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Folks, I'm beginning to think we're going to need a redo on this election. I know its unheard of but there is no credibility left in the process we're currently conducting. Rampant cheating on a scale

Happy Thanksgiving my fellow patriots.  🦃🇺🇸

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3 hours ago, dillohorn said:

He will never give you an answer.

 

It appears you are right. 

I wonder if they even know which policies they support or oppose from either candidate.  I am sure some people hate Trump's style and his rants.  I get it as sometimes I don't like it either but I would rather have the President be truthful and not politically correct than be a typical politician lying to the American people with every breath while selling them out.  Politicians like that are on both sides.  Trump is not a politician.  Trump doesn't sell out our future to foreign countries.  I truly believe he is a patriot and that is why I will always support him.  America first.  Somehow "America First" is considered racist and evil.  Seriously, stop and think about that for a second and you will realize how much the left hates America and is willing to twist everything to feed a narrative.  Its truly pathetic.

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1 hour ago, DMAC said:

 

It appears you are right. 

I wonder if they even know which policies they support or oppose from either candidate.  I am sure some people hate Trump's style and his rants.  I get it as sometimes I don't like it either but I would rather have the President be truthful and not politically correct than be a typical politician lying to the American people with every breath while selling them out.  Politicians like that are on both sides.  Trump is not a politician.  Trump doesn't sell out our future to foreign countries.  I truly believe he is a patriot and that is why I will always support him.  America first.  Somehow "America First" is considered racist and evil.  Seriously, stop and think about that for a second and you will realize how much the left hates America and is willing to twist everything to feed a narrative.  Its truly pathetic.

Trump and truth in the same sentence. Really?

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2 hours ago, sailorman said:

Trump and truth in the same sentence. Really?

Name one lie Trump has told the people.  If you bring up the SARS-Cov2 and Bob Woodard interview then you must admit the entire rapid response team got it wrong and lied.  Including the lefts beloved Dr. Fauci, the CDC, the Surgeon General, Congressional oversight and many other Democrat shills who are on Biden transition team were wrong and lied.  Also Biden's own statement about hysterical and xenophobic for closing off travel from China, only claim thats not what he meant when he tweeted it.  Trump isn't an expert in infectious diseases.  Presidents rely on these so called experts.  They were wrong about everything and flip-flopped constantly so don't single Trump out unless you are going to hold everyone to the same standard.  Whether the virus is the bane of human kind is another topic but I know its not.  I do my own research and dont get my opinions from the news or politicians.

Also Biden is the beacon honesty and humility?  The same guy who dropped out of a Presidential race because of his numerous blatant lies.  Maybe you mean the Russia conspiracy lies that spread for 2 years but amounted to nothing.  Still waiting on this hard evidence Schiff told everyone he had.  Politicians lie repeatedly to the American people.  Even Obama repeated "If you like your Doctor you can keep him, if you like your health plan you can keep it" - 29 times.  I lost my plan and Doctor when the ACA was passed and implemented.  Triple the deductible and 250% increase in premium.  So even the phrase Affordable Care Act is a lie.

One obvious lie since you are keen to pointing them out is your own.  You claim you are centrist.  Yea right.  Name your policy stances for everyone to see.  The only thing I have seen is you calling people Trumpers and how Trump is most dangerous President in history.  Ok how so?  Enlighten us all on the impending doom of Trump, the first President in 20 years not get the US into a foreign war and yet still manage Middle East peace.  Explain yourself with something meaningful not parroting garbage from CNN.  You are not a centrist so look to yourself before calling out others.

You also spoke about the virus and it wasn't some conspiracy yet you never once responded to my challenge to read the research done by John P A Ioannidis.  If you did and I missed it then point me to it.  You make these claims to believe scientists then when I point you to the expert of experts, you fade away.  If you are going to try and buck up then f##king do it.  Don't be a flake.

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31 minutes ago, DMAC said:

Name one lie Trump has told the people.  If you bring up the SARS-Cov2 and Bob Woodard interview then you must admit the entire rapid response team lies.  Dr. Fauci, your beloved CDC, the Surgeon General, Congressional oversight and many others who are on Biden transition team were wrong and lied.  Also Biden's own statement in about hysterically closing off travel from China.  Trump isn't an expert in infectious diseases.  Presidents rely on your so called experts.  They were wrong about everything and flip-flopped constantly so don't single Trump out unless you are going to hold everyone to the same standard. 

Also Biden is the beacon honesty and humility?  The same guy who dropped out of a Presidential race because of his blatant lies numerous times.  Maybe you mean the Russia conspiracy lies that spread for 2 years but amounted to nothing.  Every single politician has lied repeatedly to the American people.  Even Obama repeated if you like your Dr you can keep him 29 times.  As I lost my plan and Doctor when the ACA was passed and implemented.  Triple the deductible and 250% increase in premium.

One obvious lie since you are keen to pointing them out is your own.  You claim you are centrist.  Yea right.  Name your policy stances for everyone to see.  The only thing I have seen is you calling people Trumpers and how Trump is unfit.  You are no centrist so look to yourself before calling out others.

You also spoke about the virus and it wasn't some conspiracy yet you never once responded to my challenge to read the research done by John P A Ioannidis.  If you did and missed it then point me to it.  So you make these claims to believe scientists then when I point you to the expert of experts you fade away.  If you are going to try and buck up then f##king do it.  Dont be a flake.

It's been well documented, maybe outside of Fox news, that Trump is an habitual liar. If you truly believe Trump hasn't lied to the people, then it's clearly a waste of time to talk about this.  No,  Trump did not rely on his expert advisors and misrepresented the danger of the virus early on. I don't know who your expert is but the vast majority of infectious disease experts defy Trumps handling of the virus. 

I'm not a liberal. I was a VP at the largest bank in Texas for 12 years. Very conservative bank. I was Republican then. I was on the floor, probably 20' from the podium at Reagan's 1980 Republican convention acceptance speech in Dallas. And voted for him. The conservatism then is vastly differently from now.

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4 hours ago, UT1983 said:

Reminds me when I voted and all the young black girls in front of me knew they just wanted to vote for Obama.  Didn’t have a clue to anyone on the Democratic ticket besides him.  All they kept saying to the poll worker is we just want to vote for Obama. 

This is sad but true.  So many interviews of these people revealed they voted for him simply because he was black.  They couldnt name one policy.  Everyone knows this and yet this type voter ignorance is spun as a "hero" to black people.  To think they are proud of it as well is an entire new level of ignorant arrogance.

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45 minutes ago, sailorman said:

It's been well documented, maybe outside of Fox news, that Trump is an habitual liar. If you truly believe Trump hasn't lied to the people, then it's clearly a waste of time to talk about this.  No,  Trump did not rely on his expert advisors and misrepresented the danger of the virus early on. I don't know who your expert is but the vast majority of infectious disease experts defy Trumps handling of the virus. 

I'm not a liberal. I was a VP at the largest bank in Texas for 12 years. Very conservative bank. I was Republican then. I was on the floor, probably 20' from the podium at Reagan's 1980 Republican convention acceptance speech in Dallas. And voted for him. The conservatism then is vastly differently from now.

 

So you are a banker and somehow that makes you a centrist.  I must have missed that memo.  Explaining your job for the last 12 years is not policy.  What policies of Trumps do you oppose/support?  Bidens?

Again more substance other than "well documented".  I didnt ask the AP or Reuters, I asked you.  Again the Fox comment, do you even read my posts?   Show me proof Trump did not listen to his advisers.  How do you know this?  So you dont know who Ioannidis is.  Thats fine but he is recognized as the worlds authority of infectious diseases and pathogens at Standford.  The report is about 47 pages with references.  Peer reviewed and publish on the WHO bulletin.  But according to you many other "experts" dont align with him?  Would it surprise you know that over 49133 public health scientists, infectious disease experts and medical practitioners dont agree with Fauci?  Does that fit your "vast majority" definition?

Dont run away we are just getting warmed up brother.  I am here with open arms, lets dance. 

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29 minutes ago, DMAC said:

 

So you are a banker and somehow that makes you a centrist.  I must have missed that memo.  Explaining your job for the last 12 years is not policy. 

Again more substance other than "well documented".  I didnt ask the AP or Reuters I asked you.  Again the Fox comment, do you even read my posts?   BTW give me proof Trump did not listen to his advisers.  How do you know this? 

Dont run away we are just getting warmed up brother.  I am here with open arms, lets dance. 

Do you have

 free time on your hands?

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Here is just a sample of the experts that do not believe in the so called pandemic.  Are they just conspiracy nuts?

Dr. JOHN P.A. IOANNIDIS, MD, DSC, holds the C.F. Rehnborg Chair in Disease Prevention at Stanford University

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA
Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland
Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany
Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany
Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden
Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA
Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England
Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England
Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England
Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada
Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA. Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England
Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India
Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA
Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA
Dr. Salmaan Keshavjee, professor of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School, USA
Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA
Tom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA
Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany
Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel
Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England

 

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9 minutes ago, DMAC said:

Here is just a sample of the experts that do not believe in the so called pandemic.  Are they just conspiracy nuts?

Dr. JOHN P.A. IOANNIDIS, MD, DSC, holds the C.F. Rehnborg Chair in Disease Prevention at Stanford UniversityDr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA
Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland
Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany
Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany
Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden
Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA
Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England
Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England
Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England
Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada
Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA. Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England
Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India
Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA
Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA
Dr. Salmaan Keshavjee, professor of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School, USA
Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA
Tom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA
Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany
Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel
Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England

 

I don"t know.  Are these real people ? To make your point would you please send me their articles or presentations supporting their positions so as to ascertain their conclusions?

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12 minutes ago, sailorman said:

I don"t know.  Are these real people ? To make your point would you please send me their articles or presentations supporting their positions so as to ascertain their conclusions?

https://gbdeclaration.org/

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Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.

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How Dangerous is the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the COVID-19 disease? 

It is important to distinguish between the risk of infection and the risk of death. Anyone can get infected, but there is more than a thousand-fold difference in the risk of death between the oldest and youngest. For old people, COVID-19 is more dangerous than the annual influenza. For children, the COVID-19 mortality risk is less than for the annual influenza

 

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