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Guido said LSU -6.5 and LSU had 70% chance of win.

Dead on on both, points as close as possible and IMO if they played 10 times LSU would win 7 times.


LSU rushed slow to prevent Sam from running and because they didn't fear his throwing nearly as much as his running.  WRONG!  Sam can throw.  Excellent passer.  And he still ran well.

LSU screwed up at the half.  Protocol is to get IVs at half but players felt OK and didn't want them, coach allowed them to skip IVs.  Then D players went down repeatedly, several starters had to be taken to locker room for IVs in 2nd half.

Difference between the teams IMO was experience.  Both have uber talent and will win a lot of games.


I said on this board that Sam wasn't that much better than Jeaux, and that LSU has 3 WRs that will go to NFL.  Think results show my analysis wasn't blowing smoke.


T'was a fantastic game.  Both teams continue to load up on talent.  Expect another classic next year.

LSU loses QB, his back-up is better passer but not as good QB.  Loses 1 WR but 3 of the top 37 hs prospects in the nation are WRs committed to LSU.  Otherwise LSU doesn't figure to be as good; several guys came back instead of going to draft as JRs, thus will lose more than usual after this season.  Thus expect young Horn team to close the small gap.


LSU coaches and players claim that their dressing room a/c didn't work.  Horn AD says it did work.  Wonder who controlled the thermostat?

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Coach Ed Orgeron earned the Dodd Trophy as coach of the week.

Orgeron now has a 27-9 record at LSU, which includes a dozen wins over teams ranked in the top 25.

Orgeron said we’re not going to see DEs Glen Logan or Rashard Lawrence this week, and that outside linebacker K’Lavon Chaisson is questionable for Saturday’s game. Chaisson is currently in a boot after injuring his ankle.

Orgeron was not pleased with was the team’s lack of pass rush. “We got what we call a bull rush from the inside guys and not let him run out the pocket, but it did (NOT?) work.” he said. “If we do it again, I would go ahead and rush them the whole time,” he added.

Asked about all the cramping in the game, Orgeron revealed that Texas didn’t have air-conditioning in the visitor locker room. Of course, that was not the most significant factor. “I don’t think that caused as much as going out there and having to play 93 plays on defense,” he said. Orgeron also said the staff has talked about needing to get the players more IVs at halftime.


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LSU junior safety JaCoby Stevens said the Tigers have learned a lesson after giving up the most passing yards in nearly a decade.

At first it will sound cliché. Glib, even.

"I feel like we need to respect our opponents," Stevens said Monday.

Told you.

Hold on — don't close the web browser yet  — there's more truth in the answer than at first glance, and it goes down to the root of the failed game plan that led to Texas quarterback Sam Ehlinger throwing for 401 yards and four touchdowns in LSU's 45-38 win in Austin, Texas.

Remember those comments before that top 10 showdown even began? How outside linebacker K'Lavon Chaisson said Ehlinger uses his legs more than his arms?

LSU coach Ed Orgeron said Ehlinger reminded him of Florida's former Heisman winner Tim Tebow — a dynamic dual-threat quarterback who was often criticized for his throwing mechanics — but added that Ehlinger is "a better thrower.

Orgeron made it clear he believed Ehlinger "can throw the football." He was just more concerned about the Longhorn's threat as a runner and built a game plan focused on that danger.

Orgeron had his defensive linemen execute what he called a "cage rush," in which the linemen bull rush their blockers to box in the opposing quarterback. Chaisson was also sent off the edge to jam another blocker into the pocket, creating pressure on the quarterback.

That kind of scheme won't produce many sacks, since the majority of the rushers aren't truly attempting to get into the backfield. But it still followed a long-held theory by New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick that pressure on the quarterback can lead to more bad plays than sacks do.

In other words, if Ehlinger was going to beat LSU, he was going to have do it with his arm, going against a Tigers secondary that Orgeron said is the best he's ever coached.

Ehlinger did beat the LSU defense as a passer, and if LSU quarterback Joe Burrow hadn't matched Ehlinger with the second-best passing performance in school history, it may have been the Longhorns who'd have the inside track to the College Football Playoff.

The defensive game plan didn't show anything definitive through Texas' second drive of the game. There was both success and struggle.

On first-and-10 at the LSU 36, Tigers defensive end Glen Logan shoved the left guard nearly into Ehlinger, and the quarterback was still able to complete a 28-yard pass to Brennan Eagles down the left sideline.

The very next play, defensive end Rashard Lawrence overpowered the Texas right guard and was able to swat Ehlinger's pass attempt incomplete. It was the first play in what would be LSU's first of two goal line stands.

The plan began to unravel in the second quarter, when Ehlinger went 6 of 13 passing for 89 yards and a touchdown.

Ehlinger converted a third-and-4 by completing a six-yard pass despite LSU nose tackle Tyler Shelvin driving the left guard into the pocket, and Ehlinger threw a 55-yard touchdown to Eagles on a third-and-10 to give Texas a 7-3 lead.

These were the kind of game situations in which Orgeron had said in the preseason he wanted to unchain the defensive line and let them be as aggressive as the ones he'd coached at Miami and Southern Cal.

He tabled the attacking scheme against Georgia Southern's gun option in Week 1, and Orgeron said Monday if he could go back and plan the Texas game again "I would go ahead and rush them the whole time."image.thumb.png.a3c0fdd440f8cfbb3396bfe9834e047a.png

Instead, LSU defensive coordinator Dave Aranda came up with another formation within the same game plan to create a pass rush (pictured right). It used two defensive linemen — Lawrence and Justin Thomas — who drew double teams from both guards and tackles. Inside linebacker Patrick Queen blitzed inside to draw the Texas center toward the left side of the field, which left open a free lane for Chaisson to stunt inside and sack Ehlinger.

"It was a good job by Dave," Orgeron said. "Dave kept working throughout the game, scheming to get a pass rush, and he finally got a couple of little breaks there at the end."

But LSU returned to its original game plan in the second half, and the Longhorns scored on every possession.

On a third-and-6 during Texas' first drive of the second half, Ehlinger completed an eight-yard slant to the LSU 30 with Lawrence jamming the left tackle into the pocket.

Three plays later, Lawrence looped wide to contain Ehlinger from running on a third-and-9, and the quarterback completed a 12-yard pass down the sideline to the LSU 17.

Ehlinger rushed for a two-yard touchdown that drive to pull the Longhorns within 20-14.

Texas was 4-for-4 on third downs in the third quarter, including a 20-yard touchdown pass that Ehlinger snuck under the reaching LSU safety Todd Harris to pull within 23-21.

The Tigers had the same "cage" rush on that play.

"(Ehlinger) did a hell of a job adapting to that and still made plays," Chaisson said.

Orgeron said he was "disappointed" with the way LSU "let them score the way we did," but history might be on his side.

The last time LSU gave up more than 400 yards passing in a single game? A 47-21 win over West Virginia in 2011 when LSU gave up 463 yards. That defense eventually ranked No. 2 nationally with 11.3 points allowed per game.

A solution must come, since LSU has plenty of dual-threat quarterbacks remaining on the schedule, from Florida's Feleipe Franks to the Alabama's Heisman frontrunner Tua Tagovailoa.

And if the Tigers stay ranked within the nation's top 4 teams and make the College Football Playoff, it's possible they could face Oklahoma's Jalen Hurts, who leads the nation's quarterbacks in rushing with 223 yards and three touchdowns.

But that's getting a little ahead of things.

For now, that solution can remain simply said.

"If you don't respect your opponent, things like this are going to happen," Stevens said. "You're going to give up 400 yards passing if you don't respect the pass. Sam is a good quarterback. He's definitely going to be playing on Sundays."




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On 9/9/2019 at 11:58 PM, psybj said:



LSU coaches and players claim that their dressing room a/c didn't work.  Horn AD says it did work.  Wonder who controlled the thermostat?

I can clear up this mystery for you. This comes down to the fact that your coach is slimy cheating piece of shit. 

I have not seen one player quoted about the air condition and that's because this is the Big O's lie.

You seem to be wearing out your welcome with your updates on LSU football that no one here cares about. I'm sure your future opponent the aggies will appreciate your LSU football updates.


Skip Holtz wants no part of LSU-Texas locker room spat



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This is from the Arkansas board all the way back in 2010. He's been a real slime for a long time.  

I remember when he took over for Kiffen at USC and he talked about how important the team was to him. When he didn't get the job, he quit the team before the bowl game. Shows how much he cared about his players he was always harping about.

The guy is dumb enough to drink 8-10 Red Bulls a day.  His history shows he's the type of guy to tell his defensive players to fake injuries and then blames UT.



Ed Orgeron’s rap sheet is lengthy. 

In 1991 as an assistant at Miami, (wikipedia) “a "permanent injunction of protection" was granted to a woman by a Dade County court against Orgeron prohibiting "any act of domestic violence." Orgeron was ordered into a 26-week domestic violence counseling program.” 

In 1992, still an assistant at Miami, he was arrested in a bar fight in Baton Rouge. You know something is wrong when you’ve done five years at Miami, then get back into coaching after a year hiatus at Nichols State. 

At Southern Cal earlier this decade, Orgeron was THE recruiting coordinator while Reggie Bush made off with that $100K. 

At Ole Miss, Orgeron’s very first meeting with the team, he referenced his own new players as MF’s. In the heat of the moment, that’s not even acceptable. Would it be okay for a history professor to tell his class, first day, “All you MF’s are going to learn a lot in this history class”? 

After Hurricane Katrina, with Tulane’s program in shambles (before they were able to share facilities with Louisiana Tech, and thus keep playing the season), Orgeron called Greg Davis’ son, and Tulane assistant, and tried to begin poaching players for Ole Miss from the Tulane program. Davis turned him in. Nothing ever came of it after Orgeron pretended he didn’t know it was a violation. 

Highly ticked Tulane head coach Chris Scelfo said of Orgeron, "there's people in our business who do not belong in our business". Scelfo was correct. 

At Tennessee all the sudden - Orgeron having only been there a year - six “minor” NCAA violations for the Vols. 

Finally, after leaving Tennessee, Orgeron called early recruits at Tennessee, trying to recruit them to USC…after they were already technically enrolled at Tennessee. Had he forgotten the rules he had already learned after his own Tulane scandal? 

What's next? 

Ban this piece of dirt from college football. 


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LSU won a huge game, but the hot topic remains the condition of the Texas air conditioner


BATON ROUGE — Last Saturday, LSU beat its highest-ranked, non-conference opponent on the road in regular season history with a 45-38 victory at No. 9 Texas.

But the hot topic remains the condition of Texas' air conditioner amid 98-degree temperatures on the field during the game with 27% humidity.

LSU coach Ed Orgeron, whose team rose from No. 6 to No. 4 in the nation with the win, continued to be asked about the air conditioner caper on Wednesday on the Southeastern Conference teleconference. He was not asked about Northwestern State's current team that is 0-2 and plays at No. 4 LSU (2-0) at 6:30 p.m. Saturday in Tiger Stadium.

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LSU head coach Ed Orgeron during the first half of an NCAA college football game against Texas , Saturday, Sept. 7, 2019, in Austin, Texas. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)

LSU head coach Ed Orgeron during the first half of an NCAA college football game against Texas , Saturday, Sept. 7, 2019, in Austin, Texas. (AP Photo/Eric Gay) (Photo: Eric Gay, AP)


Orgeron said he was told by someone from Louisiana Tech that Texas did not have an air conditioner in the visitor's locker room, but he has not identified that hot source as of yet. Meanwhile, Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte and two other visiting coaches to Texas Memorial Stadium have said there are no issues with the air conditioner at Texas' visiting locker room, leaving Orgeron out in the cold, so to speak.


"The comment about the lack of air conditioning in our visiting locker room (by Orgeron) is the first we've heard of any issues in that area," Del Conte said Monday after Orgeron was the first to talk about not having air conditioning at Texas earlier that day.

"First of all, I called Louisiana Tech, and they told us about it," Orgeron said at his press conference on Monday. "So we did some things in the dressing room that were better. It wasn't great, but it was better. At least we had air in there. They didn't have air. We had some blowers in there."

Louisiana Tech coach Skip Holtz, whose team lost at Texas, 45-14, on Aug. 31 amid 93-degree temperatures and 40% humidity, did not bring up the locker room heat after his game.

"I don’t remember it being like a sauna, and I don’t remember it being cool," Holtz said on Tuesday on 97.7 FM in Monroe. Holtz also did not complain to Texas.


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Even the best air conditioners may not keep the temperature cool amid 100 football players. Meanwhile, there were no complaints of it being too hot in the media interview room, which is next to the visitor locker room and cooled by the same air-conditioning unit as the visitor locker room.

Holtz also said no one from LSU called him.

"I wasn't the one who talked to anybody in Baton Rouge," he said.

"I did not call Skip," Orgeron clarified Wednesday on the SEC teleconference. "I could've called him. But I did talk to somebody on the Louisiana Tech staff, and he said that they felt that it was very hot in there for them. So all I did was make sure that as a precautionary measure, we had air conditioners and blowers so we could have air conditioners and blowers going into the game. We put air conditioning and blowers. I don't know about air conditioning, but we definitely put blowers on the floors on Friday so we could have some ventilation."

That apparently worked overnight.

"And we kept the doors closed, so Saturday when we got there, it was fine," Orgeron said. "I mean, it was a little stuffy in there."

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Orgeron then altered what he said previously about no air.

"As far as whether an conditioner was on or not, I don't know," he said. "I was told there was none. So I took a precautionary measure of making sure the locker room was fine for us, and that's all we did."

Meanwhile, Texas Christian coach Gary Patterson, whose team regularly visits Texas, said the Horned Frogs have not had heat issues at Texas.

"We didn't have any problems," he said.

Orgeron was asked on the SEC teleconference if the air conditioner will be on in the visitor locker room at Tiger Stadium when Texas plays at LSU on Sept. 12, 2020, in Tiger Stadium.

"Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure," Orgeron said laughing. "We'll have a plan or two to make them as comfortable as they can possibly be."

Orgeron was asked if he and his training staff headed by Jack Marucci may have underestimated the heat at Texas in preparing for the game because of the intense heat and higher humidity in which LSU routinely practices and plays. It was 90 degrees during the Tigers' season opening, 55-3 win over Georgia Southern on Aug. 31.

Several LSU players warmed up during pre-game without shirts on.

"We were prepared for all of it as far as hydration," he said. "And as a coach, you don't want to go in there and tell your team, 'It's going to be hot,' so we're not going to do that. But we prepare for all conditions, which we were prepared. Jack and them were all prepared.

"We talked about IVs (intravenous fluids), but at halftime nobody needed IVs. And so, it just happened. I guess the thing we didn't plan on was us playing 93 plays on defense and having a 19-play drive. I think that had more to do with it than anything."

LSU wide receiver Justin Jefferson, center, and other LSU players warm up before an NCAA college football game against Texas, Saturday, Sept. 7, 2019, in Austin, Texas. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)

LSU wide receiver Justin Jefferson, center, and other LSU players warm up before an NCAA college football game against Texas, Saturday, Sept. 7, 2019, in Austin, Texas. (AP Photo/Eric Gay) (Photo: Eric Gay, AP)


Texas actually ran 85 plays with 50 of those in the second half when LSU defensive players continuously collapsed with heat cramps. The Longhorns kept LSU's defense on the field for 19 straight plays on an 86-yard touchdown drive that lasted seven minutes and 17 seconds and cut LSU's halftime lead to 20-14.

But that drive was after LSU's defense had rested during halftime and the Tigers' opening possession of the third quarter, albeit only one minute.

"I'm going to tell you, I didn't think it was that hot," Orgeron said. "Now, it was hot, but it was 27 percent humidity, where in Louisiana, as we all know, it's a lot higher. Whether that affected us or not, or what it had to do with it, I don't know, but I will say this to you, precautionary measures with the doctors' approvals, we will have IVs with some guys that have possible cramping."

Orgeron said he and his training staff did learn something from the Texas heat.

"The guys that were cramping did not have histories of cramping," he said, "so that was new for us."

LSU's training staff and players may have made a common mistake of those going from an environment of high humidity as in south Louisiana to a dry heat area such as Austin, Texas, writes Jack Young, a kinesiology professor at Nevada-Las Vegas.

"In a dry environment, our sweat evaporates quickly, allowing us to cool off — relatively speaking," he said in the Las Vegas Sun newspaper recently. "But there’s a danger with rapid evaporation in a dry environment. Because sweat doesn’t linger on our skin, we might not realize how much body fluid we are losing, putting us, again, at risk of dehydration."

This is what may have happened to the LSU players who cramped up without a history of that.

"We found out a little bit about our team," Orgeron said. "And next time there'll be a precautionary measure at halftime, I promise you.





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Good it has made the national news. This from SI.


Report: Texas Internal Report Determines Air Conditioning Worked vs. LSU

An internal report conducted by Texas found the air conditioning in LSU's locker room on Saturday was working properly, according to 247Sports' Chip Brown.

The Longhorns claim the temperature of LSU's locker room was 68 degrees at half time and rose to 74 degrees after the game, per Brown. 

LSU head coach Ed Orgeron claimed the Tigers did not have air conditioning in their 45-38 win in Austin at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium. He said LSU spoke to coaches at Louisiana Tech, who claimed the Longhorns withheld air conditioning in the two schools' Week 1 matchup. 

Orgeron and the Tigers reportedly brought "some blowers" on their road trip to combat the alleged lack of A/C. 

"The comment today about lack of air conditioning in our visiting locker room is the first we’ve heard of any issues in that area," Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte said in a statement. "We provide one of the best visitor setups available and are proud of the efforts we put forth in hosting our guests. Our facilities staff did not receive any complaints from either Louisiana Tech or LSU, and we’ve confirmed that our air conditioning in the visiting locker room is in good working order."

LSU advanced to 2–0 with its win over the Longhorns. Texas is now 1–1 prior to a matchup with Rice on Saturday at NRG Stadium in Houston. 



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The problem is when you get in the mud with the SEC you get crap all over you. We have to play LSU next year then Arkansas and Alabama.

Dealing with those fans will be a real treat. Although the Big O and the LSU fans set a high bar.



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