non mobile ....

I don't think he's slow and non-mobile, but his pocket presence is severely lacking at this point. He's young and doesn't have the same seasoning as Casey, but as someone said earlier, you can't burden the prospects of the team in favor of the development of one player. Reports from practice were that Hudson had issues with pocket presence and taking bad sacks. That's clearly played out. As for Casey, he apparently had issues with INTs. We'll see if that plays out. I'm sure it will at some point.

Full disclosure, I've been for Casey Thompson starting going back to the spring. 

Edited September 13, 2021 by longhorn_mig

[zion3d]

I said it in another post.  Different actors but the same movie.  In 7 years we have tried 3 different coaches that to one degree or another was successful before coming to Texas. Once they arrived in Austin the movie stayed the same and we simply circled the block.  The jury is still out on Sark but have to say the direction of the program seems all to familiar. 

I am trying to ask the most pertinent question that I can about what is going on at the University of Texas.  We know about scheming, strength and conditioning, development, etc...  But what is it really that has prevented us from having success over the past 15 years.  I don't know.  I hear its the coaching, the culture, the BMD's... The truth is no one has yet been able to solve the riddle tat is the Texas Longhorn football program.  Possibly someone out there knows just what the problem is but can't get those that have their fingers on the controls of the program to go about fixing it. As a fan the embarrassment and frustration of seeing the same thing year end and year out from the Longhorns is disheartening. We are as consistent on the other side of the leger as Alabama is.  I just wonder how different things would be if Nick Saban was coaching at UT.  I'm not at all saying that its impossible to fix the issues that Texas has had over the past decade and a half.  The question is who other than Saban could slay the dragon and bring the Longhorns back to prominence and make them the elite team that all UT fans wish them to be? 

[83Dee]

7 hours ago, Johnny Depp said:

If Card shortens up on those passes, they might be int's? there is a thing called throwing the receiver open. After seeing our receiver's so far, we are in for a tough year unless we utilize more targets than wide outs. There has been a huge lack of separation, hence the QB holding the ball so long on occasion, no targets. It's not all QB.

Mr Card, is that you? 
 

Hudson will be really good.  I hope he sticks around and develops for the next two years.  But from the Alamo Bowl to today, if you don’t think Casey deserves the starting job you probably never will.  

[Sirhornsalot]

3 hours ago, Hiwood said:

You do realize HC was considered a dual  threat QB in HS and used to play WR at Austin Lake Travis, so how can you can say he is slow and non mobile ....

I watched the game.

He's not a duel threat at this level. 

Card couldn't do anything with his legs. Thompson walked in and scored twice with his legs.

 

[Eastexhorn]

zion3D Wish I knew the answer. Bet Fla. St. USC Neb and several programs are asking same questions.

[Johnny Depp]

2 hours ago, longhorn_mig said:

Hudson had issues with pocket presence and taking bad sacks.

As if there has been any semblance of a pocket... IMO Card knows how to scramble, but he's doing what he's told. Shark has never had a running QB. I don't expect him to warm up to it.

 As I mentioned elsewhere, if you have a backup transfer threat, you let them play as much as you can early, like Rice.. As Shark also said today, this thing ain't over.

[Johnny Depp]

2 hours ago, zion3d said:

I said it in another post.  Different actors but the same movie.  In 7 years we have tried 3 different coaches that to one degree or another was successful before coming to Texas. Once they arrived in Austin the movie stayed the same and we simply circled the block.  The jury is still out on Sark but have to say the direction of the program seems all to familiar. 

I am trying to ask the most pertinent question that I can about what is going on at the University of Texas.  We know about scheming, strength and conditioning, development, etc...  But what is it really that has prevented us from having success over the past 15 years.  I don't know.  I hear its the coaching, the culture, the BMD's... The truth is no one has yet been able to solve the riddle tat is the Texas Longhorn football program.  Possibly someone out there knows just what the problem is but can't get those that have their fingers on the controls of the program to go about fixing it. As a fan the embarrassment and frustration of seeing the same thing year end and year out from the Longhorns is disheartening. We are as consistent on the other side of the leger as Alabama is.  I just wonder how different things would be if Nick Saban was coaching at UT.  I'm not at all saying that its impossible to fix the issues that Texas has had over the past decade and a half.  The question is who other than Saban could slay the dragon and bring the Longhorns back to prominence and make them the elite team that all UT fans wish them to be? 

 The NFL desirability has killed the Horns. We have not/ are not where you go if you want to get paid someday. 

The coaches act as if they have an SEC type roster (where everyone went with NFL ideals) and keep in the starters to a fault. Soft and entitled shit talking allowed after every lame play.

 The desperate guys riding the pine deserve a shot of fresh blood when that happens, and not just in mop up time.

[Sirhornsalot]

1 hour ago, Johnny Depp said:

As if there has been any semblance of a pocket... IMO Card knows how to scramble, but he's doing what he's told. Shark has never had a running QB. I don't expect him to warm up to it.

 As I mentioned elsewhere, if you have a backup transfer threat, you let them play as much as you can early, like Rice.. As Shark also said today, this thing ain't over.

Knowing how to scramble against HS competition is one thing. Against Arkiesaw, he couldn't evade anybody.

Thompson had the very same pocket that Card had, perhaps worse as our OL was whipped by then. Yet, he scored twice rushing, making something out of nothing.

Some QBs have that factor to them. Colt did. Sam did. Obviously Thompson does too.

If you're trying to suggest that Thompson is starting because it's Rice, then you need to hit that laugh emoticon again. lol

 

[NEOkHorn]

3 hours ago, Eastexhorn said:

zion3D Wish I knew the answer. Bet Fla. St. USC Neb and several programs are asking same questions.

The question to me at this point is if Texas is going to be willing to compete with the SEC teams as the SEC teams compete? The existing members and the Sooners for that matter have been doing NIL type stuff long before it was legal. If Texas is going to compete, they better figure out the NIL stuff almost as quickly as they figure out how to win consistently.

Full disclosure, I have never been in favor of bending the rules for championships like some SEC schools have. That said, the new NIL environment should be a huge advantage to Texas given the financial resources they have.

[Eastexhorn]

Yes get NIL started right away! And a great place to start is buying a few OL

[J.B. TexasEx]

5 hours ago, Sirhornsalot said:

I watched the game.

He's not a duel threat at this level. 

Card couldn't do anything with his legs. Thompson walked in and scored twice with his legs.

 

I don't think Card has slow foot speed, but he was indecisive. He played scared, like the stage was too big for him. His inexperience showed.

Thus far, Thompson has been more of a gamer. My hope is he leads us to a blowout of Rice and wins the job for the balance of this season and next.

[J.B. TexasEx]

1 hour ago, NEOkHorn said:

The question to me at this point is if Texas is going to be willing to compete with the SEC teams as the SEC teams compete? The existing members and the Sooners for that matter have been doing NIL type stuff long before it was legal. If Texas is going to compete, they better figure out the NIL stuff almost as quickly as they figure out how to win consistently.

Full disclosure, I have never been in favor of bending the rules for championships like some SEC schools have. That said, the new NIL environment should be a huge advantage to Texas given the financial resources they have.

We just got a verbal commitment from a 4-star DL from Alabama, of all places.

I think our big cigars and bagmen have a good handle on the NIL type stuff. The NCAA has proven toothless, anyway. Time to play hardball.

[david ficken]

21 hours ago, Jameson McCausland said:

While I wouldn't be surprised if they made a few tweaks along the OL, replacing 4 of 5 starters probably isn't happening. Kerstetter has probably been the most consistent lineman through 2 games. Him and Majors are probably both safe. Christian Jones could probably improve in the run game but his pass protection looks improved from a season ago. Sarkisian and Flood are going to have to decide if they want to sacrifice some run blocking for pass protection. Junior Angilau and Denzel Okafor have been the two biggest liabilities when Texas is dropping back to pass but are also supposed to be their two best run blockers. 

I'll  give replacing 4 is too much, but not replacing any and saying that they need more time together is unbelievable.  The guards must start showing differences as does Jones. I get that was his 2nd start at LT, but needs to show growth quickly to keep the LT job.  

[david ficken]

20 hours ago, Johnny Depp said:

If Card shortens up on those passes, they might be int's? there is a thing called throwing the receiver open. After seeing our receiver's so far, we are in for a tough year unless we utilize more targets than wide outs. There has been a huge lack of separation, hence the QB holding the ball so long on occasion, no targets. It's not all QB.

You might should go back and watch the game. Worthy and Moore had multiple steps on defenders and the passes were high and right by several feet. There was no ints possible if accurate  throws.  Sorry mom or however you are related to Hudson.   I might think differently  if it was Washington, Woodard, or others at wrs on those throws.  

[Johnny Depp]

3 hours ago, david ficken said:

You might should go back and watch the game. Worthy and Moore had multiple steps on defenders and the passes were high and right by several feet. There was no ints possible if accurate  throws.  Sorry mom or however you are related to Hudson.   I might think differently  if it was Washington, Woodard, or others at wrs on those throws.  

 That game announcer was so full of shit. "The rotation of the ball makes it tail to the right". As if Card hasn't thrown thousands and thousand of those passes in practice, games and with his personal coach. 

 He may have missed, but he's the most accurate passer on the team. He may have had the yips after multiple sacks? He also may have had to release the ball before the receiver was on the same page? Card repeatedly had to hold the ball with no open receivers, and was under pressure from all directions on almost every pass play. The D knew exactly what we had to do, the scheme played right into their hands. At half Shark said he needs to do a better job keeping his eyes downfield, that means don't run other than behind the line of scrimmage. 

Let's see if the playbook is the same for Casey?

[longhorn_mig]

@J.B. TexasExshared this in another thread...

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by longhorn_mig

[Drb522]

37 minutes ago, Johnny Depp said:

 That game announcer was so full of shit. "The rotation of the ball makes it tail to the right". As if Card hasn't thrown thousands and thousand of those passes in practice, games and with his personal coach. 

 He may have missed, but he's the most accurate passer on the team. He may have had the yips after multiple sacks? He also may have had to release the ball before the receiver was on the same page? Card repeatedly had to hold the ball with no open receivers, and was under pressure from all directions on almost every pass play. The D knew exactly what we had to do, the scheme played right into their hands. At half Shark said he needs to do a better job keeping his eyes downfield, that means don't run other than behind the line of scrimmage. 

Let's see if the playbook is the same for Casey?

When a right hand qb is moving to his right the commentator is correct.  Standing in the pocket that is incorrect.  

[Drb522]

11 minutes ago, longhorn_mig said:

@J.B. TexasExshared this in another thread...

 

That makes me feel better that Alex Loeb  could see open Recievers that I never saw cutting across the middle.  ESPN’s cameras must have blind spots

[longhorn_mig]

Sometimes there's just no reasoning with people...

[Johnny Depp]

13 hours ago, J.B. TexasEx said:

I don't think Card has slow foot speed, but he was indecisive. He played scared, like the stage was too big for him. His inexperience showed.

Thus far, Thompson has been more of a gamer. My hope is he leads us to a blowout of Rice and wins the job for the balance of this season and next.

Thompson has no edge in experience. Standing on the sidelines doesn't count.

[Sirhornsalot]

46 minutes ago, Johnny Depp said:

Thompson has no edge in experience. Standing on the sidelines doesn't count.

Good Lord. 

Nevermind that bowl game. lol

Your cheerleading seems to have head-on collisions with reality.

[Johnny Depp]

55 minutes ago, Sirhornsalot said:

Good Lord. 

Nevermind that bowl game. lol

Your cheerleading seems to have head-on collisions with reality.

They have almost the same career minutes, attempts. Neither has more than 2 whole games under their belt.

[83Dee]

On 9/13/2021 at 12:46 AM, david ficken said:

The OL hopefully changes to something like Karic -LT, Johnson-LG, Majors-C, Connor/Parr-RG, and Hookfin/Garth/Connor- RT. Anything is better than what we have seen for the 1st 2 weeks. Plus, most of the OL recruits need to differences in the OL to get them to commit.

Personally both QBs need to play. Who starts is mute against teams like Rice and a few others. But in bigger games  and hostile  environment like in 3 weeks at TCU and the following week against  OK we should have Casey start. Card maybe the more talented  player, but he is still a redshirt freshman that was not able to throw a deep pass accurately. 

It's  to bad that officials aren't constant on targeting calls. 

I agree with your first paragraph 100%.

We have 2 QBs who are “good athletes.”  Both were recruited to run the Tom Herman offense.  I disagree that Card is a better athlete.  I think Sark went with him solely because of his arm tools:  strength and tight spiral.

I actually think Thompson is a better runner (though Card may be faster).  Thompson is better at avoiding the rush (which is of upmost importance with this line).  Thompson is much more accurate on anything over 20 yards downfield, cooler in the pocket.  And.... a more vocal leader   

Card will be very very good.  Perhaps great!  He’s a freshman for crying out loud. But IMHO it’s a no brainer as to who starts and stays in the game unless the game is already decided.