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3 minutes ago, texbound said:

I tend to agree with this assessment.  I do think a new DB coach is needed.  I like Washington, but their DBs play too soft most of the time.  I rarely see them jam at the LOS in m2m situations.  

Also, i think Drayton needs to be retained.  He has done a great job with Romo and got him prepared the right way.  Also, Im not sure how many fumbles were lost this year by the Tbs but it wasn't many. Plus, Drayton had a bare cupboard for most of the season.

I just think if you’re having to gut  the staff you should just start all over.

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No excuses but I was looking at our two deep and man we’re a young team and stack the massive amount of injuries it just hurt. I do think we need to see some changes but keep recruiting good and we should see better days ahead. I’m hopeful anyway 

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It was good to see the team we all expected this season to show up today. We saw a 9-3 type team today. 

A couple of things I didn't like was the offense constantly running the play clock down to less than 5 seconds. Another slow start for the team as a whole.

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1 hour ago, Drb522 said:

Pick and choose the games you want to look at.  Walk off FG to beat Kansas, losing to Iowa State, Baylor, TCU and others are still in there too.  If you want to be elite as a program you can’t have a funk that bogs you down.  You just can’t.  

I'm not sure why you're real upset about the Baylor loss. They're 10-1 right now. You didn't mention OU but they're the very same 10-1.

I don't think the Big 12 was as weak as you're making it out to be.

We're not an elite program yet. Its obviously still a work in progress.

 

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8 minutes ago, Sirhornsalot said:

I'm not sure why you're real upset about the Baylor loss. They're 10-1 right now. You didn't mention OU but they're the very same 10-1.

I don't think the Big 12 was as weak as you're making it out to be.

We're not an elite program yet. Its obviously still a work in progress.

 

Because Texas has far more talent than Baylor. If you think otherwise you’re crazy.  I also think most people felt like worse case scenario was losses to lsu and OU.  
 

Texas has a ton of talent.  Far more than their record shows.  I guess since they beat a 4-7 tech team and scored 50 that everybody is willing to give Herman the benefit of the doubt

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1 hour ago, Drb522 said:

Pick and choose the games you want to look at.  Walk off FG to beat Kansas, losing to Iowa State, Baylor, TCU and others are still in there too.  If you want to be elite as a program you can’t have a funk that bogs you down.  You just can’t.  

This the the problem with planting a 'Fire Coach' flag too soon. Now if Herman turns it around you won't be able to enjoy it due to continually having to prove he should've been fired in the first place. This happened with Mack also, btw, with some never fully able to enjoy the success because they were so adamant he should've been fired after one of the ou losses. 

Word of advice, at least give yourself an out. If we win a bowl game then we finish the season 8-5. That's not horrible, even if not where anyone expected when the season began. If they figure some things out then this 4 game slump can be forgotten.   

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Wow! Being a longhorn fan means you need to have low expectations.

 

"Rome wasn't built in a day," Ehlinger said per Jim Vertuno of the Associated Press. "If you had told Texas fans three years ago that we would have seven wins and headed to a bowl game and had a chance to win eight, I think people would be pretty happy...Overall, we did a great job."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2864785-texas-qb-sam-ehlinger-thinks-fans-would-be-pretty-happy-with-7-or-8-win-season

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18 minutes ago, Drb522 said:

Because Texas has far more talent than Baylor. If you think otherwise you’re crazy.  I also think most people felt like worse case scenario was losses to lsu and OU.  
 

Texas has a ton of talent.  Far more than their record shows.  I guess since they beat a 4-7 tech team and scored 50 that everybody is willing to give Herman the benefit of the doubt

Here's a spotlight example. They have Denzel Mims, a SR. We have Collin Johnson.

One will be AA. The other stays injured.

But when both healthy, I'm still not sure Mims isn't better.

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28 minutes ago, primal defense said:

Wow! Being a longhorn fan means you need to have low expectations.

 

"Rome wasn't built in a day," Ehlinger said per Jim Vertuno of the Associated Press. "If you had told Texas fans three years ago that we would have seven wins and headed to a bowl game and had a chance to win eight, I think people would be pretty happy...Overall, we did a great job."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2864785-texas-qb-sam-ehlinger-thinks-fans-would-be-pretty-happy-with-7-or-8-win-season

Wow! Sam saying things he shouldn't, again.

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1 hour ago, Baron said:

It was good to see the team we all expected this season to show up today. We saw a 9-3 type team today. 

A couple of things I didn't like was the offense constantly running the play clock down to less than 5 seconds. Another slow start for the team as a whole.

Yes they played better today, but there was still blunders and a couple scores left on the field.

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36 minutes ago, Captain Hookem said:

This the the problem with planting a 'Fire Coach' flag too soon. Now if Herman turns it around you won't be able to enjoy it due to continually having to prove he should've been fired in the first place. This happened with Mack also, btw, with some never fully able to enjoy the success because they were so adamant he should've been fired after one of the ou losses. 

Word of advice, at least give yourself an out. If we win a bowl game then we finish the season 8-5. That's not horrible, even if not where anyone expected when the season began. If they figure some things out then this 4 game slump can be forgotten.   

I’ve seen enough.  I won’t even be able to get excited about the season next year.  It’s not just the W-L record that peeves me.  It’s how some of the W-L’s were gained.  Yea I get the injuries.  They happen.  Alabama lost 3 starters on D and still won 11.  Teams that recruit well have depth.  This staff hasn’t developed any depth after 3 good classes.  

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29 minutes ago, Sirhornsalot said:

Here's a spotlight example. They have Denzel Mims, a SR. We have Collin Johnson.

One will be AA. The other stays injured.

But when both healthy, I'm still not sure Mims isn't better.

Texas should have depth.  Plain and simple.  Who does that fall on?  

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1 minute ago, Drb522 said:

I’ve seen enough.  I won’t even be able to get excited about the season next year.  It’s not just the W-L record that peeves me.  It’s how some of the W-L’s were gained.  Yea I get the injuries.  They happen.  Alabama lost 3 starters on D and still won 11.  Teams that recruit well have depth.  This staff hasn’t developed any depth after 3 good classes.  

There will be no excuse for failure next year. Texas graduates a small class this year and several lettermen come back on both sides of the ball. The Longhorns have started at least 14 first and 2nd year players per Herman.

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25 minutes ago, Sirhornsalot said:

Here's a spotlight example. They have Denzel Mims, a SR. We have Collin Johnson.

One will be AA. The other stays injured.

But when both healthy, I'm still not sure Mims isn't better.

Example: 3 years ago we hire the hottest coach in the country. 2 of the biggest football hotbeds were fighting over him. We got him. We have had top 3, 5 and 25 recruiting classes over the past 3 years. 

3 years ago bailor was known as “rape-u”, and probably should have been given the smu business and shut down. We actually took some of their players AND recruits. Recruiting classes outside the top 25 for 3 straight years. 

So who should be better? Injuries be damned. 

And I’m a Herman fan! 

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2 minutes ago, Drb522 said:

I’ve seen enough.  I won’t even be able to get excited about the season next year.  It’s not just the W-L record that peeves me.  It’s how some of the W-L’s were gained.  Yea I get the injuries.  They happen.  Alabama lost 3 starters on D and still won 11.  Teams that recruit well have depth.  This staff hasn’t developed any depth after 3 good classes.  

Sooo if you are comparing Texas to bama and acting like they are at the same stage of program development, then yeah... you have some expectation issues. 

I have problems with the depth also, but understand that 3 years is not enough not time to develop a roster full of senior leadership plus experienced backups. We over-achieved a little last year, and that put higher expectations on this season than would normally be expected of a 3rd year HC. Plus he's dealing with the weight of 10 years of frustration from a fanbase.   

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1 minute ago, Captain Hookem said:

Sooo if you are comparing Texas to bama and acting like they are at the same stage of program development, then yeah... you have some expectation issues. 

I have problems with the depth also, but understand that 3 years is not enough not time to develop a roster full of senior leadership plus experienced backups. We over-achieved a little last year, and that put higher expectations on this season than would normally be expected of a 3rd year HC. Plus he's dealing with the weight of 10 years of frustration from a fanbase.   

He also did a poor job this season. Those are Herman's words not mine.

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8 minutes ago, primal defense said:

He also did a poor job this season. Those are Herman's words not mine.

Did he say he deserved to be fired... or do you only use his quotes when you find them convenient?

Yes, he really struggled this season, but as I've said elsewhere he made a young coach mistake by taking on too many tasks... in this instance trying to also be an OC and running this offense by committee thing they had going. That prevented him from being able to see (and likely fell through the cracks in the offensive process) of having receivers behind Collin and Devin ready to step up and play.

Of everything that happened this season I firmly believe the lack of depth (not of talent but preparedness) absolutely brought the offense to a grind the last 4 weeks. He gets a chance to fix this with a new offensive direction.   

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8 minutes ago, Captain Hookem said:

Sooo if you are comparing Texas to bama and acting like they are at the same stage of program development, then yeah... you have some expectation issues. 

I have problems with the depth also, but understand that 3 years is not enough not time to develop a roster full of senior leadership plus experienced backups. We over-achieved a little last year, and that put higher expectations on this season than would normally be expected of a 3rd year HC. Plus he's dealing with the weight of 10 years of frustration from a fanbase.   

Strictly recruiting and building depth.  You’ve got to build depth to become elite.  They build depth, have injuries, then plug and play.  That’s how you build elite programs.  Texas can recruit, but hasn’t developed yet

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1 hour ago, Oldmanastro said:

Example: 3 years ago we hire the hottest coach in the country. 2 of the biggest football hotbeds were fighting over him. We got him. We have had top 3, 5 and 25 recruiting classes over the past 3 years. 

3 years ago bailor was known as “rape-u”, and probably should have been given the smu business and shut down. We actually took some of their players AND recruits. Recruiting classes outside the top 25 for 3 straight years. 

So who should be better? Injuries be damned. 

And I’m a Herman fan! 

Yes, Collins SHOULD be better than MIms. But he's not. 

It seems to me you're suggesting that the problem here is the perception of the fan. Hottest hire and hottest coach – until he gets to Texas. Most talent between the coasts, but can't be coached at Texas. Even when we're given presents under the tree by Baylor (two OL who hardly ever played a down here). You have a point.

I guess you'll have to refresh my memory. I do not remember any Baylor transfers to Texas. You said we took some of their players.

 

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