The Big 12

[ridik01]

Hello all,

I've been thinking about the overall health of the Big 12 and how much we actually depend on Baylor making it to the championship game. it's been since 2009 that the big 12 was represented in the championship game and with the mass exodus of teams these last seasons we're looking weaker than ever.

What I've pulled from the last two years of big 12 conference play; losing A&M, Mizzou, and Nebraska, hurt us and hurt us bad! Their massive fan bases and team loyalty is severely hurting us at this point. Our additions of TCU and WVU weren't bad, but not great either. Each team is showing they cannot contend in major conferences that require large games each week, I think the travel time alone is killing WVU. TCU's tiny fanbase was like adding a smaller Baylor, it cannot see TCU every contributing to the health of the Big 12, I think they will forever bring us down.

In Hines sight were staying afloat but taking on water and hopefully we can right the ship before it completely sinks. Baylor has a chance to represent the big 12 this year and bring us back to the top, Alabama looks lackluster and it seems the stars are aligning for Baylor to win it all if they stay undefeated. We will also be the conference to dethrone the SEC from 7 consecutive championships!

Where to go this offseason: We should add UCF and Cincy, yup you heard it. It's our only chance to stay alive IMO, all conferences except the SEC are stuck in a lengthy expensive GOR contract that is practically impossible to break. We need to start adding schools in the Eastern U.S. to attract the bigger schools like Fl. St., VT, Clemson, etc... If anything happens to the ACC, we want the big 12 to be the first place these schools go to in the case of an emergency.

I think the ACC is headed in the totally wrong direction for Fl. St. and Clemson. Each of these teams are big football schools and the ACC is adding a majority of BBall schools, I think after this season Florida state and Clemson may be seeking refuge in a football first conference. And we all know if Florida state leaves, many of the football schools will follow suit, especially Miami.

Finally, to completely fix this conference we must do the unspeakable. We must disband the LHN and try to create a Big 12 network with it, big time schools don't want to mess around with the LHN, and I believe it is the #1 deterrence of teams wanting to come into the Big 12. Also, we need to fire Mack Brown and get back to the top ASAP, it seems whenever Texas is down OU doesn't do great, which directly represents the conference.

How I want the Big 12 to look like

West

-Texas

-OU

-TTech

-Okstate

-Baylor

-Kansas

-Kansas state

-Iowa state

East

-WVU

-Florida State

-Cincy

-UCF

-VT

-Miami

-Clemson

-open

Yeh, I want TCU gone and sent back to the MWC...sorry.

The open slot can be filled with miscellaneous teams, or we can put the kansas teams in the Eastern division.

 

[ridik01]

We're only as strong as the conference we're in!

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

The current make up/state of the Big 12 is awful

 

[Chitownhorn]

I agree that the current state of the B 12 is laughable but is Cincy & UCF really an upgrade from TCU? In basketball I could make the argument that Cincy is a big upgrade and UCF is a wash at best but I think TCU has a overall better football program than either one of those schools. JMO

 

[ridik01]

I agree that the current state of the B 12 is laughable but is Cincy & UCF really an upgrade from TCU? In basketball I could make the argument that Cincy is a big upgrade and UCF is a wash at best but I think TCU has a overall better football program than either one of those schools. JMO

I agree, but we need to get back to 12 regardless right now. We need a championship game again to be taken seriously again. UCF is a sleeping giant in waiting, 50k+ students, fertile recruiting area in Florida, and a large alumni base. Cincy is just Cincy, they can be the Kansas of the Eastern division.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

I expect the entire landscape of CFB to blow up in the future. I could see 4 super conferences..

 

[TheContractor]

Nice dream conference you have there but there is a GOR in place for the Big12 and Acc, both for at least 10+ years.

unless there is a break from NCAA, doesnt look feasible. We cant sit around in the Big12 that long. adding UCF and Cincy look probable but doesn't change that we are one of the worst conferences top to bottom.

I think Ok St deserved to be in title game after 2011 and would have beaten Lsu, and again this year I think Bu could beat any of the top 3(though not as sure as Ok St >Lsu).

 

[ridik01]

It is a dream conference and I have done tons of research into the GOR for each conference. We can't stay at 10 regardless, our best chance is for an internal ACC implosion like I said from Florida state.

Florida state is running the tables in the ACC, but they're beating nobodies.

 

[ridik01]

I don't foresee Florida state and Clemson being okay in the ACC for much longer!

 

[Irish in SEC country]

Hello all,I've been thinking about the overall health of the Big 12 and how much we actually depend on Baylor making it to the championship game. it's been since 2009 that the big 12 was represented in the championship game and with the mass exodus of teams these last seasons we're looking weaker than ever.

What I've pulled from the last two years of big 12 conference play; losing A&M, Mizzou, and Nebraska, hurt us and hurt us bad! Their massive fan bases and team loyalty is severely hurting us at this point. Our additions of TCU and WVU weren't bad, but not great either. Each team is showing they cannot contend in major conferences that require large games each week, I think the travel time alone is killing WVU. TCU's tiny fanbase was like adding a smaller Baylor, it cannot see TCU every contributing to the health of the Big 12, I think they will forever bring us down.

In Hines sight were staying afloat but taking on water and hopefully we can right the ship before it completely sinks. Baylor has a chance to represent the big 12 this year and bring us back to the top, Alabama looks lackluster and it seems the stars are aligning for Baylor to win it all if they stay undefeated. We will also be the conference to dethrone the SEC from 7 consecutive championships!

Where to go this offseason: We should add UCF and Cincy, yup you heard it. It's our only chance to stay alive IMO, all conferences except the SEC are stuck in a lengthy expensive GOR contract that is practically impossible to break. We need to start adding schools in the Eastern U.S. to attract the bigger schools like Fl. St., VT, Clemson, etc... If anything happens to the ACC, we want the big 12 to be the first place these schools go to in the case of an emergency.

I think the ACC is headed in the totally wrong direction for Fl. St. and Clemson. Each of these teams are big football schools and the ACC is adding a majority of BBall schools, I think after this season Florida state and Clemson may be seeking refuge in a football first conference. And we all know if Florida state leaves, many of the football schools will follow suit, especially Miami.

Finally, to completely fix this conference we must do the unspeakable. We must disband the LHN and try to create a Big 12 network with it, big time schools don't want to mess around with the LHN, and I believe it is the #1 deterrence of teams wanting to come into the Big 12. Also, we need to fire Mack Brown and get back to the top ASAP, it seems whenever Texas is down OU doesn't do great, which directly represents the conference.

How I want the Big 12 to look like

West

-Texas

-OU

-TTech

-Okstate

-Baylor

-Kansas

-Kansas state

-Iowa state

East

-WVU

-Florida State

-Cincy

-UCF

-VT

-Miami

-Clemson

-open

Yeh, I want TCU gone and sent back to the MWC...sorry.

The open slot can be filled with miscellaneous teams, or we can put the kansas teams in the Eastern division.

Goodness. Do you really think that Florida State is going to leave the ACC it can and should now dominate in football to play out on the windy prairie? Do you really think FSU is going to give up having ties to ND as well as to all the other elite schools in the ACC to pair up WVU and UCF? Do you think that small private school Miami, which has its largest TV fan base regionally in the northeast would give up the northeast a relationship with ND to save the Big 12? You really think Clemson is going to leave the ACC to become best buds with WVU?

That's almost like dreaming about how Arkansas is ready to bolt the SEC for the Big 12, which will mean Mizzou, LSU, and the Aggies will all beg to become Big 12ers.

The Big 12 might expand to 12. BYU is a real option, as are Cincy, UCF and USF, possibly Memphis. But the Big 12 is not going to add any school from the ACC.

Well, there is 1 way: if ND decides to join the Big Ten, say with Virginia, North Carolina, and Duke, then the rest of the ACC would be open, But in that scenario, the SEC almost certainly would take FSU and either Clemson or Virginia Tech.

But ND would much rather make its half membership in ACC football full than to make any other move. So there is no chance of any movement from the ACC.

What is possible is Texas joining the ACC as we have.

 

[Nakona Horn]

Goodness. Do you really think that Florida State is going to leave the ACC it can and should now dominate in football to play out on the windy prairie? Do you really think FSU is going to give up having ties to ND as well as to all the other elite schools in the ACC to pair up WVU and UCF? Do you think that small private school Miami, which has its largest TV fan base regionally in the northeast would give up the northeast a relationship with ND to save the Big 12? You really think Clemson is going to leave the ACC to become best buds with WVU?
That's almost like dreaming about how Arkansas is ready to bolt the SEC for the Big 12, which will mean Mizzou, LSU, and the Aggies will all beg to become Big 12ers.

The Big 12 might expand to 12. BYU is a real option, as are Cincy, UCF and USF, possibly Memphis. But the Big 12 is not going to add any school from the ACC.

Well, there is 1 way: if ND decides to join the Big Ten, say with Virginia, North Carolina, and Duke, then the rest of the ACC would be open, But in that scenario, the SEC almost certainly would take FSU and either Clemson or Virginia Tech.

But ND would much rather make its half membership in ACC football full than to make any other move. So there is no chance of any movement from the ACC.

What is possible is Texas joining the ACC as we have.

This x1000.

 

[ATX89]

I tend to think going Independent or following up on Randolph Duke's intel that may offer some outs on the GOR so we can join a stronger existing conference.

 

[Brasky]

Adding crappy teams to the Big 12 only makes the Big 12 crappier. If we're not adding legitimate schools with at least a few hundred fans then no thanks.

We are screwed. We need out. Take OU and go. Or blow up Big 12 and start it over without several current members.

 

[Black Scholes]

I don't want to be a part of any conference that would include Cincinnati or UCF. If you step back you should recognize what an absurd conversation this is.

The B12 could die tomorrow and I wouldn't miss it at all.

 

[hjnevarez]

I agree with almost all of your comments except getting rid of the LHN. My alma matter paid a lot of money and put a lot of effort into getting it. It too will payoff huge as the network is available all across the land. I believe it will be third to ESPN and Fox Sports. It will help Texas's recruiting as players will want to be seen on one if these three networks. Why should we share it with the rest of the conference? Do you really think Bob Stoops would be open to sharing anything with Texas. Yeah right, when hell freezes. Or Boone Pickens and OSU for that matter. They are envious and in some instances down right jealous that they don't have it. Because they know it will begin to pay off for us. The women's and men's basketball, volleyball, swimming and other sports are already enjoying it's success. It will spread and help Texas keep a lot of it's own talent in state and coming to UT. Nice try, but you won't find many Texans agreeing on that point.

 

[Jyoung185]

I would much rather go independent. In a discussion with my buddy, we started putting together our schedule and here are some of the things we thought could happen.

-Keep regular games with OU, Tech and OSU

- Add back thanksgiving game with the Ags.

- Start a regular game with Notre Dame

- Restart the series with Arkansas. I know some MMD over there who miss the game with us as well.

- Try and start a regular series with LSU. Could either do a home and home or do a neutral field site in Houston. This would allow us to really lock down the Houston area with recruiting.

-Find other attractive big games to play with schools from any of the big conferences and mix in some games with Rice, UTEP, SMU, etc. to give us a few easy wins.

That would make our annual schedule:

Texas Tech

Oklahoma St.

Oklahoma (in Dallas)

A&M on Turkey day

Notre Dame

Arkansas

LSU (potentially in Houston)

Most programs are going to want to play a game with Texas if asked. We would bring money to any school that schedules us because we would put fans in the seats. Why not take advantage of our name and prestige.

 

[TheContractor]

Goodness. Do you really think that Florida State is going to leave the ACC it can and should now dominate in football to play out on the windy prairie? Do you really think FSU is going to give up having ties to ND as well as to all the other elite schools in the ACC to pair up WVU and UCF? Do you think that small private school Miami, which has its largest TV fan base regionally in the northeast would give up the northeast a relationship with ND to save the Big 12? You really think Clemson is going to leave the ACC to become best buds with WVU?
That's almost like dreaming about how Arkansas is ready to bolt the SEC for the Big 12, which will mean Mizzou, LSU, and the Aggies will all beg to become Big 12ers.

The Big 12 might expand to 12. BYU is a real option, as are Cincy, UCF and USF, possibly Memphis. But the Big 12 is not going to add any school from the ACC.

Well, there is 1 way: if ND decides to join the Big Ten, say with Virginia, North Carolina, and Duke, then the rest of the ACC would be open, But in that scenario, the SEC almost certainly would take FSU and either Clemson or Virginia Tech.

But ND would much rather make its half membership in ACC football full than to make any other move. So there is no chance of any movement from the ACC.

What is possible is Texas joining the ACC as we have.

Agree with some of this but not all.

Fsu and Clemson don't go to sec bc of UF and USC east, veto power.

Big 12 is most likely conf to implode, thanks Deloss.

We will be forced to add 2 crappy teams, take ur pick and someone might get screwed out of a title(like 2008 & 2011 & maybe 2013).

2crappy teams = a crappier big 12 = demise at some point.

 

[ridik01]

Goodness. Do you really think that Florida State is going to leave the ACC it can and should now dominate in football to play out on the windy prairie? Do you really think FSU is going to give up having ties to ND as well as to all the other elite schools in the ACC to pair up WVU and UCF? Do you think that small private school Miami, which has its largest TV fan base regionally in the northeast would give up the northeast a relationship with ND to save the Big 12? You really think Clemson is going to leave the ACC to become best buds with WVU?
That's almost like dreaming about how Arkansas is ready to bolt the SEC for the Big 12, which will mean Mizzou, LSU, and the Aggies will all beg to become Big 12ers.

The Big 12 might expand to 12. BYU is a real option, as are Cincy, UCF and USF, possibly Memphis. But the Big 12 is not going to add any school from the ACC.

Well, there is 1 way: if ND decides to join the Big Ten, say with Virginia, North Carolina, and Duke, then the rest of the ACC would be open, But in that scenario, the SEC almost certainly would take FSU and either Clemson or Virginia Tech.

But ND would much rather make its half membership in ACC football full than to make any other move. So there is no chance of any movement from the ACC.

What is possible is Texas joining the ACC as we have.

Oh man, I struck a cord with an ACC homer!

Dude the ACC is pitiful at football and it's clear that the ACC is heading more towards BBall first schools. How do you think Florida state is going to fair in the new 4 team playoff system playing against horrible opponents in the ACC? Florida state and Clemson rely on one big game a year, the game against one another. Other than that they're screwed when it comes to rankings.

Your name is Irish in SEC country, which means you're a ND fan....but don't talk up the ACC to something it's not!

What's best for Florida state and Clemson is to go to a conference that ranks Football first.

 

[ridik01]

Clearly you don't know too much about conference realignment. The SeC has a clause that does not allow any other Florida team, also Florida owns a veto power that could veto FSU from joining.