More evidence the Big Big 12/ UT is getting further behind

[TheContractor]

The big 12 won't be disbanded because of Texas' governmental issues. The state generates too much money off of football games to allow TTech, Baylor, and TCU to go to a terrible traveling fan MWC. Us leaving the big 12 also potentially destroys the RRR = tons of money for the state in taxes.
Texas needs to try it's hardest to disband the LHN and find some new teams to fill the gap.

All major conferences have GOR's, which means those teams are off limits. So we're stuck into getting sub-par programs or builder programs. UCF is a potential powerhouse and actually brings a lot to the table, honestly I think they should rename themselves back to Florida Tech though....

I dont think we can get out of GOR but I dont see how anything ruins the RRR. We can be in a conference with Ou or not, we will still play them in Dallas in October.

I would like to go to a conf where we can bring a few friends with us and have our own division and to me thats Acc or Pac.

 

[ridik01]

I dont think we can get out of GOR but I dont see how anything ruins the RRR. We can be in a conference with Ou or not, we will still play them in Dallas in October. I would like to go to a conf where we can bring a few friends with us and have our own division and to me thats Acc or Pac.

The big 12 has better Football programs than the ACC. The ACC has FSU and that's it....

The rest of the football programs in the ACClive off of prior fame and championships!

 

[joebobb]

ACC is beyond a joke of a football conference. Always has been a joke. FSU is the only power. Look at the last couple teams who have joined.

PITT, Syracuse, and Louisville.

- Louisville wont even win the American in a year where they are supposed to be loaded.

- If all the speed and talent are in the South (which is the knock on the BIG) why did the ACC add 2 traditional northern "powers". Neither has done anything in football since the 80's. Which for everyone who says the ACC is better than the BIG because of the "rust Belt" perception, the ACC has quite a few rust belt schools.

In 2004 - Miami, VA Tech, Boston College

- Miami had quite a run in the 80's to-2002 but the rest of the SEC and Florida schools have caught up to it. That talent is not staying in Maimi alone anymore, it is being spread out amongst the teams in the South who are traditional powers. They are going to FL, FSU, Bama, Aub, UGA, USC. They do not go to Wake, UNC, etc. Miami's glory days have past.

- VA Tech - for a program that was talking about disbanding football as late as 1990, they have had a good decade from 1996-2010. Not great or anything but periods of good football. They have not done much. Probably more to do with Beamer being past his time. They are probably the school with the most potential in the ACC going forward which does not say much.

- Boston College - Has not done anything since Flutie and even then, they have not done anything in football.

So again, why on earth do people want the ACC?

 

[Irish in SEC country]

ACC is beyond a joke of a football conference. Always has been a joke. FSU is the only power. Look at the last couple teams who have joined. PITT, Syracuse, and Louisville.

- Louisville wont even win the American in a year where they are supposed to be loaded.

- If all the speed and talent are in the South (which is the knock on the BIG) why did the ACC add 2 traditional northern "powers". Neither has done anything in football since the 80's. Which for everyone who says the ACC is better than the BIG because of the "rust Belt" perception, the ACC has quite a few rust belt schools.

In 2004 - Miami, VA Tech, Boston College

- Miami had quite a run in the 80's to-2002 but the rest of the SEC and Florida schools have caught up to it. That talent is not staying in Maimi alone anymore, it is being spread out amongst the teams in the South who are traditional powers. They are going to FL, FSU, Bama, Aub, UGA, USC. They do not go to Wake, UNC, etc. Miami's glory days have past.

- VA Tech - for a program that was talking about disbanding football as late as 1990, they have had a good decade from 1996-2010. Not great or anything but periods of good football. They have not done much. Probably more to do with Beamer being past his time. They are probably the school with the most potential in the ACC going forward which does not say much.

- Boston College - Has not done anything since Flutie and even then, they have not done anything in football.

So again, why on earth do people want the ACC?

I'm trying to figure out if you are as ignorant as you sound, or if you are so filled with Big Ten love from days in OH that you now would bash the ACC to the end of the earth.

And yes, bashing the ACC is now a Big Ten requirement, because of the Irish. The Big Ten is as it has been since Rockne - terrified of ND. ND exposes the Big Ten for what it is, a bloated mess. So ND landing in the ACC must be bashed so Big Ten fans can feel confident that ND now with direct access to southern recruits won't do even more damage to slow, boring, Big Ten football.

Virginia Tech was going to drop football in 1990? Does even the average Big Ten fan who is utterly ignorant of most things believe such nonsense?

Here is reality. Over the past 40 years, Big Ten teams have won 2 national titles in football. Two. Total. In 40 years. The ACC you think is so weak has won 4 in the same time span. Both are poor compared to the SEC, but the ACC doubles the national titles the Big Ten has managed.

When Big Ten football doubles the number of national titles that the ACC has over the past 40 years, then Big Ten fans can wax eloquently about its superiority. Until then, such talk is just more Big Ten hot air.

Miami's better days are past? Well, that might mean only that over the next 40 years, Miami only doubles the number of national titles the Big Ten wins. Over the past 40, that score is Miami 5 and Big Ten 2.

But here is more to the point. The better days of Meatchicken, Nebraska, and Penn State are all behind them. And unlike Miami, none of them have great local talent in the back door of the campus. There is at least as much talent within an hour's drive of the Miami campus as there is in the states MI, NE and PA combined. Any good coach at Miami is going to get his share. That's a major reason Big Ten teams manage to avoid scheduling Miami.

Blowhio State'sa better days are not behind it, but that is because it is as dirty as any SEC program. But other than dirty buckeyes, who will lift up the quality of Big Ten football with Meatchicken, Nebraska and Penn State all beyond their better days? Which Big Ten schools will improve so much that the Big Ten can win as many national titles over the next 40 years as the ACC has the past 40? How about Minnesota? Purdue? Indiana? Northwestern? Illinois? Rutgers? Maryland?

As to why the ACC would add Pitt and Syracuse, and BC before those 2. Well, that's easy. The University of Notre Dame. If you want to get the Irish on board with you, you need to add schools that will make ND feel at home.

I'm going to tell you and this board again what will happen from ND football with a half membership in the ACC. First, ND is going to be able to recruit top talent from southern states even better than it can now. That and the regular games against the southern teams in the ACC will better prepare Irish teams to face SEC teams in the post season. We will win our next national title before anyone in the Big Ten, except maybe Blowhio State, does.

Second, ACC teams will use the regular games against ND to help their recruiting. Florida State obviously has no such need, but the rest do, not to catch up top the Big Ten but to cut the gap with the SEC. The result will be more talent across the ACC.

Notre Dame is easily the biggest name in college football. It is the only school in the country that is worth Texas leaving behind its southwestern based conference. Not SC, not Alabama, not Meatchicken, not Blowhio State.

 

[ridik01]

I don't care about either Conference IMO, each conference lives off of prior glory and hasn't won a championship in literally years(2002 and 2001). As much as I would like to see Miami succeed they're done for a very long time. UCF is emerging as a powerhouse in Florida and may slip into that #3 spot in the state of Florida, not to mention Miami is a tiny school and UCF has 50k students.

-VT is a mediocre to good occasionally school at best, they have their years and then drop off the side of the earth.

-Ga. Tech, lives off the past, they're not what they used to be.

-Clemson is much like VT, they have their years and then fall off....they always find a way to lose games that matter.

-FSU - the only real powerhouse in the entire conference, it has stood the test of time and shown that it can compete with the big dogs.

If Texas did move to the ACC, we would play the majority of our games in the Eastern hemisphere....thus airing our game earlier in the day, this could hurt T.V. ratings.

Travel time would affect us greatly and most ACC schools do not have fans that travel well! Could you see Duke squaring off against Texas? LMFAO!!!! They would bring like 3 people to the game in Austin.

The Notre Dame thing, I agree ND is a very important school in College football, but ND has not won a championship since 1988...I was -2 then. Recruits honestly don't care about championships won before their generation, I don't care about a championship won in the 1970s nor the 1920s. Notre Dame is teetering on the fact that they are legends in college football, but can't show it in this day and age.

Texas would lose too much going to the ACC, they would have one major match-up vs. ND or FSU per year...which we could probably talk ND into scheduling without being in the ACC anyway.

 

[TexasFirst1]

I don't care about either Conference IMO, each conference lives off of prior glory and hasn't won a championship in literally years(2002 and 2001). As much as I would like to see Miami succeed they're done for a very long time. UCF is emerging as a powerhouse in Florida and may slip into that #3 spot in the state of Florida, not to mention Miami is a tiny school and UCF has 50k students.
-VT is a mediocre to good occasionally school at best, they have their years and then drop off the side of the earth.

-Ga. Tech, lives off the past, they're not what they used to be.

-Clemson is much like VT, they have their years and then fall off....they always find a way to lose games that matter.

-FSU - the only real powerhouse in the entire conference, it has stood the test of time and shown that it can compete with the big dogs.

If Texas did move to the ACC, we would play the majority of our games in the Eastern hemisphere....thus airing our game earlier in the day, this could hurt T.V. ratings.

Travel time would affect us greatly and most ACC schools do not have fans that travel well! Could you see Duke squaring off against Texas? LMFAO!!!! They would bring like 3 people to the game in Austin.

The Notre Dame thing, I agree ND is a very important school in College football, but ND has not won a championship since 1988...I was -2 then. Recruits honestly don't care about championships won before their generation, I don't care about a championship won in the 1970s nor the 1920s. Notre Dame is teetering on the fact that they are legends in college football, but can't show it in this day and age.

Texas would lose too much going to the ACC, they would have one major match-up vs. ND or FSU per year...which we could probably talk ND into scheduling without being in the ACC anyway.

Eastern hemisphere? LOL I would love to replace aggy with FSU as an annual rival game.

 

[NLeininger]

Playing games on FS1 is not helping either. Most of the Ag games were on on CBS Saturday afternoons, no?

They had 3 CBS 2:30 games, and lost all 3. The 1st 2 were exciting the last was a blow-out. I doubt aggy gets 3 CBS games next year as they are not going to be good.

 

[beevomav]

Plus before the LHN, some of the UT games were on pay per view. Just saying..

 

[joebobb]

Irish, you need to take your ND goggles off and look at things objectively. You pick and choose the facts and you choose weak ones at that. You need to go back 40 years to show the ACC has 3 NC's to the BIG 2. BFD. That is not much different than going back over 80 years and comparing the conferences then too. Point is you can only really compare future success based on history over the BCS era.

In regards to the Va Tech point, go back and check, before Beamer there was serious talk about disbanding the program, this was in the 1980's. VA Tech was a horrible team back then. They were able to right the ship. Before you accuse me of smoking crack, check your sources.

Fact is the BIG is not the premier conference in the country, the SEC is. FACT IS, The ACC is WORSE than the BIG. No matter which way you spin it, that is the objective FACT. So if you take your irish colored glasses off and look at things objectively, you will begin to see. This is not about ND not going to the BIG, ND did what is best for them, and they got a sweet heart deal to the ACC that allows them to be independent in football. Plus culturally, they are a better fit for the ACC than Texas would ever be.

Yes, I do not like the ACC because it is a boring pathetic conference and if you look at the teams objectively, most people on this board will agree. Yes, I do like the BIG but I am willing to admit that the BIG has its flaws and is not the SEC. I wish you were willing to do the same of the ACC and see the many flaws that exist there.

Also, I am willing to concede that FSU is a quality program in the ACC but the rest of the conference is a joke. FSU is not an ACC school, they just happen to park their teams there. It speaks to the quality of the conference when FSU barely even lost a conference game their entire first decade in the ACC. Good conferences have parity, See the SEC as example 1

 

[Irish in SEC country]

Irish, you need to take your ND goggles off and look at things objectively. You pick and choose the facts and you choose weak ones at that. You need to go back 40 years to show the ACC has 3 NC's to the BIG 2. BFD. That is not much different than going back over 80 years and comparing the conferences then too. Point is you can only really compare future success based on history over the BCS era.
In regards to the Va Tech point, go back and check, before Beamer there was serious talk about disbanding the program, this was in the 1980's. VA Tech was a horrible team back then. They were able to right the ship. Before you accuse me of smoking crack, check your sources.

Fact is the BIG is not the premier conference in the country, the SEC is. FACT IS, The ACC is WORSE than the BIG. No matter which way you spin it, that is the objective FACT. So if you take your irish colored glasses off and look at things objectively, you will begin to see. This is not about ND not going to the BIG, ND did what is best for them, and they got a sweet heart deal to the ACC that allows them to be independent in football. Plus culturally, they are a better fit for the ACC than Texas would ever be.

Yes, I do not like the ACC because it is a boring pathetic conference and if you look at the teams objectively, most people on this board will agree. Yes, I do like the BIG but I am willing to admit that the BIG has its flaws and is not the SEC. I wish you were willing to do the same of the ACC and see the many flaws that exist there.

Also, I am willing to concede that FSU is a quality program in the ACC but the rest of the conference is a joke. FSU is not an ACC school, they just happen to park their teams there. It speaks to the quality of the conference when FSU barely even lost a conference game their entire first decade in the ACC. Good conferences have parity, See the SEC as example 1

1981 - Clemson; 1990 - Georgia Tech; 1993 and 1999 - Florida State. The ACC has double the number of national titles that the mighty Big Ten has won since the 1970s, when our era began. If Big Ten football were as good as you say and ACC football were half as weak as you claim, then the Big Ten would have tripled or even quadrupled the ACC.

But the ACC has doubled the Big Ten.

So is that parity you speak about a reason for you to see the Big Ten as rich junk? After all, Blowhio State has just swept the Bloated Ten in back to back years.

Everything for the Big Ten is about ND.

As for Virginia Tech, Bill Dooley's last team was 1986, and the Hokies won the Peach Bowl and finished with 9 wins. Dooley had something like 7 straight winning seasons there to close his tenure. So you are telling me that a school that always has had a decidedly larger football fan base than a basketball fan base and that had 9 wins in 1986 was talking about disbanding football because Dooley left and Beamer had a couple of losing teams before he hit his stride? I think only a Big Ten fan could be so out of touch.

ND football is going to benefit nicely from half membership in the ACC, and the 14 ACC football schools are going to benefit from ND being on the schedule regularly. The result is that ACC football will improve while Big Ten football stays slow and boring.

Some things are so essential they need to be repeated endlessly. ND is the only football program big enough to justify Texas leaving a southwestern based conference. Texas pairing with ND is the only football rivalry worth making the change.

Want to add sports? In basketball, the only reason for Texas to leave a southwestern based conference is to be part of the ACC tournament and to take on the Duke-North Carolina rivalry.

 

[HornSolo]

Thanks Irish, seeing things a different way is never a bad thing...IrishNews ....you report we decide.

 

[Irish in SEC country]

TV numbers for this college football season.

SEC way ahead. Bloated Ten, with all those gigantic flagships schools, second. ACC third, even with all the private schools that have no fans, as the resident Big Ten fan keeps saying.

The top 3 are just like last year. The change this year is that the Pac has slipped ahead of the Big 12.

So the Pac has its best season, top to bottom, in a long time, and still cannot top the ACC.

Here is the big question? Once ND starts playing 5 ACC games per year, how much bigger do the ACC numbers get?

 

[joebobb]

Irish - thank you for pointing out the obvious point yet again. THE ACC is, and WILL ALWAYS BE, Behind the SEC and BIG. With that in mind, why do you want to be playing in a lesser league??

As Jack Welch once said about GE, which is common practice for large businesses now. - If you cannot be #1 or #2 in your business line, then you get out of that business. GE got rid of profitable businesses where they could not dominate the market because it was not worth allocating the resources there.

You can apply the same principle to the ACC. Texas is equivalent to GE. Texas is the best, deserves the best. No matter which way you slice it, the ACC is not the best, nor even competitive. I am not saying the BIG is the answer, I prefer the SEC. But hell I would even take the PAC over the ACC.

 

[joebobb]

Irish - Again you move the goal post on the Natl Championships.

1) Ga Tech was a split NC and did not win the AP National Champion (the main Natl Championship trophy at the time) Plus they won because they were undefeated by playing a weak ACC schedule. They played and won a minor bowl that year on their quest. While they have a Natl Championship, most people would hold that as a lower Natl Championship and they were far from consensus.

2) 1993 FSU - 2nd year in the league and they were dominating prior to that. Much less to do with the ACC (in fact they benefitted by a weak ACC in their quest to go undefeated) than the fact they were a dominant program prior to joining the ACC. In fact you could argue that FSU would not have gone through their down years if it were not for the fact the ACC pulled them down to mediocrity. I don't count the FSU 1993 NC it is akin to counting Miami's NC as part of the ACC total.

3) Irish - just like you get on me for showing BIG favoritism, your ND favoritism clouds your judgment. ND is not the program they were 20 years ago. While the BIG wanted ND, the fact they are in the ACC in all sports but football does not mean much to the BIG. They would not give ND the sweetheart deal the ACC gave. Neither would the SEC or PAC or any other REAL conference. Without their football in the ACC, they don't move the needle much. That is why Texas really does not benefit joining the ACC and they don't bring too much too the ACC because they are not "all in"

4) If you want to talk ACC basketball, while it is a good league, The BIG has been superior to it over the last 5-10 years. In fact many experts would call the BIG the top conference in the country. But The ACC is improved this year and with their additions, can challenge the BIG in basketball.