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12 minutes ago, Baron said:

If anyone cares the final was TCU 69-Texas 56 at the Erwin Center.

16-15 overall

8-10 in the Big 12

They will be one and done in the Big 12 Tourney, so 16-16, 8-11 when it's is all said and done.

Will they finally fire Smart? Or will we have to endure another shit show next year?

Well, we already have the thread ready if the shitshow continues:(

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8 minutes ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

Inside Texas and Orangebloods both think Shaka is back.. Too much $$$$ to fire him..

I think they're probably right. BMDs don't care enough about hoops to make an expensive change. It'll happen before the new gym opens, IMO.

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2 hours ago, dillohorn said:

Why sacrifice future seasons just to save $ ?  UT is filthy rich.

Because the athletic program is a business and football makes up the vast majority of the revenue. Put it this way: pretend you've got a company where you have two employees that are underperforming, and you're considering replacing them. You're a $20 million dollar company and it costs $1,200,000 to replace each employee, that seems manageable, right? Now imagine Employee A is responsible for $18 million of your revenue (with a net profit of a few mil) and Employee B is responsible for $2 million (with a net profit of nearly zero). Spending $1.2m to replace Employee A makes a lot more financial sense than Employee B, you're basically saying you'll toss out the majority of your yearly Employee B revenue and take however many years it will take to get back into the black just to let him/her go. Not a lot of businesses will go for that idea, they'd rather wait until the price is $900k, or $600k to make the move. That's basically the difference between Texas paying off coaches in football v basketball.

Now if you can find somebody to hire Employee B and get him/her off your books for substantially less than $1.2m, the math changes.

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1 hour ago, Bitterwhiteguy said:

Because the athletic program is a business and football makes up the vast majority of the revenue. Put it this way: pretend you've got a company where you have two employees that are underperforming, and you're considering replacing them. You're a $20 million dollar company and it costs $1,200,000 to replace each employee, that seems manageable, right? Now imagine Employee A is responsible for $18 million of your revenue (with a net profit of a few mil) and Employee B is responsible for $2 million (with a net profit of nearly zero). Spending $1.2m to replace Employee A makes a lot more financial sense than Employee B, you're basically saying you'll toss out the majority of your yearly Employee B revenue and take however many years it will take to get back into the black just to let him/her go. Not a lot of businesses will go for that idea, they'd rather wait until the price is $900k, or $600k to make the move. That's basically the difference between Texas paying off coaches in football v basketball.

Now if you can find somebody to hire Employee B and get him/her off your books for substantially less than $1.2m, the math changes.

Disagree. Fire the loser before absolutely nobody gives a crap about UT basketball.  It's already the mother of all dumpster fires.

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4 minutes ago, dillohorn said:

Disagree. Fire the loser before absolutely nobody gives a crap about UT basketball.  It's already the mother of all dumpster fires.

As someone who writes about Texas basketball and sees the page view counts, I can assure you nobody gives a crap about Texas basketball even when they're good. More people will click on a story about a 3-star OL commit than a game recap.

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9 minutes ago, Bitterwhiteguy said:

As someone who writes about Texas basketball and sees the page view counts, I can assure you nobody gives a crap about Texas basketball even when they're good. More people will click on a story about a 3-star OL commit than a game recap.

Yep, it has always been that way. I know Barnes used to come to football tailgates and practically beg fans to show up at basketball games.

Smart is staying because of the money owed to him if they do can him. Weird season, beat UNC, Kansas, Kansas St and Arkansas but lose to Radford, Providence (both at home) and okie lite. Roach being gone those last games didn't help either.

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58 minutes ago, Bitterwhiteguy said:

As someone who writes about Texas basketball and sees the page view counts, I can assure you nobody gives a crap about Texas basketball even when they're good. More people will click on a story about a 3-star OL commit than a game recap.

UT basketball was never a giant draw, but being a "shit show" certainly isn't going to improve the attendance. Might as well drop the program if coaching doesn't matter.

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2 hours ago, dillohorn said:

UT basketball was never a giant draw, but being a "shit show" certainly isn't going to improve the attendance. Might as well drop the program if coaching doesn't matter.

Nobody said coaching doesn't matter, but the economics of the situation do matter and they're a substantial (but not impossible) barrier to moving forward with someone else.

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Finger: Shaka Smart isn't going anywhere, yet

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Mike Finger March 9, 2019
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Texas head coach Shaka Smart signals to his players during the second half of an NCAA college basketball game against TCU, Saturday, March 9, 2019, in Austin, Texas. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
Photo: Eric Gay, Associated Press

AUSTIN – In the bleakest hallway of a dreary old building that someday soon will be razed out of its depressing existence, Shaka Smart looked like a man who could use some mercy, too.

He stood there and insisted his hopes and expectations for his program hadn't changed since the day he arrived at Texas, bright-eyed and invigorated, ready to take on the Big 12, if not the world. Those eyes looked heavier now, weighed down by four years of reality, and they betrayed a sense of disappointment he said was about one game but surely had to be about so much more.

"Obviously, we haven't had the results we wanted to have," Smart said after a long, painful pause. "And that's a huge part of the reason we're here."

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And the truth is he isn't going anywhere.

Smart's Longhorns lost again Saturday, saving perhaps their most uninspired performance of a frustrating regular season for a 69-56 drubbing by TCU at the Erwin Center. But barring his unlikely acceptance of some other program's offer of a parachute, he'll be back for at least one more season in UT's dreary home arena.

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There are several good reasons for this, and one of them is that Smart still has the ability to make this work. His Longhorns over the past four seasons have beaten enough good teams and shown enough promise for someone to squint and see a future in which the program finally takes a leap, as unlikely as that scenario seems on days like Saturday.

But the bigger factor is financial, and that one is immutable. Smart's contract is fully guaranteed for four more years and $12.9 million, and even the richest athletic department in the country cannot justify pouring that much money – plus whatever it would cost to buy out a new coach's deal from another school – into a program that UT's fan base always has treated as a passing distraction.

 

Think of it this way: For the sake of argument, let's say the Longhorns could go out and hire Bill Self, or Mike Krzyzewski, or Roy Williams this spring. People would be really excited, right? But basketball would still receive a fraction of the interest that football does at UT, and by next December the Erwin Center would still be less than half full, just like it was during Smart's honeymoon.

By all accounts, athletic director Chris Del Conte is sincere in his desire to win, but at a place like UT, he has to remain accountable to the bottom line. And unlike in football, the difference in revenue generated by a Top 10 basketball program and an NCAA tournament bubble team isn't big enough to justify what it would cost to make a change. UT is not going to pay more to buy out its basketball coach than the $10.4 million it paid to get rid of Charlie Strong.

Just like at other programs, UT fans want to believe their standards are higher than this, that they shouldn't have to settle for a team in danger of missing the tournament for the second time in four years under Smart. And they are absolutely justified in wanting more than this.

But look a little closer and you'll see that even if the Longhorns want their standard to be higher, it historically hasn't been. There have been blips of excellence – an entertaining quick stretch by Tom Penders in the mid-1990s and a run of genuine excellence by Rick Barnes from 2003-'08 – but those have been the exceptions.

 

Since there has been a round of 32 in the NCAA tournament, the Longhorns have made it only 18 of 44 times, including just twice in the last 10 years.

There is a temptation now to romanticize the entire Barnes era, and to argue the Longhorns erred in getting rid of a coach who has gone on to succeed at Tennessee, but people forget that his last seven years at UT were anything but joyous. He won only three NCAA tournament games in that stretch, never making it past the first weekend, and he needed a fresh start as much as the Longhorns did.

Smart was an obvious hire at that point, and for as much grief as former UT athletic director Steve Patterson gets for his tumultuous tenure, it was easy to look at Smart and see what he saw. Patterson's successor, Mike Perrin, saw it, too. He's the guy who added an extra guaranteed year to Smart's contract.

That coach – the one that led VCU to the Final Four and overachieved with Barnes' players in his first year at UT -- is still in there somewhere. Maybe he'll emerge again with the Longhorns. Maybe, like with Barnes, it will prove to be a situation in which everybody needs to start over.

 

But what remains perfectly clear is that Smart will get another chance if he wants it. He might lose freshman big man Jaxson Hayes to the NBA draft this offseason, but he has a talented core returning, and it would not be a shock to see him finally figure out how to harness the mojo of a team that beat North Carolina and Kansas this year into one that also can beat Radford and TCU.

If he can? Those bright eyes will return again.

If not? Well, even at this place, mercy comes eventually.

 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texas-sports-nation/college/article/Finger-Shaka-Smart-isn-t-going-anywhere-yet-13676479.php

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1 hour ago, primal defense said:

 

 

 

Finger: Shaka Smart isn't going anywhere, yet

Photo of Mike Finger
Mike Finger March 9, 2019

940x940.jpg

Texas head coach Shaka Smart signals to his players during the second half of an NCAA college basketball game against TCU, Saturday, March 9, 2019, in Austin, Texas. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
Photo: Eric Gay, Associated Press

AUSTIN – In the bleakest hallway of a dreary old building that someday soon will be razed out of its depressing existence, Shaka Smart looked like a man who could use some mercy, too.

He stood there and insisted his hopes and expectations for his program hadn't changed since the day he arrived at Texas, bright-eyed and invigorated, ready to take on the Big 12, if not the world. Those eyes looked heavier now, weighed down by four years of reality, and they betrayed a sense of disappointment he said was about one game but surely had to be about so much more.

"Obviously, we haven't had the results we wanted to have," Smart said after a long, painful pause. "And that's a huge part of the reason we're here."

  • Go beyond the breaking news and box scores with TXSN for just $29.95 annually.
 SUBSCRIBE

And the truth is he isn't going anywhere.

Smart's Longhorns lost again Saturday, saving perhaps their most uninspired performance of a frustrating regular season for a 69-56 drubbing by TCU at the Erwin Center. But barring his unlikely acceptance of some other program's offer of a parachute, he'll be back for at least one more season in UT's dreary home arena.

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There are several good reasons for this, and one of them is that Smart still has the ability to make this work. His Longhorns over the past four seasons have beaten enough good teams and shown enough promise for someone to squint and see a future in which the program finally takes a leap, as unlikely as that scenario seems on days like Saturday.

But the bigger factor is financial, and that one is immutable. Smart's contract is fully guaranteed for four more years and $12.9 million, and even the richest athletic department in the country cannot justify pouring that much money – plus whatever it would cost to buy out a new coach's deal from another school – into a program that UT's fan base always has treated as a passing distraction.

 

Think of it this way: For the sake of argument, let's say the Longhorns could go out and hire Bill Self, or Mike Krzyzewski, or Roy Williams this spring. People would be really excited, right? But basketball would still receive a fraction of the interest that football does at UT, and by next December the Erwin Center would still be less than half full, just like it was during Smart's honeymoon.

By all accounts, athletic director Chris Del Conte is sincere in his desire to win, but at a place like UT, he has to remain accountable to the bottom line. And unlike in football, the difference in revenue generated by a Top 10 basketball program and an NCAA tournament bubble team isn't big enough to justify what it would cost to make a change. UT is not going to pay more to buy out its basketball coach than the $10.4 million it paid to get rid of Charlie Strong.

Just like at other programs, UT fans want to believe their standards are higher than this, that they shouldn't have to settle for a team in danger of missing the tournament for the second time in four years under Smart. And they are absolutely justified in wanting more than this.

But look a little closer and you'll see that even if the Longhorns want their standard to be higher, it historically hasn't been. There have been blips of excellence – an entertaining quick stretch by Tom Penders in the mid-1990s and a run of genuine excellence by Rick Barnes from 2003-'08 – but those have been the exceptions.

 

Since there has been a round of 32 in the NCAA tournament, the Longhorns have made it only 18 of 44 times, including just twice in the last 10 years.

There is a temptation now to romanticize the entire Barnes era, and to argue the Longhorns erred in getting rid of a coach who has gone on to succeed at Tennessee, but people forget that his last seven years at UT were anything but joyous. He won only three NCAA tournament games in that stretch, never making it past the first weekend, and he needed a fresh start as much as the Longhorns did.

Smart was an obvious hire at that point, and for as much grief as former UT athletic director Steve Patterson gets for his tumultuous tenure, it was easy to look at Smart and see what he saw. Patterson's successor, Mike Perrin, saw it, too. He's the guy who added an extra guaranteed year to Smart's contract.

That coach – the one that led VCU to the Final Four and overachieved with Barnes' players in his first year at UT -- is still in there somewhere. Maybe he'll emerge again with the Longhorns. Maybe, like with Barnes, it will prove to be a situation in which everybody needs to start over.

 

But what remains perfectly clear is that Smart will get another chance if he wants it. He might lose freshman big man Jaxson Hayes to the NBA draft this offseason, but he has a talented core returning, and it would not be a shock to see him finally figure out how to harness the mojo of a team that beat North Carolina and Kansas this year into one that also can beat Radford and TCU.

If he can? Those bright eyes will return again.

If not? Well, even at this place, mercy comes eventually.

 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texas-sports-nation/college/article/Finger-Shaka-Smart-isn-t-going-anywhere-yet-13676479.php

Fire the guy.

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9 hours ago, Bitterwhiteguy said:

As someone who writes about Texas basketball and sees the page view counts, I can assure you nobody gives a crap about Texas basketball even when they're good. More people will click on a story about a 3-star OL commit than a game recap.

I care... I watch every game and keep up with it just as much as I do football...

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15 hours ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

I care... I watch every game and keep up with it just as much as I do football...

Ditto but we're unfortunately in the minority as far as the fan base goes. As I've said before, if this was football, he would be gone. But it's basketball, so here we are...sigh.

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If we are going to relegate ourselves to a certain degree of mediocrity and be content to maintain the status quo, then put some energy back into the Erwin Center by coming up with some things to energize our student base and get them out to all the home games.  Energize them to come early and in large numbers and to be loud and supportive of the program.  I am sure Del Conte can come up with some great incentives such as free admission to the first 2 or 3 thousand students to enter the arena for each game.  Move the blue hairs/grey hairs (of which I am one) and make a minimum of the first 10 rows around the arena are designated for current UT students only.  Since a buy out of several million dollars for Coach Smart is too much and basketball is not considered a high grossing revenue sport, let’s give something a try to try to energize and position the program to moving in a positive direction.  Just some thoughts, but am certain Del Conte can bring forth monumental ideas and solutions to advance Texas Basketball into a national contender.

 

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